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CyberPingu posted:Yes because you are the one making the claim. I'm not doing your work for you. You're challenging the claim and saying I'm wrong and want citations. That's you wanting me to quote citations whenever I say something on an internet forum which no reasonable person would do. https://www.economist.com/international/2015/01/15/hang-up-the-boxing-gloves https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxing_glove https://medium.com/@epiphanyaweek/the-paradox-of-boxing-gloves-e6eda15dd755 Literally the top results if youd take the time to google "is boxing without gloves safer" but you don't want to do that because bad faith arguments are more fun, aren't they?
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Aug 31, 2020 19:43
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Ohhh "bad faith" buzzword bingo. Also I'm not paying to read that article Also lol quote:One non-peer-reviewed study has estimated the risk of death from bare-knuckle boxing at 14,000 deaths per million participants. This is 184 times more deaths per million participants than for modern professional boxing, which has 76 deaths per million participants (according to the same study)
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Aug 31, 2020 19:43
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Aug 31, 2020 19:44
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CyberPingu posted:Ohhh "bad faith" buzzword bingo. What a surprise you skipped right past this part: The impact of gloves on the injuries caused during a fight is a controversial issue. Hitting to the head was less common in the bare-knuckle era because of the risk of hurting the boxer's hand. Gloves reduce the number of cuts caused, but British Medical Association research has stated that gloves do not reduce brain injuries and may even increase them, because the main cause of injury is acceleration and deceleration of the head, and fighters wearing gloves are able to punch harder to the head. Gloves may reduce the amount of eye injuries, especially if they are thumbless, but retinal tears and detached retinas still occur to boxers wearing modern gloves.[26][27] for the part that said non-peer-reviewed without a citation afterwards.
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Aug 31, 2020 19:59
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I didn't skip past that part because your initial argument was that Bare Knuckle Boxing is safer. Also Mr Nice already explained that
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Aug 31, 2020 20:01
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CyberPingu posted:I didn't skip past that part because your initial argument was that Bare Knuckle Boxing is safer. Doltos posted:Which means they hit harder. Better pads = more violent sport. Doltos posted:Bare knuckle boxing is safer than boxing with gloves. When you have more protection you hit harder.
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Aug 31, 2020 20:02
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You literally say there that bare knuckle is safer...even though it's killed more people. Also do you not think it would be legal if it was safer?
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Aug 31, 2020 20:04
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It's killed more people for a variety of reasons that go beyond getting punched in the head. Again in those articles you refuse to read they covered it, same with a simple google. Grappling and throwing was allowed back in the days which resulted in fighters hitting their heads against objects, the medical care was worse, and people fought til exhaustion, not knock downs.
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Aug 31, 2020 20:07
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Being punched in the head by someone wearing a glove is not safer that being punched by a bare knuckle. Now you could (and probably will) argue that boxings rules allow for more sustained head injuries because they allow fights to go on longer than MMA (which is the closest we have to bare knuckle nowadays). If you had a 10 count in MMA you would have more injuries because of more direct blows to the head from an un-cushioned fist.
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Aug 31, 2020 20:23
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CyberPingu posted:Being punched in the head by someone wearing a glove is not safer that being punched by a bare knuckle.
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Aug 31, 2020 20:24
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Daltos, your assertion was that padding causes them to hit harder. It doesn't. Physics causes padded blows to be softer. No one disagrees that people have different strategy in a bareknuckle match versus a gloved match just like mma boxing is different than traditional. Gloves are there to protect hands and that's the same reason that the strategy in the matches are different as well.
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Aug 31, 2020 20:24
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Padding allows you to have continued more sustained hits. The same reason rugby has less head on collisions than in football. Ill concede my point about CyberPingu posted:Nowadays though the defenders have more rules to comply to. And the gear they are wearing is more advanced to absorb impact Was slightly ill informed as the extra layers do cause players to think they have greater protection
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Aug 31, 2020 20:27
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Stop posting Greg Hardy fanfiction tia
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Aug 31, 2020 20:30
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Mr. Nice! posted:Daltos, your assertion was that padding causes them to hit harder. It doesn't. Physics causes padded blows to be softer. Not my assertion at all. Boxing is an example of pads allowing participants to hit harder. You hit harder because it hurts you less to hit harder ergo anyone arguing against that has either not gotten into a fight or doesn't understand the simple concept of hitting people hurts.
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Aug 31, 2020 20:34
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Can we all just agree that Eli is MechaFlacco and call it a day
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Aug 31, 2020 20:40
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I'm glad I solved the "comparing QBs across generations" debate, you guys are welcome. Now, back to why Tony Romo was better than Eli Manning.
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Aug 31, 2020 20:59
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Doltos posted:Not my assertion at all. Boxing is an example of pads allowing participants to hit harder. You hit harder because it hurts you less to hit harder ergo anyone arguing against that has either not gotten into a fight or doesn't understand the simple concept of hitting people hurts. People aren't hitting harder in boxing. They hit softer. People don't punch to the head as often in bareknuckle matches because they break their hands more often, so strategy is different. They don't hit softer. Bareknuckle punches are significantly harder and lead to more knockouts. Similarly, people do not box the same in MMA as they do in traditional boxing.
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Aug 31, 2020 21:03
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blarzgh posted:I'm glad I solved the "comparing QBs across generations" debate, you guys are welcome. Nah. This is the bare knuckle boxing thread.
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Aug 31, 2020 21:12
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Mr. Nice! posted:People aren't hitting harder in boxing. They hit softer. People don't punch to the head as often in bareknuckle matches because they break their hands more often, so strategy is different. They don't hit softer. Bareknuckle punches are significantly harder and lead to more knockouts. Similarly, people do not box the same in MMA as they do in traditional boxing. This is semantics then because in my mind being able to repeatedly deliver blows to someone's head harder than you would if you had no gloves means gloves hit harder. It's not that a padded blow vs an unpadded blow is the crux of the argument, it's that put into actual settings the pads enable someone to do a lot more damage over a longer period of time. I apologize if that was unclear but I really do believe that improved pads, along with people being smarter/better/faster/stronger, means that people getting hit in today's game are taking way more damage than the people in past generations. This is despite the advent of better understandings of anatomy and physiology.
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Aug 31, 2020 21:16
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blarzgh posted:Now, back to why Mark Rypien was better than Eli Manning. efWFT
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Aug 31, 2020 21:34
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Doltos posted:in my mind Doltos posted:you're so obsessed with numbers that you think Doltos posted:I don't care what the stats say, I watched enough Doltos posted:When I say Romo doesn't do anything to stand out to me and that he was an average QB or that Eli did things that stood out to me and that he was a great QB it's the same leap of logic. It involves ignoring numbers and going off of eye test. Here is everyone's issue with trying to discuss things with you: you openly admit that you have no foundation for your claims other than what you feel is true. Feelings are unfalsifiable: I can't ever prove that you Don't feel a certain way. That means you aren't discussing or debating your points, you're proselytizing your sports beliefs. But you also don't admit that, either to yourself, or to the thread. Doltos posted:I'm still right You claim, on the one hand, that your opinions are unbiased. You claim, on the other hand, that your opinions are based purely on your subjective emotions. If you would like to disabuse me of this notion, then try this: Offer up what fact (or set of facts) would change your mind that Troy Aikman was a better quarterback than Eli Manning. If your opinions are truly unbiased, then you will concede that there is something that will convince you that you are wrong?
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Aug 31, 2020 23:00
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Doltos posted:It's killed more people for a variety of reasons that go beyond getting punched in the head. Again in those articles you refuse to read they covered it, same with a simple google. Grappling and throwing was allowed back in the days which resulted in fighters hitting their heads against objects, the medical care was worse, and people fought til exhaustion, not knock downs. Guy arguing that stats can be directly compared between different eras with different equipment and different levels of athleticism: actually there’s a lot of nuance when looking at numbers about old timey bare knuckle boxing when being Irish was seen as a superpower
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Aug 31, 2020 23:05
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I'm getting talked down to for using the eye test by a guy who needs a scholarly article to tell him draft grades are unreliable
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Aug 31, 2020 23:25
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So, can you answer his question?
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Aug 31, 2020 23:32
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Phobeste posted:Guy arguing that stats can be directly compared between different eras with different equipment and different levels of athleticism: actually there’s a lot of nuance when looking at numbers about old timey bare knuckle boxing when being Irish was seen as a superpower It actually is a superpower though??
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Aug 31, 2020 23:40
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the only Irish superpower is that it's ok to be racist against them
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Aug 31, 2020 23:42
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Mr. Nice! posted:So, can you answer his question? Well since Eli has better regular season stats and threw away way less games in the playoffs and the only reply I got to that was different era I'd say if he could actually watch and bring up tape that shows Troy throwing more powerfully or more accurately than Eli then I'd probably give him a head nod. Until then I don't know what Blarzgh wants other than for me to join the horrible hive mind that thinks a two time winning super bowl QB got lucky.
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Aug 31, 2020 23:48
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Doltos posted:Well since Eli has better regular season stats and threw away way less games in the playoffs and the only reply I got to that was different era I'd say if he could actually watch and bring up tape that shows Troy throwing more powerfully or more accurately than Eli then I'd probably give him a head nod. Until then I don't know what Blarzgh wants other than for me to join the horrible hive mind that thinks a two time winning super bowl QB got lucky. I'm pretty sure Aikman's defining characteristics were his arm strength and accuracy. I'm going to go watch some Aikman highlights.
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Aug 31, 2020 23:51
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God drat just put him on ignore already And also stop quoting him.
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Aug 31, 2020 23:51
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BiggerBoat posted:God drat just put him on ignore already This is a wonderful distraction from the world don't you dare take this away from me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf14OMrx21Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7CX0JkHbO4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MQqFdT87d4 e: the second video is a recording of a video and sucks. Mr. Nice! fucked around with this message at 23:57 on Aug 31, 2020 |
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Aug 31, 2020 23:54
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I've been convinced by this thread that live sports are the reason people no longer duel over nothing
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Aug 31, 2020 23:56
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Raku posted:I've been convinced by this thread that live sports are the reason people no longer duel over nothing ahem, my friend, people still very much are boxing in backyards just like at kimbo's place.
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Sep 1, 2020 00:00
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BiggerBoat posted:God drat just put him on ignore already You've added nothing to this thread besides getting extremely mad. It would be nice if you left and re-evaluated yourself. Mr. Nice! posted:This is a wonderful distraction from the world don't you dare take this away from me. These are three highlight videos in a row but I'm glad you're going down the right route of watching players and evaluating for yourself.
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Sep 1, 2020 00:07
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deedee megadoodoo posted:You’d think that people would have figured out Doltos gimmick by now.
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Sep 1, 2020 00:15
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BiggerBoat posted:God drat just put him on ignore already  Here’s some quality content relevant to the thread: https://youtu.be/0ceL-diMKb8
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Sep 1, 2020 00:39
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fartknocker posted:
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Sep 1, 2020 01:07
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That fat guy could move
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I am glad Dan Snyder's problems continue to mount as the days pass on with the NFL finally stepping in to check on that disaster of a front office out in DC. Now when they do nothing of note then
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euphronius posted:That fat guy could move Turn on your monitor
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