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exquisite tea posted:We could be in a new Matrix, with Neo surviving as some kind of rogue program in the same way the Merovingian was implied to be a remnant from the second version with vampires and poo poo. If I had to get people hyped to see another Matrix film though I’d probably drop all the wordy lore from the sequels, but would Lana Wachowski do the same? I honestly don’t know! This works for Neo but Trinity was...quite dead . Dunno how they plausibly bring her back
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clean ayers act posted:This works for Neo but Trinity was...quite dead . Dunno how they plausibly bring her back Her "residual self-image" could maybe be recovered from all the deleted data left behind from the previous Matrix and re-coded by a new character to be inserted back into the new Matrix as a program.
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Or she turns up in the matrix, they quickly suspect that she's just a program created to look like her, but it gets thorny when they realise she is very similar and conscious -- even if she's not exactly 'their' Trinity, how similar does she have to be to merit the name? They respect? The right to live at all?
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Basebf555 posted:maybe a new threat appears that forces The Source to re-upload him to fight for it again inside The Matrix. They got another virus on their hands... The Matrix: Avast
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Aug 22, 2019 06:32
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Neo and Trinity being more in the background while a new cast does stuff in the Matrix would be nice. (But I doubt it’ll happen)
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Aug 22, 2019 06:38
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Lana and Lilly haven’t had a falling out, have they? Seems weird only Lana is working on stuff lately.
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Pirate Jet posted:Lana and Lilly haven’t had a falling out, have they? Seems weird only Lana is working on stuff lately. I haven't heard about anything like that but for a while there it seemed like they were sliding more and more towards a semi-retirement so maybe there's some disagreement there about how to proceed with their careers.
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ZZZorcerer posted:Neo and Trinity being more in the background while a new cast does stuff in the Matrix would be nice. (But I doubt it’ll happen) You don't pay Keanu Reeves and Carrie Anne Moss's giant salaries (particularly Keanu) for them to be bit players. For the Matrix sequels, he was making $15 million per film plus 15% of the GROSS.
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Nail Rat posted:You don't pay Keanu Reeves and Carrie Anne Moss's giant salaries (particularly Keanu) for them to be bit players. There's no reason to assume he'd demand that kind of money for a small role, and in recent years he's consistently said he'd gladly participate in a Matrix sequel if the Wackowskis were involved. I have no doubt that if he read the script and thought it was good, he'd be happy with whatever the story demanded of him and would ask appropriate money for it. He's done several smaller parts in recent years where he obviously wasn't being paid 15 million(The Bad Batch and Neon Demon come to mind).
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TrixRabbi posted:still worth calling out that it's bullshit, hack, and OP can gently caress off Maybe this isn't the thread for this kind of question, but what is the correct way to talk about the Wachowskis post transition? I saw the second matrix on Netflix (I think) and the movie description/credits referred specifically to them as "the Wachowski brothers." Obviously they're not going to reedit the movie to change the names in the credits but I found it strange that they didn't bother to update the text description. Like I'm sure the description was written at a time before they publicly transitioned so the writer isn't intentionally misgendering them. Is it more correct to say something like: the Wachowski brothers directed the first matrix and now they are sisters, or that the Wachowski sisters directed the first matrix and they were never brothers? Or do you just skirt the question and call them the Wachowskis? I'm asking in good faith just so I understand better how to talk about it. Anyway, I'm very excited for the new Matrix and kind of hope they take it in a completely different direction. While a 90s throwback with shiny leather and sunglasses might be fun, I'd also like to see something more along the lines of Sense8.
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God I fucking love Diablo 3 gold, it even paid for this shitty title
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pogothemonkey0 posted:I'm asking in good faith just so I understand better how to talk about it. The answer is that there's not uniformity among people who are trans as to how they relate to themselves pre-transition, so there's no rule or standard in any general sense. It's pretty common for people to want their preferred pronoun/label applied retroactively (the Wachowski Sisters, even if they were male-identified at the time), but others either don't care or feel strongly the other way: they are who they are NOW but were not in the past. You'd have to ask the Wackowskis their preference. I'm not even sure if they prefer "Sisters" today, because they're also quite vocal about nonbinary or genderqueer identity, as well.
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CelticPredator posted:The wachowski sisters or the wachowski’s You don’t use an apostrophe to make things plural 
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pocket pool posted:The plot of which was lifted almost entirely from some book. It wasn’t but don’t let not even knowing what book you’re referring to slow you down
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pogothemonkey0 posted:Anyway, I'm very excited for the new Matrix and kind of hope they take it in a completely different direction. While a 90s throwback with shiny leather and sunglasses might be fun, I'd also like to see something more along the lines of Sense8. It had better be full-on leather and vinyl late 90s goth-industrial, because i'm sick of faux-80s/early 90s hyper-saturated color spaces in entertainment. Bring back trenchcoats and combat boots imo
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Are there any recent movies that are creating tomorrow's tired visual effects imagery the way the Matrix did when it came out? Also, I hope Matrix 4 is as visually creative as the original was. I'll forgive a poo poo story if it's another feast for the eyes. e. I mean the special effects side of things specifically, not just cool fight choreography.
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DeimosRising posted:It wasn’t but don’t let not even knowing what book you’re referring to slow you down It was actually lifted from an episode of Doctor Who starring Tom Baker.
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I wonder if this can also be seen as an attempt by Lana to reclaim some of the lost messages that were horribly warped over the years thanks to the whole "red pill," movement. A friend stated that for them, the whole lobby scene is way more chilling when you see in a contemporary lens. The whole concept of being hardwired into The Matrix making you a potential agent that can turn at any time, and how that leads to shootouts with cops, security guards, swat, etc, is harder for them to watch. I do agree with the concept that the sequels were an attempt to reframe the original by having the equivalent of god say, "Hey Neo, guess what? We know humans are violent by nature, we knew you'd always fight back, so we built-in controls to make sure that you'd always lose if you guys went to war with us." (I know the movie is over ten years old, but you never know) Knowing nothing about what's going to happen though, I'm optimistic. Only because I love Keanu and Carrie-Ann. ItWasMoida fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Aug 23, 2019 |
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It’s about the next incarnation of Neo, played by Cary-Ann Moss. Keanu plays her Trinity.
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The thing is, the lobby scene was pretty loving shocking at the time too. Like, the movie coming out so soon after Columbine and having that scene is why its theatrical release got kind of buried. I feel like it mostly sank into pop culture as Cool Action Scene rather than Creepy Mass Murder Scene because a large chunk of people who saw it were kids. The Matrix was probably the last dying gasp of the mentality that gave us Alien toys and a Rambo cartoon.
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:The thing is, the lobby scene was pretty loving shocking at the time too. Like, the movie coming out so soon after Columbine and having that scene is why its theatrical release got kind of buried.
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Yeah, I thought a lot of the "Harris and Klebold wore trench coats" observations by media talking heads pointed the blame squarely at The Matrix, which means that twenty years later there's a non zero chance the 24-hour news cycle will try to correlate a new Matrix movie with the next mass shooting
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Peaceful Anarchy posted:It didn't get buried, it was a big hit, and also the movie came out 3 weeks before Columbine. Uh yeah The Matrix is one of the highest grossing R films ever made and was immediately, profoundly influential to pop culture in a way few original movies are. Its theatrical release was definitely not buried lol.
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ElectricSheep posted:Yeah, I thought a lot of the "Harris and Klebold wore trench coats" observations by media talking heads pointed the blame squarely at The Matrix, which means that twenty years later there's a non zero chance the 24-hour news cycle will try to correlate a new Matrix movie with the next mass shooting yeah but its harder to get the media interested in mass shootings these days.
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clean ayers act posted:This works for Neo but Trinity was...quite dead . Dunno how they plausibly bring her back In the MMO (which was canon, apparently) it was eventually revealed that Neo and Trinity both originated from research into humans and machine code directly interfacing (i.e. without using the matrix). Most of the third film is spent beating you over the head with the idea that there's no real difference between a human mind and a simulated one, so someone being "resurrected" from the matrix certainly isn't out of the question. I would also be down for the Wachowskis ignoring as much of the previous canon as they want.
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Just do the matrix now again but now the humans have infected the robots with memes.
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Party Boat posted:In the MMO (which was canon, apparently) it was eventually revealed that Neo and Trinity both originated from research into humans and machine code directly interfacing (i.e. without using the matrix). Most of the third film is spent beating you over the head with the idea that there's no real difference between a human mind and a simulated one, so someone being "resurrected" from the matrix certainly isn't out of the question. Both of those seem pretty solid options.
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The hallway scene shocked me when I watched it because it wasn’t lost on me these were just regular human schmoes doing their jobs when superhuman S&M mercenaries showed up and murdered them. The film doesn’t really linger on it too much but it is horrifying The way this movie should handle Neo and Trinity living is the Mad Max option. gently caress the canon and how the last movie ended, this is justt another tale in the mythology of these two larger than life legends. Don’t even acknowledge the break in continuity
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exquisite tea posted:Uh yeah The Matrix is one of the highest grossing R films ever made and was immediately, profoundly influential to pop culture in a way few original movies are. Its theatrical release was definitely not buried lol. Yes. I can think of few movies with such an obvious impact, at least stylistically or aesthetically, on popular media that followed. It was goddamn everywhere in the early 2000's, either earnestly in action films that sought to emulate it, or just pop-culturally from parodies and references (in anything from Shrek to sketch comedy to literally Bollywood films.) It was a surprisingly huge deal. It definitely was not buried by Columbine or anything, I mean to say.
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I remember basically nothing about the third one other than it was terrible, did they ever explain how he stopped the sentinals at the end of the 2nd one?
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Matrix had huge influence in games, one decade of shooters using bullet time
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The Glumslinger posted:I remember basically nothing about the third one other than it was terrible, did they ever explain how he stopped the sentinals at the end of the 2nd one? He was connected to the source after passing through the door to the source and visiting the architect.
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I always thought the cleanest explanation was that they were never really outside of the Matrix the whole time. It was just another program to trick resistant humans into fighting a fake enemy. They need to go like one or two levels deeper before they truely wake up.
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Matrixception? Sure, why not. It's a bit cheesy but the original premise was "what if we're in a simulation, man" except done with incredible style.
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 okay what the hell movie was I thinking of then? I know there was at least one big action movie that came out at a really bad time related to Columbine, kind of tanked in theaters, and then found its following on DVD harder than anyone ever could have possibly figured, and I thought it was The Matrix but it seems I'm wrong.Equilibrium or Boondock Saints maybe? e: I was thinking of loving Boondock Saints 
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:I always thought the cleanest explanation was that they were never really outside of the Matrix the whole time. It was just another program to trick resistant humans into fighting a fake enemy. They need to go like one or two levels deeper before they truely wake up. While I disagree that they don't leave the simulation, you're basically right that they never leave the Matrix. It's worth casting your mind back to the first film where Morpheus tells us what the Matrix is: "Control." The Architect tells Neo that minds unwilling to accept the simulation destabilise it. The Zion resistance, therefore, performs a valuable service for the machines by identifying these minds and pulling them out of the simulation. For this, they're allowed to exist until their numbers grow too large, at which point the machines wipe almost all of them out and they start again. So while awakened minds leave the simulation, they're always within the system of control that the Matrix represents. This is all that the film has to say about why Neo can control machines in the real world: quote:Neo: Tell me how I separated my mind from my body without jacking in. Tell me how I stopped four sentinels by thinking it. Tell me just what the hell is happening to me.
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Party Boat posted:This is all that the film has to say about why Neo can control machines in the real world: What the hell is that supposed to even mean? It's pseudo christian drivel.
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:pseudo christian drivel Ah, now you truly know what the Matrix is.
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:What the hell is that supposed to even mean? It's pseudo christian drivel. Think of it like wi-fi, I mean, it makes sense that the Sentinels can communicate with The Source wirelessly right? Why not The One, if he is truly of The Source and was created by The Source?
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