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Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible



The last fire in Hell was because of when The Bounty Killer (The Saint before he was The Saint) was sent to Hell for killing an innocent, his hate at the loss of his family and his lack of revenge was so strong that Hell began to freeze over. The Bounty Killer then made a deal with the Devil and the Angel of Death (after the Devil scourged the flesh from his body in an attempt to drive the hate out), that he would become the new Angel of Death, and leave Hell, allowing the fires to burn once again, in exchange for killing the men who delayed him in returning to his family, and had killed him on Earth.

The Devil sewed up the Saint's skin (leaving his mark upon him), and they found the last fire burning in Hell and melted down the Angel of Death's sword, forging out of it two Walker Colt revolvers, that would have hammers that never fell on empty chambers, that would never miss their aim, and their shots that would always be fatal.* He was also so fast with them that no one could see him draw them. There was no shooting tunnels through the world, etc, and no one could even cause him to mis-aim (as evidenced at Masada, when a Grail captain described to Starr Grail troops "hanging off his arms" and yet he's still not missing a shot)

The only other "power" we see is when Jesse confronts The Saint at Ratwater, where the Saint was killed in the 1800s. The Saint hands Jesse one of his guns, and tells him to "look", and Jesse sees the spirits of everyone in Ratwater that the Saint killed on the night he left Hell.


*In the first storyarc, the Saint shoots Cassidy through the chest, but Cassidy, being a vampire, survives. Garth Ennis said if he did it over, he would remove that scene (since Cassidy can survive it, but other beings can't?)


Also, what differs in the comic than the TV show, is the power of Genesis. In the comic, it forces anyone who Jesse uses it on to obey his command. But only if they could understand him. So if they didn't speak English, or couldn't hear him, it had no effect. It also didn't work on animals, and he couldn't send people to Hell like he did with Arseface.

Re: the finale.

Yeah, that was a bit of let down. The comic did it much better with Jesse and Tulip riding off in the sunset. And Starr not getting away with it. And The Saint/God confrontation was better in the comic (though the finale was similar, there was a few things the comic did better)

Davros1 fucked around with this message at 03:02 on Oct 6, 2019

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Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Also if I recall correctly, the Saint being immune to Genesis was purely a television only thing. I remember Jesse and the Saint's first meeting in the comics being Jesse using The Word on The Saint who just glares with bottomless hatred at him as he's forced to comply. Making him immune in the television show gave an interesting dimension to Jesse not being able to rely on The Word to get him out of trouble, but it also kind of downplayed just how ridiculously powerful Genesis is supposed to be (as demonstrated by the way he uses it on God in the finale).

datajugend
Jan 15, 2010

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:
When the Saint shot a tunnel through the planet, shouldnt he have killed earth? Plothooole

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

datajugend posted:

When the Saint shot a tunnel through the planet, shouldnt he have killed earth? Plothooole

FINALLY indisputable proof of the cause of climate change!

pile of brown
Dec 31, 2004

Andrigaar posted:

I forget how they explained the Saint's guns in the TV show, but in the comic (Saint's origin mini) they're reforged from the Angel of Death's sword in hellfire (the last one for some reason), effectively making them absurdly magical. That let them hand wave most of the impossible aspects as they're divine.

So if you have any "Wait--what?" moments, the writers will probably just say something like that and try to change the subject.


They took a lot of this logic to the TV show, but I can't remember if they explained much of it or offered enough of their own reimagining of the origin/rules for anyone who didn't read it or check the character notes on a wiki. They probably didn't.

They never explain the provenance of the guns other than that they are the same guns he always had, but when Tulip tried to fire one she can't and when they try to smelt them in a foundry they didn't even get hot, so they are clearly meant to be magical in some way.

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