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Grimson
Dec 16, 2004



Zwachro posted:

More Euro stuff:

  • The Danish league is now called Gjensidige Kvindeliga and streams on Mycujoo.
    Those of you who know Scandinavian might wonder why the name is half Norwegian and half Danish: it's because they got themselves sponsored by a Norwegian insurance company.

For some reason Norwegian companies are now sponsoring every major league in Scandinavia. OBOS has the naming rights to both the Norwegian Toppserien and the swedish Damallsvenskan from before.

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Grimson
Dec 16, 2004



First round fixtures for the Scandinavian nations was a breeze for everyone.
Norway beat Northern Ireland 6-0, Sweden squeezed by Latvia 4-1 and Denmark came away from Israel with 3-0.

Also I just looked up the group Norway is in and they apparently re-did the rules this year so every nation gets to play and there's no pre-qualifiers as in previous years. So uhh.. This should be a cake walk.

Group C: Norway (12), Wales (32), Belarus (54), Northern Ireland (59), Faroe Islands (85)
FIFA rankings in parenthesis.

Added bonus: Norway just beat England 2-1 in a friendly with a lovely goal by CGH.
https://imgur.com/lBBgO9g

Grimson
Dec 16, 2004



Zwachro posted:

Only if you don't include the Faroes in Scandinavia. :v:

Norway, Sweden and Denmark make up Scandinavia. The Faroes are part of the Nordic countries, along with Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Greenland and Åland.

Grimson
Dec 16, 2004



https://twitter.com/WFRumour/status/1169314118852993024

Grimson
Dec 16, 2004



NRK is saying Kolbotn's keeper is going to Manchester United.
https://twitter.com/applessquabble/status/1169846868982894592

It's going to be interesting seeing how Kolbotn fares in the later half of the season and if they make any moves before the next season to shore up their loses with Aurora going to ManU and Karina Sævik already having transferred to PSG.

Grimson
Dec 16, 2004



Mr. Mambold posted:

How are Marta and Morgan there, but not England's White? What is this, a Hall of Fame ballot? The Dutch had some good attackers also. And Dunn was better than O'Hara.

If it's anything like previous years the jury votes based on name recognition cause they don't know poo poo about womens football.

Grimson
Dec 16, 2004



Over in the Norwegian league, LSK Kvinner is most likely gonna secure their 6th Toppserien title in a row and 7th overall tomorrow when they play Kolbotn (7th place) and only need to walk away with a draw.



Happily for me though Vålerenga has been doing real well this season and they have a chance to grab 2nd place, up from 6th and 7th in the previous years. Unfortunately though they've lost one of their top scorers, Natasha Dowie (11 goals), and they're still in a transition phase it feels like. They've got a lot of short-term contracts with good players that don't return, like Theresa Nielsen two years back and then the Isabell Herlovsen scandal last year. But Sherida Spitse re-upped until 2021 just before the World Cup so I'm hoping for a signal effect of that since she turned down Manchester United for it*, and it looks like Ajara Nchout is loving her stay so she'll hopefully remain with the squad. Dejana Stefanovic and Maruschka Waldus have also been two important signings, hopefully they'll stay as well. There's some good talent brewing in their own ranks too, although they're maybe a year or two away from becoming mainstays in the squad.

*Due to family life, as she and her wife have a kid and they like Norway and she wouldn't be able to see them as much if she moved to Manchester, but hey.

Grimson fucked around with this message at 12:23 on Oct 19, 2019

Grimson
Dec 16, 2004



Norway news:

LSK won the title, as expected.


They also advanced to the cup final where they'll face off against their main rival Vålerenga.

And the Womens Football Association just announced that they've entered into a partnership with a private college to help professional footballers get a degree and still remain competitive. This was a major talking point last year when a national team player was barred from the last couple of World Championship qualifiers because she was getting a nursing degree and as part of it you need to take on a residency and the school refused to postpone it or help her make it work out until she went to the media about it. Then she dropped out the following summer and now she plays for Reading Women FC.

Grimson
Dec 16, 2004



https://twitter.com/OmVAsports/status/1454126071994015747?s=20

Grimson
Dec 16, 2004



highme posted:

Let's check in on what's happening in France?

They're also investigating the possibility of match fixing in the D1 after several players got DM's on Instagram promising them €100,000 in bitcoins, according to L'Equipe.

quote:

They offer 100,000 euros to rig a match in women's D1
An investigation was opened after the discovery of approaches of female D1 players by mysterious corrupters. The latter proposed the sum of € 100,000 in bitcoin to rig the result of a match. Dozens of athletes from different European countries were also targeted.

Grimson
Dec 16, 2004



Zwachro posted:

Meanwhile, the initial reports on the PSG thing seem to have been inaccurate. Difficult to find English sources, but the current police theory points to an ex of Hamraoui.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Mayca_Jimenez/status/1459558386601799695

Defector has a writeup of it with more detail.
https://defector.com/the-totally-insane-story-about-the-attacked-psg-player-has-only-gotten-more-insane/

Grimson
Dec 16, 2004



So they managed to schedule the Ballon d'Or awards during the international break meaning all of the nominees for the women's award can't make it.

You literally had one job.

Grimson
Dec 16, 2004



https://twitter.com/_shireenahmed_/status/1470785287043399680?s=20

Grimson
Dec 16, 2004



Ada is back on the national team.

Grimson
Dec 16, 2004



22 minutes is all it took and now she's scored two goals.

Grimson
Dec 16, 2004



The eternal geniuses at the football federation decided to change the way the Norwegian women's league, Toppserien, works. The new system was postponed for two years due to corona, but it was finally implemented this year and it's a mess.

Instead of having a normal winner and relegation playoff at the end of the season it's now split into a "regular season" where the ten teams play a regular set of matches against each other until the table is sorted and then divided into a Top Four group and a Bottom Six. The Top Four start the playoff with 6, 4, 2 and 0 points depending on where they ended up, and then they play two games against each other and the winner and runner-up gets the Champions League spots for next year. Meanwhile the Bottom Six gets joined by the Top Two from the 1st Division and they play to avoid relegation, with the #7 and #8 team getting relegated, while the #6 team plays a qualifier against the winner of the Bottom Eight in the 1st Division.

Now that leaves 5 teams at least with not much to gain or lose from playing a new round of games as they're pretty safe from relegation and originally the thought was to give the best team in the Bottom Six the 2nd Champions League spot, so they have something to play for. But that was changed... uhhh... a week before the season started. Which kinda tracks with the intention of this change being to increase the co-efficiency of the Norwegian league in the UEFA rankings, by having the best teams in the league play more games against each other and thus get more practice against tougher teams. But there's so many downsides to this change and I think one of the coaches for one of the Top Four teams proposed just doing a playoff league with two best Swedish and Danish teams, which sounds infinitely better and more practical.

NRK sent out a questionnaire to every team and player in the league and one (1) player was positive towards the new system.

Grimson
Dec 16, 2004



Grimson posted:

The eternal geniuses at the football federation decided to change the way the Norwegian women's league, Toppserien, works. The new system was postponed for two years due to corona, but it was finally implemented this year and it's a mess.

Instead of having a normal winner and relegation playoff at the end of the season it's now split into a "regular season" where the ten teams play a regular set of matches against each other until the table is sorted and then divided into a Top Four group and a Bottom Six. The Top Four start the playoff with 6, 4, 2 and 0 points depending on where they ended up, and then they play two games against each other and the winner and runner-up gets the Champions League spots for next year. Meanwhile the Bottom Six gets joined by the Top Two from the 1st Division and they play to avoid relegation, with the #7 and #8 team getting relegated, while the #6 team plays a qualifier against the winner of the Bottom Eight in the 1st Division.

Now that leaves 5 teams at least with not much to gain or lose from playing a new round of games as they're pretty safe from relegation and originally the thought was to give the best team in the Bottom Six the 2nd Champions League spot, so they have something to play for. But that was changed... uhhh... a week before the season started. Which kinda tracks with the intention of this change being to increase the co-efficiency of the Norwegian league in the UEFA rankings, by having the best teams in the league play more games against each other and thus get more practice against tougher teams. But there's so many downsides to this change and I think one of the coaches for one of the Top Four teams proposed just doing a playoff league with two best Swedish and Danish teams, which sounds infinitely better and more practical.

NRK sent out a questionnaire to every team and player in the league and one (1) player was positive towards the new system.

We're entering the final stage of the "regular season" and the supporter groups for five clubs (including three of the top clubs) are refusing to acknowledge the system. Which in effect means that they're boycotting all the matches in the Top Four-playoff and are calling it quits after August 28th.

Grimson
Dec 16, 2004



Ahahaha, the new league system is being undermined by one of the clubs that have nothing to play for.



The top three are untouchable, but the much coveted fourth place is still up for grabs by four teams. Which leaves three teams with nothing to play for during the remainder of the regular season, and Arna-Bjørnar managed to score a training game with Chelsea ahead of the WSL starting up and as it stands they're set to travel to London and play the game on Friday at 11am, before they then travel to Oslo to play Lyn on Sunday. Lyn is well within striking shot of 4th place and now they're pretty much guaranteed the 3 points from that game as Arna-Bjørnar will be in no state to put up a fight after having played one of the best clubs in the world just two days previous, so obviously the Stabæk coach is livid and I expect Kolbotn, LSK and probably the rest of the league to join in soon as the Norwegian Football Federation apparently gave Arna-Bjørnar their blessing to schedule the match so close to a league game.

Grimson
Dec 16, 2004



https://twitter.com/tariqpanja/status/1561305997574127617?s=20&t=WdVE33Pcdp9hrRxXaMvTxA

Some interesting points here. And they all track coming from Norway where NFF said it was impossible to find a general sponsor for the league, only to have the league interest group (TFK) land the largest sponsorship deal for the league like two months after they were told they could have a go. Not to mention the new TV-rights deal for domestic football that was signed in 2020 where the women's league weren't allowed to have a single representative in the negotiations.

Grimson
Dec 16, 2004



habeasdorkus posted:

I mean, look at the vast improvement Spain made in a very short period of time just by not having a bunch of misogynist assholes running their women's game.

Speaking of Spain.

https://twitter.com/tariqpanja/status/1573248103800623104?s=20&t=KZxrmXTqAzSaU_g51EMRsw

quote:

Fifteen players on Spain’s national women’s soccer team have said they will not play under its current coach, sparking a public mutiny that drew a stern rebuke from the Spanish soccer federation.

The 15 players this week wrote identical letters, according to a statement released by the federation on Thursday, in which they threatened to quit the national team unless their coach, Jorge Vilda, was fired. The athletes, according to news reports in Spain, are frustrated at several aspects of Vilda’s approach, and the federation’s statement alluded to those concerns, saying the players had written about the effect of Vilda’s management and coaching style on “their emotional state and their health.”

The federation responded by saying that not only would it not fire Vilda, who has led Spain since 2015, but that the players must apologize for their actions before they will be allowed back on the team.

In giving its backing to Vilda, the federation also issued a stern warning to the players that they face bans of between two and five years for what it described as a “very serious infraction.”

The federation “is not going to allow the players to question the continuity of the national coach and his coaching staff, since making those decisions does not fall within their powers,” it said.


[...]

The federation did not disclose the names of the 15 players who called for Vilda’s ouster. But Spanish news reports said six players from the Champions League runner-up, Barcelona, were among those who had written to the federation, but that Paredes, the captain, and Putellas were not among them. Players on Real Madrid’s roster also did not submit complaints, the reports said.

Grimson fucked around with this message at 11:53 on Sep 23, 2022

Grimson
Dec 16, 2004



Angry Lobster posted:

I've been bombarded with news about the spanish team drama for weeks and I still don't get what their point is, aside that they don't like the coach and want him replaced. The Federation has dealt with this in a pretty tactless way, as ever, however trying to strong-arm the Federation in public to accept your demands is not exactly a sensible choice either.

Any charitable goon can explain to me what is really going on here?

Lack of respect and vision seems to be the main points.

From the Guardian:

quote:

For some of those players, the reference to their emotional state, their health, was not empty words. There is no suggestion of inappropriate behaviour, but the relationship with Vilda had broken down – insofar as there was even a relationship at all, and the impact of that was detrimental to them all. Now the relationship with the federation has too, played out in public and only getting worse. A subsequent statement published by the players on Friday night deepened the divide.

Many of the Spain players consider Vilda controlling; most consider him incapable. He had also become a symbol of something wider: a sense, borne out repeatedly, that Rubiales did not truly believe in women’s football. The means they chose, according to those close to the players, the only means they could. The statement from the players on Friday lamented that it had “come to this extreme” in order to “advance”.

In part, this can be seen as part of a process of professionalisation in women’s football in Spain: as the game progresses, as the level rises and demands increase, so some get left behind. Put bluntly, many players believe that Vilda should have been. Instead, he is still there, seven years after taking over as national team coach. Others are too. They, meanwhile, have become increasingly aware of their collective cause, of the success they could and perhaps should aspire to, ambition they feel others have failed to share.

[...]

For some Spain players joining the national team has become something to endure, not enjoy. One source close to them talks of anxiety, players in tears, of an atmosphere that is unsustainable. There is little communication with Vilda, who is the coach and sporting director in one and who they see as overbearing. The environment has become tense, unpleasant at times.

Some within the squad consider the coach to be in a position that he does not merit, put there more by personal relationships than qualifications, protected by the president who they doubt truly believes in women’s football. In their view, others who are equally unqualified occupy positions of power round him.

Vilda’s tactics, methods and group management have faced internal criticism by players who demand more, his gameplans considered deficient or even nonexistent. A statement released by the players on Friday reiterated that they had not called for his sacking “as has been claimed” but had “expressed constructively and honestly what we think can improve the performance of the group”.

Spain are no longer at the level they were in 2015, but far beyond it, Vilda becoming in many of their eyes a symbol of something far bigger: of a federation not keeping pace with that progress. The players decided something had to be done. Traditional routes were unavailable to them so they opted for collective action.

Worth remembering that the Spanish FA is complete trash and the previous coach, Ignacio Quereda, got the position in 1988 and held it until 2015(!). The job was widely seen as a "favour" from his friends at the RFEF and he was a complete rear end in a top hat who was only let go after the entire 23-woman squad from the 2015 WWC publicly asked for him to be fired.

There's a thread here with excerpt from the docu about Ignacio and the team:
https://twitter.com/OmVAsports/status/1454126071994015747?s=20&t=9qQlLcxe1XXzEiPyx-pk1g

There's also some fun stuff happening on the higher level of the RFEF:

quote:

The standoff is the latest crisis in the turbulent tenure of Rubiales, the federation chief since 2018 who, in one of his first acts as president, fired the coach of Spain’s men’s national team on the eve of its opening match at the 2018 World Cup. More recently, Rubiales has been under scrutiny after leaked messages revealed a questionable management style and business practices. Rubiales’s uncle, whom he had appointed to his staff on the Spanish federation, has accused the soccer president of using soccer funds to pay for lavish private events. Rubiales has denied those claims.

Grimson
Dec 16, 2004



Defector has a huge article up on the Chicago Red Stars.

How The Chicago Red Stars Became The Epitome Of NWSL Dysfunction

Grimson
Dec 16, 2004



Crazy Ted posted:

Ah right. That would likely be due to the fact that the ELO-style ranking system that FIFA recently switched to places little weight on friendlies IIRC.

They also don't update it immediately, the next one for women isn't until Dec 9th.

Grimson
Dec 16, 2004



New UWCL matchday, the first games starts in just under an hour.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrUQXESZrdvoJQVXjZDl9pr_Wd-_zc7dL

26. Oct - 18:45 (CEST)
Real Madrid - PSG
St. Pölten - Roma

26. Oct - 21:00 (CEST)
Chelsea - Vllaznia
Slavia Praha - Wolfsburg

27. Oct - 18:45 (CEST)
Juventus - Lyon
Rosengård - Barcelona

27. Oct - 21:00 (CEST)
Arsenal - Zürich
Benfica - Bayern

Grimson
Dec 16, 2004



Mariona Caldentey just did a screamer from midfield in the Rosengård game. It looked liked Rosengård would be able to hold on for a 2-1 loss or maybe a 2-2 tie, but I think Barca just secured the victory and they'll probably score again now.

Grimson
Dec 16, 2004



https://twitter.com/Knorozov/status/1587036308341399552?s=20&t=SoZViENoenzjjQB3lVa4mw

Grimson
Dec 16, 2004



Could someone do a quick tl;dr post of the NWSL report, and the whole saga I guess? Since most of the websites talking about it are either blocked for me (a combination of gdpr and/or subscription services), and the rest expect you to remember details and names from years past which is a bit difficult when its not a league I follow closely.

Grimson
Dec 16, 2004



Crazy Ted posted:

Just the nature of women's sports. IIRC female basketball players tear ACL's 4-5 times as often as their male counterparts.


Mr. Mambold posted:

Woman's ACL is a third the size, and so probably strength as well of man's.

Can't remember where I read that. I could quote a horror anecdote about a women's college coach's opinion on ACL tears...

There was an article in the British Journal of Sports Medicine late last year that looked at ACL injuries in women athletes and argued that the problem wasn't caused by their gender, but rather the way society treats them based on their gender.

quote:

This analysis, the authors write, should take into account the way extrinsic factors such as access to facilities (fields, gyms), staff (qualified physiotherapists, strength and conditioning coaches), equipment (footwear, warm-up programs), as well as wider systems and structures such as healthcare and medical insurance, youth development pathways, contracts, and professional standards all contribute to the increased risk of ACL injuries in women athletes.

They go on to highlight a few things like the different toys they get during childhood: From day one, "gendered parenting … for example, purchasing different toys or allowing greater independent mobility for boys … could manifest as altered movement patterns in sport later in life," the study says.

And how girls/women are told to look at their body and training: For example, ACL research overwhelmingly suggests resistance training and increasing muscle mass is one of the primary methods for strengthening knees and preventing ACL injuries. However, cultural expectations and stereotypes around femininity and how women's bodies should look often affect girls and women's participation in these kinds of activities.

Not to mention that women are, in a lot of cases, using secondary or tertiary fields and pitches to practice on which are rarely up to standard: "The number of teams I see that train on the second field as a female team, but then the male team trains on the main pitch, so when we start to look at landing technique, they're landing on potholes.

Grimson
Dec 16, 2004



whypick1 posted:

Today is the start of the SheBelieves Cup, a 4 team tournament between the US, Canada, Brazil and Japan, taking place in the US. All games air on HBO Max in English with some combination of Universo/Peacock/Telemundo App for the Spanish broadcast.

Schedule:

February 16 - Exploria Stadium, Orlando, FL
Japan vs. Brazil - 4PM EST
USA vs. Canada - 7PM EST

February 19 - GEODIS Park, Nashville, TN
USA vs. Japan - 3:30PM EST
Brazil vs. Canada - 6:30PM EST

February 22 - Toyota Stadium, Frisco, TX
Canada vs. Japan - 4PM EST
USA vs. Brazil - 7PM EST

Reminder that you are all morally obligated to root against Canada because their federation is a dumpster fire.

Defector had the slam dunk headline of: "Canadian Women’s National Team Forced To Play In Women’s Empowerment Soccer Tournament".

Grimson
Dec 16, 2004



whypick1 posted:

And now the WWC field is set, with Panama, Haiti and Portugal making it out of the playoff. Here's the 32 teams that will be in AUS/NZ this July/August:

Group A: New Zealand, Norway, Philippines, Switzerland
Group B: Australia, Ireland, Nigeria, Canada
Group C: Spain, Costa Rica, Zambia, Japan
Group D: England, Haiti, Denmark, China
Group E: USA, Vietnam, Netherlands, Portugal
Group F: France, Jamaica, Brazil, Panama
Group G: Sweden, South Africa, Italy, Argentina
Group H: Germany, Morocco, Colombia, South Korea

Condolences to Jamaica and Panama in advance.

why do we always end up in the host nation group

Grimson
Dec 16, 2004



euro 2017: host group
worlds 2019: host group
euro 2022: host group
worlds 2023: host group

Grimson
Dec 16, 2004



drat, though it doesn't come as a very huge shock considering the previous talk about the coach and Henry.

Grimson
Dec 16, 2004



I could probably wait for the official confirmation, but why do that when I can link an 8 second video showing you a hallway and some pillars.
https://twitter.com/GFFN/status/1641399610206765056?s=20

Grimson
Dec 16, 2004



That's a pretty wild goal from Popp.

https://twitter.com/838_carlisle/status/1641487963602268190?s=20

Grimson fucked around with this message at 18:25 on Mar 30, 2023

Grimson
Dec 16, 2004



I'd forgotten all about English commentators.

quote:

"Are Lyon tested enough in the French league compared to Chelsea in the WSL?"
"No."




Are any of these English teams in the room with us right now?

Grimson
Dec 16, 2004



I don't even know how Gilles put that one into the net.

Grimson
Dec 16, 2004



Terminally Bored posted:

Chelsea are going to lose this tie

Really looks like Lyon has that next level gear that Chelsea just doesn't.

Grimson
Dec 16, 2004



https://twitter.com/mandy7n/status/1641552872453165057?s=20

Grimson
Dec 16, 2004



This loving game.

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Grimson
Dec 16, 2004



At least some justice was served in James missing her pen.

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