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yeah the roman version of the MIC is soldiers demanding war to get paid and leaders giving it to them to stay on top, even if its against rome itself.
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indigi posted:in a lot of late Renaissance-early modern English sources about beer brewing you'll see "barleycorn" used almost exclusively. corn just meant the starchy thing at the end of grain stalks and barley/wheat/oat was an additional descriptor barleycorn mention! https://youtu.be/icyPFsIcAV0?si=mY4J7vEWPWgqixo7
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Frosted Flake posted:There are two strains of nobility that coalesce in Late Antiquity, develop in the Early Middle Ages, and are fully expressed in the Medieval period, and I would need to know which you mean before I can recommend anything since there are monographs about either, but they're distinct until they come together in Francia/Bulgaria/Syria/Spain in the 600's : So I take it when you talk about barbarians here you mean barbarians who migrated into the empire rather than be conquered by the empire, so excluding the trouser wearers of places like Gaul. To what extent was there this same merger of Roman and barbarian institutions in these conquered peoples? If the Romans made a habit of subverting local elites, was this then wholly within Roman power structures? You mentioned romanized military families from the Balkans, were these fellows descended from Illyrian nobility and to what extent did they maintain their traditional social structures?
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Roman policy in Gaul was extremely heavy handed, but among other Celtic people in Britain, Spain and Galatia they were more willing to work something out and more of the material culture survived Romanization. Still, establishing colonies and “industrializing”, for lack of a better word, the Celtic world was a major driver of the economy of the principate. In Illyria and Dacia, they didn’t really see much they wanted to take from the culture, but they also didn’t settle too thick on the ground, comparatively, and like the Venetians, Austrians and producers of Game and Thrones, were mostly interested in the Croatian coastline. So you have Gallic social structures obliterated, for the most point, Celtic ones assimilating into a dominant Roman culture elsewhere, and Balkan cultures being tolerated because they produced a military elite, though Zalmoxis and the rest of the Balkan pantheon is absorbed into aspects of Zeus and Mars. Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 02:31 on Feb 11, 2024 |
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the gallic nobility in particular continued to have a large number of native gauls whose ancestors had been roman collaborators at one point or another in the conquest, though. the aristocratic gallic identity remained very distinct throughout the entire imperial period even as they romanized almost completely. by the end they're basically romans that wear pants and have funny mustaches but the pants and mustaches mattered both to them and to the italian romans
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throughout de bello gallico we see caesar divide gauls into clear social castes of collaborator nobility in tension with a fickle and fractious plebian class that chafes under occupation. the nobility have deep bonds to caesar, constantly - at least in casaers self interested account - extolling his beneficia towards them, but to maintain power over the angry mob the nobles will double cross roman lieutenants when caesar is called away on business and they can afford to forget their obligations
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im watching a documentary that advances the argument that africans were in america before europeans one piece of evidence being presented is that when the spanish first arrived in panama there were already ethiopians there how credible is this argument also the guy is saying there were smaller boats used to make the trip that the spanish destroyed to suppress the knowledge that small business owners could make the transatlantic trip so as maintain the dominance of the industry known as big boat
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Some Guy TT posted:im watching a documentary that advances the argument that africans were in america before europeans one piece of evidence being presented is that when the spanish first arrived in panama there were already ethiopians there how credible is this argument
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its actually nice to see a documentary discussing actual african kings like mansa musa instead of hotep bullshit but i dunno what to make of its african fleet going to america hypothesis olmec art seeming to have african influences is something id vaguely heard of before but i dunno if that really rises to the level of evidence supporting the theory
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Some Guy TT posted:im watching a documentary that advances the argument that africans were in america before europeans one piece of evidence being presented is that when the spanish first arrived in panama there were already ethiopians there how credible is this argument The Spanish called Maya and Aztec temples "Mosques", and referred to their religion as "that of the Muslims" fairly often, were prone to call the darker people of the Caribbean like the Taíno "Moors". By Ethiopians they meant "strange people". Remember Aethiopia was basically considered as fantastical as the Kingdom of Prester John until the Portuguese started establishing a permanent trading presence in the Indian Ocean and Red Sea.
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It's been a theory floating around for a while. Thor Heyerdahl famously built a boat using West African techniques and tried to sail to the Americas, even making it the second time. Unfortunately without any physical or genetic evidence it's always going to remain a theory based on perceived similarities between art forms.
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Some Guy TT posted:im watching a documentary that advances the argument that africans were in america before europeans one piece of evidence being presented is that when the spanish first arrived in panama there were already ethiopians there how credible is this argument if anybody from africa beat whitey in reaching america it seems unlikely that they would have been from the landlocked country on the wrong side of the continent
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sullat posted:It's been a theory floating around for a while. Thor Heyerdahl famously built a boat using West African techniques and tried to sail to the Americas, even making it the second time. Unfortunately without any physical or genetic evidence it's always going to remain a theory based on perceived similarities between art forms. lmao thor's boat and goal was polynesian in focus. it had nothing to do with africa. and polynesian sailing culture was sophisticated and widespread because of the pacific, compared to the geology of the atlantic which doesn't have thousands of loving islands everywhere, rewarding anyone with a catamaran and some dried coconut
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i say swears online posted:lmao thor's boat and goal was polynesian in focus. it had nothing to do with africa. and polynesian sailing culture was sophisticated and widespread because of the pacific, compared to the geology of the atlantic which doesn't have thousands of loving islands everywhere, rewarding anyone with a catamaran and some dried coconut He had a number of projects; you are thinking of Kon-Tiki but there was Ra (Africa to America) and a third one (Iraq to Egypt).
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well those weren't episodes of tiny toon adventures
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im thinking this thor guy was just looking for excuses to go sailing
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Mr. Sharps posted:im thinking this thor guy was just looking for excuses to go sailing Well he was married, wasn't he? 
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Some Guy TT posted:its actually nice to see a documentary discussing actual african kings like mansa musa instead of hotep bullshit but i dunno what to make of its african fleet going to america hypothesis olmec culture started 3600 years ago, so that'd require a really early ocean-faring african culture and it'd need a lot of evidence to support it. the cape verde islands were uninhabited until the portuguese showed up and those are like right there off the coast also, while poking around wikipedia, apparently it's now hypothesized that the norse settled the azores for about 150 years between 700 and 850 due to the fact that the azores mouse population is closest related to sweden's mouse population and there is evidence of brush clearing and animal husbandry in core samples from that time period.
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Cerebral Bore posted:if anybody from africa beat whitey in reaching america it seems unlikely that they would have been from the landlocked country on the wrong side of the continent The Ethiopian empire historically controlled what us now Eritrea, so they used to have a long coast towards the red sea. Still on the wrong side of the massive continent though.
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As has been mentioned, the closest of any of these to having some substantiation is the possibility of the Polynesians making contact with either Chile or Peru. I believe the evidence for that is some sort of plant species, either extant or in the archaeological record. A problem with that is that in the past it's been discovered that plants and animals that could "never" spread across vast distances on their own actually did have natural mechanisms for doing so - famously the Bering land bridge, but also some seeds have been proven to be transmitted by sea birds, I believe other things can float further than was imagined, etc.
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CN CREW-VESSEL posted:As has been mentioned, the closest of any of these to having some substantiation is the possibility of the Polynesians making contact with either Chile or Peru. I believe the evidence for that is some sort of plant species, either extant or in the archaeological record. A problem with that is that in the past it's been discovered that plants and animals that could "never" spread across vast distances on their own actually did have natural mechanisms for doing so - famously the Bering land bridge, but also some seeds have been proven to be transmitted by sea birds, I believe other things can float further than was imagined, etc. It's the aracuana chicken.
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CN CREW-VESSEL posted:As has been mentioned, the closest of any of these to having some substantiation is the possibility of the Polynesians making contact with either Chile or Peru. I believe the evidence for that is some sort of plant species, either extant or in the archaeological record. A problem with that is that in the past it's been discovered that plants and animals that could "never" spread across vast distances on their own actually did have natural mechanisms for doing so - famously the Bering land bridge, but also some seeds have been proven to be transmitted by sea birds, I believe other things can float further than was imagined, etc.
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Yea the monkey thing is hugely fascinating to me. Sad that we'll never really know how that went down.
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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PittTheElder posted:Yea the monkey thing is hugely fascinating to me. Sad that we'll never really know how that went down. Apparently these natural rafts can support living plants https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OwfGunvPXA
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Remember in the 1930s when a Roman statue head was unearthed in South or Central America
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What about the Egyptian hieroglyphics in Australia, did they ever get debunked
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They're a loving disgrace mate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30jMvj4L_jo
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Serious question, how do any of you manage to sit through a video that starts with 'hi guys my name is X and welcome to y'
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Slavvy posted:Serious question, how do any of you manage to sit through a video that starts with 'hi guys my name is X and welcome to y' its pretty easy its like 5 seconds in fact many video start out with an introduction!
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i watch them at work or while i do nonograms on my phone high
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Archduke Frantz Fanon posted:its pretty easy its like 5 seconds That introduction is just a promise of further agony for me I think I just don't do well with explainer videos
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Slavvy posted:Serious question, how do any of you manage to sit through a video that starts with 'hi guys my name is X and welcome to y' I don't it would be so much easier if these jerks would just write a couple of posts summarizing their video so we wouldn't have to waste half an hour listening them yammer on.
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sullat posted:I don't it would be so much easier if these jerks would just write a couple of posts summarizing their video so we wouldn't have to waste half an hour listening them yammer on. Yeah this That doesn't get you sweet sweet views tho
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to summarise the video, the glyphs are hilariously amateur carvings that according to primary sources increase in number as the site becomes more well known and visited going from "a few" to "walls of"; none of the hieroglyphs make meaningful sentences; and, it's embarrassing anyone ever took them seriously.
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Oh So just Australia things
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and the park ranger that first found them also caught an old man making them. analysis of the carved hieroglyphics suggest they were made with a dremmel. they only gained notoriety because one of the guys selling books about it shares the first name, middle initial, and last name with a well known and highly respected egyptologist which was enough for people to get confused and sell books then get it featured on some of the history channel shows where they present fraud stuff as if it were real.
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Also when they were first discovered the hieroglyphs still looked like freshly scored/exposed rock with no weathering on them.
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sullat posted:It's been a theory floating around for a while. Thor Heyerdahl famously built a boat using West African techniques and tried to sail to the Americas, even making it the second time. Unfortunately without any physical or genetic evidence it's always going to remain a theory based on perceived similarities between art forms. wouldn’t any serious contact with west Africans spread a lot of the same diseases that Europeans did?
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