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DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

https://x.com/counterfetts/status/1762881114144637118?s=20

smdh

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DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

gradenko_2000 posted:

What? Two and a Half Men is a lot better than HIMYM

Hard disagre

Maybe because I’m a weepy Millennial who remembers what it was like to lose touch with people after our wedding, or when your roommate gets married and moves out, or any of the other stuff the show seemed to really understand

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L-VITIsGZnA&pp=ygUYaGlteW0gdmljdG9yaWEgdGhlIGtpbmtz

That said, I agree with Remember Shuffle that Ted isn’t romantic, he’s running through the women of NYC ruining their lives to fill a hole in his heart, and a lot of those women getting shafted is too much of a punchline

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DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Didn't Denise Richards pose nude for a major magazine when she was like 15?

e: and that German band that was huge when the Berlin Wall fell had a naked girl on the cover of one of their albums.

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Also, they let women inherit now and the Prince of Wales already has two boys. Then there’s Harry’s son Archie.

Besides, the rightful king is Duke Franz von Bayern. He’s a homosexual, so his heir would be Prince Max Emanuel Herzog in Bayern, who would likely abdicate in favour of his daughter Sophie, Hereditary Princess of Liechtenstein, Countess of Rietberg.

🌱 Revirescit

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Mola Yam posted:

there are no rightful kings

You just haven’t been white rose pilled yet.

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Doktor Avalanche posted:

of course you know all this just off the top of your head

You don't get invited into the Order of the White Rose for nothing. Duh.

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

The Marchioness of Cholmondeley

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Are the Yanks ITT familiar with the Mayerling Incident? It seems like it would fit in with this thread. That, and the Nepalese Royal Massacre of 2001.

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71jotKI-hlc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-Ps_XVPfTM

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Regarde Aduck posted:

The West is undergoing a slow but constant collapse. Everything is going to feel weird and lovely until a reckoning, which very powerful forces will seek to delay as long as possible.

When I think of other examples of a possibly dead member of the royal family being said to drive somewhere in a carriage, the Hapsburgs in 1900, the Qing dynasty, I think the late Han, the Incas right before Pizarro arrived, I think of things going really well.

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Hardbodied socialist asceticism and temperance would rule and I’m all for it, but it’s a big leap for a population that thought Methodism was so restrictive and stifling of their individuality they ran away to Haight-Ashbury to indulge themselves for a decade and fell into the CIA’s grasp.

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

just to differentiate my own stance here. The whole reason for the temperance movement was because people realized that alcohol was a social poison, mostly affecting the working class, that was preventing them from organizing against the cause of their problems. Capitalism was causing misery, alcohol was used to alleviate the symptoms but made things much worse.

People have this idea that temperance organizers were stuck up, scolding schoolmarms. So, for example if you think about Major Barbara or Sergeant Sarah Brown, two of the most iconic female characters in theatre of the era, both are members the Salvation Army, both are involved in temperance in the plots of their respective plays. The thing is, George Bernard Shaw and Frank Loesser made it very clear that those characters were right. The Demon Rum was ruining the lives of working class men, and women’s lib entailed turning down men who wouldn’t put down the bottle.

I think we have this idea about prohibition that was a bad idea or, like I said, that it was scolding or based on social judgement: to paraphrase Shaw, middle-class morality. The reality is the drinking habits of the English-speaking world changed dramatically through the temperance movement, even before prohibition, and certainly after - and changed for the better. This didn’t take place in a vacuum, however, because temperance was part and parcel with as I said, women’s liberation, but also a variety of working class movements. Emma Goldstein was involved with the temperance movement, so was Helen Keller, and nearly every other important reformer of the era.

Now, there’s two books I always suggest people read when the subject of temperance comes up: London Labour and the London Poor and People of the Abyss.

Let me interject by saying that, unlike George Bernard Shaw, I don’t have a lot of nice things to say about Jack London. However, his writing about living among the working class, and poor of London at the turn of the century pretty definitively shows that alcohol was not a harmless vice. Alcohol was a critical part of the structure of oppression that affected all of the working class. There is a YouTuber based in LA who is doing a similar sort of thing right now, name escapes me, and just like Jack London I don’t necessarily like it. I think it’s gratuitous and how much time he spends interviewing sex workers, it’s a bit salacious, but I think the throughline there is that all of them grew up in circumstances where drugs and alcohol were a huge problem, and all of them now use drugs and alcohol to cope with the situation.

Anecdotally, of course, whenever I talk to people, I know who come from lower socioeconomic stations - for example, enlisted soldiers, who were getting written up for disciplinary issues - not only did their issues, including several domestic incidents we had to deal with, stem from their own alcohol use, in their testimony at Charge Parades their families of origins were often blighted by liquor or drugs. Not for nothing do the National Defence Act and Queens Orders & Regulations include so many sections on alcohol in regards to discipline.

So let’s tie it all together. I understand that upper middle-class professionals can indulge in drug use every now and then, and I understand that this definition applies to almost everybody in the conversation right now. However, the exact same thing was true of alcohol use among the same class during the last two centuries. Yes, upper middle-class professionals could indulge in a glass of port every now and then without incident. What we should be talking about is the real problem here - that people without the tools to cope with their conditions, the most immiserated people in our society, are the ones who are going to fall back on drug and alcohol use. We can see that every day with the opioid epidemic and fentanyl.

Our model should be the same as leftist organizers in the late 1800s and first part of the 20th century - we should steadfastly promote temperance, while at the same time realizing that liberation from vice can only come through liberation from capitalism. This doesn’t make us prudish or unfun or stuck up - it’s an appropriate response to the real harm caused by vice in our society, a respite so we can fight the origin of those vices.

if you want to use the vanguard model, you have to realize that in many countries, Italy and Russia in particular, socialist organizers essentially acted as secular monks. They practiced what they preached. We can’t talk about our own hedonistic pleasures, and our own individual wishes and desire for self actualization, or whatever, and use the same drugs and alcohol we know are poison to the people we want to liberate . We have to lead by example and put the bottle down too.

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DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

I suppose the critical question here is what is more important to you: staying up all night to party, or relieving poor families from a vice that leads to all sorts of emotional, physical and sexual abuse?

Poverty is the cause of their substance abuse, there’s no mistaking that. However, that doesn’t mean that it’s not an important factor contributing to their misery.

Social reform is important. Temperance is an important part of social reform. We can’t ask anyone to do anything that we wouldn’t do ourselves. So, if we want the working class to be relieved from the suffering caused by their drug and alcohol use, it stands to reason that we have to be willing to put aside drugs, and alcohol, even if we don’t think it’s a problem for us, because we realize it’s a problem for society.

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Al! posted:

trying to imagine what the russian revolution would have looked like if anyone involved was sober

:downswords:

Russia, temperance movement, 1858–1860

“Mass anger led to the formation of the temperance movement. The movement emerged in Russia’s western provinces as entire villages ruled to abstain from drinking while picketing liquor establishments. By 1859, temperance committees spread across 32 Russian provinces.

As alcohol sales plummeted, retail prices dropped to 0.5 rubles a bucket, and in some localities retailers offered vodka free. But protests nonetheless gained momentum as 220 drinking shops were destroyed during the summer of 1859. The government arrested 780 people in an attempt to prevent the movement from expanding. “

Drinking and Temperance Among Soviet Workers, 1900-1930 (with an addendum on drinking and sobriety in contemporary Russia )

“The most sustained effort at controlling private drinking behaviors, and hence social relations , identities and cultural values of the working class, began in the 1920s, as Soviet authorities attempted to transform former peasants into efficient workers who shared their worldview and their commitment to building socialism.”

“ The primary working-class behaviour
that Soviet authorities deemed to be old, uncultured, and "bourgeois" was alcoholism . Newspapers and the trade union press throughout the 1920s abound with descriptions of drunkenness as "bourgeois degeneration", and as evidence of meshchanskii (middle-class) or nepovskyi (NEP-ish) decay. According to Soviet rhetoric, a socialist worker was a sober wo

“Within months of the revolution. however, the Bolsheviks had dramatic evidence o f alcohol ' s effect on crowds . In November and December 1917, a series of riots, sparked by struggle s over control of liquor supplies, by soldiers and civilians alike rocked Petrograd . Soldiers garrisoned i n other towns raided shops and warehouses for alcohol in drunken orgies that lasted days . In many case s rioters maimed and killed many people and destroyed much property before loyal Red Guard units could re
It is not surprising, therefore, that in 1918 the Council of People's Commissars (Sovetnarodnykh komissarov or Sovnarkom) nationalized the liquor industry, declaring the existing stock of alcoholic beverages state property .' The following year the new government decided to continue prohibition , introduced in 1914 by the tsarist government, by passing a law entitled "On the banning of the manufacture and sale of spirits, alcoholic drinks, and other products containing ethanol within the territory of the RSFSR ." The law provided for strict punishment and imprisonment of anyone who made, sold, or traded in illicit spirits .”

“Even prior to the reintroduction of the liquor monopoly, party visionaries focused their attention on the problem of working-class drinking . Given the seemingly more crucial and immediate problems facing the new regime, this attention to drinking might seem misplaced, unless viewed within the contex t of state-building . The Bolsheviks assumed that the industrial working class would provide the necessary social support for the new revolutionary regime, the "dictatorship of the proletariat," just as it had for the most part supported the October Revolution . In the midst of postrevolutionary social disintegration, however, the Bolsheviks found themselves, at ltemporarily, the vanguard of a fragmented and nearly non-existent class”

“In the early 1920s, therefore, the issue of drinking became critical for the Soviet state as th e Bolsheviks came face to face with their number one quandary : workers did not act right. The behavior o f the new working class, especially those fresh from the village, did not meet Bolshevik expectations : they came late to work, if at all ; they broke their machines ; they ignored the authority of bosses ; and above
all, they drank themselves into oblivion .”

Two Tolstoys and a Lenin—Temperance and Prohibition in Russia

“The understanding of temperance as opposition to imperial autocracy is traced through the antistatist teachings of Leo Tolstoy and early Bolsheviks, including the prohibitionists Vladimir Lenin and Leon Trotsky. Despite official opposition to “subversive” temperance activism, at the outbreak of World War I in 1914 Tsar Nicholas II made Russia the first prohibitionist state, though the loss of state revenue paved the way for the revolutions of 1917. Lenin maintained a prohibition against the vodka trade, which was only undone after Lenin’s death by Joseph Stalin, who reintroduced the tsarist-era vodka monopoly in the interests of state finance.”

Lenin the Prohibitionist

“Death is preferable to selling vodka!” Lenin declared prior to the revolution. True to his prohibitionist principles, he held fast to that conviction after seizing power. Even with vodka’s counterrevolutionary threat subsiding, Lenin’s ruling Sovnarkom, or Council of People’s Commissars… nationalized all alcohol production facilities and existing alcohol stocks. In 1919, Sovnarkom forbid distilling “by any means, in any quantity and at any strength” – punishable by confiscation of all property and a minimum of five years in Siberian labor camps.”

“Whatever the peasant wants in the way of material things we will give him, as long as they do not imperil the health or morals of the nation,” Lenin famously declared late in life. “But if he asks for ikons or booze – these things we will not make for him. For that is definitely retreat; that is definitely degeneration that leads him backward. Concession of this sort we will not make; we shall rather sacrifice any temporary advantage that might be gained from such concessions.”

[url=To Seize the Means of Production or the Means of Destruction: Temperance, Prohibition, and British Columbia’s Working Class]

“Drugs have long been used as a tool for domination. This could be for economic purposes, such as was seen in the Russian vodka monopoly or the British opium trade in China, or as a path to domination, as seen in the spread of alcohol amongst Indigenous populations.15 Those amongst the classes which had either systematically been exposed to alcohol or else been driven into its arms through poor living conditions sometimes recognized the deleterious relationship. Some fought against it, while others accepted alcohol as a necessary coping mechanism to get through their days. In some cases, leaders amongst oppressed populations recognized the use of alcohol as a tool of oppression and sought to eradicate it in order to mobilize the downtrodden classes and overthrow their oppressors. “

“In Smashing the Liquor Machine: a global history of prohibition (2021), Mark Schrad sets out to illuminate temperance’s role as an international social liberation movement, criticizing nearly a century’s worth of historians who have got it wrong. He sets up his argument as contrary to the “culture-clash narrative” that suggests that “prohibition was a weapon of the powerful white majority, used to subordinate and ‘discipline’ already marginalized poor, urban, immigrant, and African American communities.”17 He also seeks to dispel myths surrounding particular members of the temperance movement as morally driven crusaders, fanatics, and fools, offering a compelling argument as he showcases that prominent members of the temperance movement were not anti-alcohol per se, but rather anti-alcohol business.18 While his criticism of temperance and prohibition historiography is correct in suggesting that they are too often one- sided and his investigation of this leads him to recast previously misremembered information, he suggests that temperance and prohibitionism were inherently progressive.19 In such a large and controversial movement both sides of the debate are bound to be partially true, and there is no one theory to describe the diversity within 19th and 20th century temperance movements within both a national and international context.”

“The Russian vodka monopoly was first implemented by Ivan the Terrible in the 1550s. The sale of alcohol became the prerogative of the Tsar, and vodka became the liquor of choice because was it was both cheaper to make and more addictive than beer or wine. The stereotypical association of Russians and vodka is the result of “hundreds of years of autocratic political and economic decisions, which built the financial might” of the Russian empire “on the drunken misery of the Russian people.”41 One traveler corroborates the class bias of the vodka monopoly, noting that drunkenness was “nowhere to be seen but with the lower ranks.””

“In the years leading up to the revolution Trotsky argued that:

The propertied classes and the state bear responsibility for that culture which cannot exist without the constant lubricant of alcohol...But their historical guilt is still incomparably more terrible. Through fiscal means they turn alcohol, that physical, moral and social poison, into the main source of nourishment for the state. Vodka not only makes the people incompetent to manage their own destiny, it also covers the expenditures of the privileged. What a real devil’s system!

The Bolshevik revolution took place in the middle of WWI, after Tsar Nicholas had already enforced national prohibition to aid in the war effort. Once the Bolsheviks had seized power, one of the only policies Lenin decided to carry over was the prohibition of alcohol. He proclaimed that:

...the proletariat as a rising class does not need drunkenness that would deafen or provoke them...they need only clarity, clarity, and again clarity. The communist upbringing of the working class requires the rooting out of all vestiges of the capitalist past, especially such a dangerous vestige as drunkenness.

Lenin was committed to maintaining prohibition despite how it crippled the Russian economy which the Bolsheviks inherited, as he saw it as essential for Russia’s progress and future.”

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

mycomancy posted:

A Protestant Frosted Flakes full of faux wine is going to have some absolutely nuclear takes on women.

As long as Prods venerate Saint Mary, and Saint Mariam of Magdala, and so believe femininity is an integral part of sanctity, I’m sure it would be fine.

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Ziggy Smalls posted:

seems very 'capitalist realism' to view the primary usage of drugs as an escape from reality even in a post capitalist or non capitalist communist society.

"For the master’s tools will never dismantle the master’s house. They may allow us temporarily to beat him at his own game, but they will never enable us to bring about genuine change."

Let's escape capitalism first, then reality.

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Ziggy Smalls posted:

Is someone talking about using drugs to dismantle capitalism?

They're talking about indulging something that poisons the working class now because someday, when full communism is achieved, it might be enjoyable.

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

cagliostr0 posted:

If I can't enjoy a French 75 in a Friday afternoon then I guess I'm going to have to be a counter-revolutionary

As I have repeatedly said, the issue is not literal champaign cocktails (good taste btw). Drinking, and drug habits are not evenly distributed across class lines, and as much as some people have circumstances and social conditions that allow them to have a nice drink once in a while, in general, particularly among the working class, alcohol and drugs are destructive.

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

multistability posted:

I think if you tried to ban alcohol in Ireland Gerry Adams would personally reactivate the IRA and order ppl to dig up all their decommissioned armalites and then you'd have a real party going. I'm Irish living in Ireland so I'm allowed to say this BTW

Irish influence on the temperance movement

In May of 2011, the Irish Republic had two very important and historic visitors. Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II and US President Barack Obama were both officially welcomed by the Irish people to these shores for the first time.

The level of preparation was enormous, from security at the various sites both luminaries were visiting, to road upgrades, and carefully choreographed photo opportunities with politicians, business people, and other various influential figures.

Part of Barack Obama’s visit was to a small pub in Moneygall, Co. Offaly1 where both he and his wife enjoyed a pint and a half pint of Guinness, respectively, to the constant click and whirr of camera lenses. Queen Elizabeth was not spared the Guinness photo opportunity either, and at the Guinness Storehouse on James’ Street in Dublin (site of the first Guinness brewery in Ireland) she was poured a pint of the black stuff, although unlike her US counterparts she didn’t indulge.2

While the images conjured above were broadcast worldwide and were hailed by the media here as being vital for our tourism,3 they perhaps say a lot about our attitude to alcohol in our society here in general.

Ireland is a country where over half of all those who do drink have a harmful drinking pattern. We drink 20% more than we did 25 years ago and 20% more than the average European. Alcohol has a role in 41% of cases of deliberate self-harm, 97% of public order offences, and every 7 hours in Ireland someone dies from an alcohol-related illness.4

It may come as a surprise to some then, that Ireland had a starring role in the Temperance Movement in the UK and further afield in the 19th century.


Theobald Mathew was born in Ireland in 1790 and was ordained a priest in Dublin in 1813. He was known as a kind and sympathetic clergyman and was popular and looked up to by the poor and the wealthy alike. His chief concern was always the care of the sick and underprivileged in society.5

Around this time, drunkenness was becoming widespread and problematic in Ireland. In 1835, a Quaker called William Martin founded the Cork Total Abstinence Society in an attempt to combat the issue. He made little initial headway.6

Prior to this, in Preston in 1831, Joseph Livesey was adopting a staunch anti-alcohol ideal, releasing regular pamphlets on abstinence, the roots of which grew into the Preston Temperance Advocate in 1834. His influence spread and he also released the Teetotal Progressionist from 1851–1852 and the Staunch Teetotaler from 1867. Livesey himself had taken his lead from Reverend John Edgar, a Presbyterian minister based in Belfast, who began preaching the benefits of teetotalism from 1829.

Meanwhile, on the other side of Ireland, the Cork Total Abstinence Society plodded onwards with few members so its founder sought out Father Theobald Mathew, a well-liked and much respected local priest who he hoped would drive the movement onwards.

In 1838 Father Mathew signed up and plunged headfirst into the abstinence crusade. Obviously this new movement had the fingerprints of the Catholic church on it given his background and this was a useful method for Father Mathew to convert new followers to his cause, holding meetings after services and recruiting new followers after Sunday mass who took ‘The Pledge’ to remain abstinent from alcohol. Estimates vary, but by 1843 about 250 000 people in Ireland had taken The Pledge.

Father Mathew then travelled through the UK for 3 months in 1843 with like-minded associates converting up to 600 000 people to the Temperance movement there.7

While drunkenness was bad, it was nothing compared to the Great Famine which struck Ireland between 1845 and 1849. Over 2 million had to emigrate and approximately the same number died. Father Mathew’s focus switched from temperance to helping the poor, and momentum for his crusade was understandably lost.

Invited to the US in 1849,7 he was afforded use of City Hall, New York, which acted as a forerunner to his success in America. At his peak he had up to 500 000 followers there and dined in the White House with President Taylor. Things unravelled for him in America when his anti-slavery views were not popular and he returned to Ireland, cutting ties with the American movement in 1851. He died in Cork in 1856.

It is perhaps ironic that the country that produced Father Mathew is now so closely identified with all things Bacchanalian in the modern age.

One feels it will take more than a single charismatic religious figure to turn this particular tide.

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

In AA's defence, I can see why telling people with problem substance abuse issues to deprioritize being in a relationship (can be) ultimately for the best for all involved, and also, if you've ever been in a relationship with someone with a history of addition, them being upfront about some of the baggage that comes from that, instead of you discovering later on, arguably also for the best.

I'm not coming out to defend them the way I will the Methodists, I don't know much about them. All of these responses to addiction happened for a reason, they were rooted in their societies. The Woman's Christian Temperance Union was the big one that got the ball rolling here, as as evangelizing was part of the movement, I suppose you could say they were a "cult", even though they were just mainline Protestants. I suppose it comes down to if you see recovery for alcohol as purely secular or not.

The Woman's Christian Temperance Union, Salvation Army, and AA, with the acknowledgement in a belief of a higher power, are explicitly not. That's not for everyone, which is fine, but on their own terms, I don't have a problem with it. If they have a religious understanding of addiction, and their treatment incorporates it, and it works, as long as they are upfront about their beliefs to people who want to join, which I would argue is a difference between a cult and a religious movement, I think that's fine too.

You meet people where they are, and all 3 originated in societies that were more religious than our own, where people's understanding of daily life, personal demons, and recovery from disease had religious dimensions. If you were to start a new program today, you'd use the language of pop science, or however people understand themselves, their problems, and how things change.

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

maxwellhill posted:

they're already pretending to hold a leftist position online so they're used to it

I'm temperate offline as well.

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

And some, I assume, are good people.

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

What's up with the role of Brussels as the clearing house for the European black market in small arms?

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

I don't know how true that actually is. Galen and Plutarch were both obsessed with study and observation, but because they were natural philosophers, and not "scientists" as we'd conceptualize it, what they weighed as proof was different. For example, literary evidence was held to be superior to experimentation, because of the importance of literary authority in their cultural milieu.

Still, if you've read Quaestiones Naturales, rather than vibes, Plutarch is very clearly trying to reason (rather than experiment) how the world works, to understand his observations (or observations he has read about).

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

FirstnameLastname posted:

psychiatry works in that having a person you can talk to about whatever who will remember it but won't have consequences in any other area of your life is helpful and if they get how whatever issue you're having works then that's even better, probably half of the people going to psychiatrists just don't have a person in their life they can really express themselves to bc American culture is shattered into nothing.

Hmm... if only there was a way... to confess what's bothering you... in total confidence... and be reconciled...

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Mr. Lobe posted:

How is that not a vibes based way of going about making an epistemology of medicine

I'm not saying nobody ever tried to be empirical or employ reason, but when the foundations still amount to appeals to cultural authority you wind up with things like the 4 humors and miasma theory of disease enduring for millenia

I would submit to you that the miasma theory of disease would have effectively responded to the coronavirus pandemic, as opposed to what our superior scientific method got us now: economic analysis, followed by manufactured consent, then a shrug.

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Paramemetic posted:

as with all things capitalism hosed it up and there's no profit motive in replicating a study so there's no funding for it and if you're a student or tenure track replicating a study won't be considered adding to the body of knowledge if it's not novel in some way so won't be accepted by advisors or chairs so nobody has any reason to do it right

hilariously because it's all so controversial and because it has to be able to stand up to extreme criticism more so than other fields parapsychological research since like the 1980s is probably one of the most robust fields of research and almost certainly one of the most rigorous

Someone told me British universities invented insane metrics for teaching positions, to get some sort of quotient of how novel your research is on a quarter to quarter basis?

In Late Antique and Religious Studies?

:psyduck:

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

We just saw that Sia is an FBI agent. Open your eyes people!

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Wasn't Lyme's disease possibly a weapons leak as well?

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

I think one nearby building did almost collapse, was it the Deutsche Bank Building? The Marriott was also destroyed, iirc.

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

I am curious about Alex Station making phone calls to let people into the country, or whatever that was about.

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

500excf type r posted:

My favorite 9/11 thing is the large contraption, that appears to be the same size and location as the factory remote control systems, attached the airplane that hit the second tower and Boeing investigated it and the results are classified for national security reasons

Hm?

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

I found a top notch crank conspiracy:

In Rediscovering Japan, Reintroducing Christendom Japan's unvoiced Christian history and cultural roots are examined from an alternative perspective. It is commonly believed that Christianity was introduced to Japan by the Spanish and Portuguese missionaries during the 1500s; however, Samuel Lee draws on various forms of cultural, religious and linguistic evidence to argue that Christianity was introduced to Japan through the Lost Tribes of Israel, who were converted to Christianity through the missionary efforts of the Assyrian Church of the East around A.D. 500. Much of the evidence he discusses has become submerged into many Japanese folkloric songs, festivals and is to be found in temples. There are, for example, approximately 300 words in Japanese and Hebrew/Aramaic that are similar. Further, Dr. Lee outlines the history of Catholicism in Japan during the 1500s, the systematic persecution of Christians from 1600s to the 1800s, and the rise of Protestant Church in Japan. The historical portion of the book ends with an analysis and discussion of 21st century Japanese society. Lastly, in Rediscovering Japan, Reintroducing Christendom, Samuel Lee questions the missiological methods of Western Christianity and advocates an approach based in dialogue between Christianity and other cultures.

I like how it's kind of snuck in there.

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

I think everything important happened before those guys even passed through security. The day itself was going to play out as it played out. There are a lot more clear and well documented signs of something amiss using that framing too.

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Mola Yam posted:

christianity was introduced to japan through jesus h christ himself





source: jesus



I was just thumbing through Christianity Made in Japan: A Study of Indigenous Movements, it's interesting stuff.

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024


It makes sense if you consider Mormonism part of the same trend. Christianity is a universal religion. People, unfortunately, often have limited imaginations. They are not able to make an ideology from a different context relevant in their immediate surroundings. Chalk that down to lack of intellectual sophistication, the conceptual horizons of the peasantry, whatever. Therefore, in times of great religious excitement, which the Burn Over District, 19th c Qing anarchy, and several periods of Japanese history were, it's must easier to have a millenarianism that transports the Gospel from Galilee and Judea to here and now, for a movement to really pick up steam.

I realize I'm just describing the second act of a musical made by the South Park guys.

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8gOI-6BpWY

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Dokapon Findom posted:

Since Nestor was 19 I just assumed at the time of the announcement that Gaetz had adopted a fully grown man

America speedrunning SPQR.

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DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

post hole digger posted:

havent listened to this, and his book on watergate sounds interesting, but hes such a boring podcast guest to me. i had a hard time with his true anon appearances. he just comes off as really out of touch.

I think it's the product of disappearing into studying this stuff for however many years, right? He's the one who got Epstein's black book, and had it published. So I think he's got an idea of all of this stuff, his takes on Watergate are inline with the revisionist scholarship, it's just that how can you disappear into that sort of world and remain in touch with the mainstream?

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