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breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat
Holy poo poo you're so loving old

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breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat
If Neo and Trinity are clones and have implanted memories what would stop the machines from just going organic; ergo, the civil war is because of a big U-turn vis-à-vis the Architect's original plan: "There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept."

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat
It's not often you see silence used like that in a trailer but I liked it.

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat
How come nobody here is talking about Niobe? :(

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat
It was so weird, after Mouse in the first movie talks about how nobody can be sure if anything in the Matrix is authentic because they rely on machine interpretation, that the General gleefully exclaims they have recreated tasty fruits based on Matrix DNA code.

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat
There's no reason to eat a strawberry when a bowl of grey snot provides everything the body needs.

Maybe more important than the qualia of consuming a machine strawberry is the implications of sourcing your produce from a regime you are wholly morally opposed to for their exploitative practices. Liberalism analogy etc

Accompanying image: machines torturing people to figure out their brains from animatrix

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat

clean ayers act posted:

My GF and i did a full trilogy rewatch in prep for the new one. I forgot just how little fighting their actually is in the original. You basically have morpeheus vs neo, morpheus vs smith and neo vs smith, all of which are fairly short. Meanwhile every fight in reloaded drags on and on , and loses any tension because its not like Neo is at risk at any point

The non-firearm fight scenes are also completely shite in resurrections

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat

checkplease posted:

At the end of the matrix 2, Neo learns that his Messiah tale has been coopted as a system of control. But he likely still has the ideal of freeing everyone in the matrix and stopping the machines.

In Resurrections, Neo has by now seen that Man, Machine, Program are all equivalent life and have a right to exist. An uneasy peace has been formed with IO being the utopia city and the machines still have a matrix for their power source. At the end of the film, Neo and Trinity do not seek to end the Matrix or free all from it. They learn that they can also not remove the Analyst. Instead they promise simply to use their great power to make it a better matrix. Rainbow skies and all.

Here it seems its an acceptance of capitalism but of the social democracy flavor. This won't be a total free market with the invisible hand of the Analyst ruling it all. This will be the matrix of universal healthcare and affordable housing.

Neo had already learned that machines had individual self-determination in Reloaded and that they have a right to exist is fully reinforced by Revolutions in the Mobil Ave scene. It's actually worse when we see that in IO, machines are forced to live in the human domain. If IO was an egalitarian society it should have been a mix of the real and virtual, a place where programs and people can live, have relationships and work together in the caves or in digital constructs.

The ending of Resurrections is the "paradise" Matrix that Smith described in the first movie in which everything will likely collapse again making the conclusion even more farcical than the rainbow "no meaningful change to the economy" ending of Revolutions.

I'm fully pushing that Matrix 4 is worse than any of the trilogy now.

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat
Human beings retain their DSI when they enter a construct, however programs have to drastically alter their appearance to even exist in the real world. So there is no compromise when it comes to how they coexist despite the fact that programs have gifted humanity with food that is substantially more enjoyable than a bowl of grey mush. Doesn't Morpheus even say that the rest of the crew just leave him alone in the dojo construct and Neo is the first to visit.

The ending is kind of like the book ending of Dune except there is no agenda that won't lead to everything collapsing despite the fact that the film tries to present a positively ambiguous conclusion. The Suits have the power cord, but pulling it will cause them to lose entire crops of humans. Trinity and Neo have the keys to the Matrix, but we know eventually that if they don't hand back control the whole thing is going to collapse and everyone will die anyway. This is reinforced simultaneously by Smith in the first movie saying the T and N's vision of how to remake the Matrix will lead to catastrophe and the Analyst explicitly laying out that the power output dropping below a certain level will force the hand of the Suits.

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat
Everyone exists in the same endlessly repeating city map with different skins and hapazardly placed cherry blossom trees, Mt. Fujis or Big Bens.

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat
The decision to splice in actual footage from the 1999 film into Resurrections like the movie has to generate trailer-tier sequel hype while your sweaty arse is already firmly in the cinema seat is bafflingly embarrasing for Lana.

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat

Alchenar posted:

I think those shots also really draw out how the 'return to the Matrix' action sequences are a tier below the earlier sequences. Everything visually interesting is happening in the first half.

e: the smith flight can hardly be called 'prolonged'. It's over pretty quickly.

I've already forgotten where that scene took place except 'probably not a subway'.

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat
Smith just wants to kill everyone in the Matrix. But they are also of no value to the unplugged. The only people of value worth unplugging are people who have come to share Morpheus' desire in "freedom" from a "system".

Smith wants what Neo wanted in the first Matrix. But Neo, having been indoctrinated by wealth and power, then wants to preserve and reform the system instead by Revolutions.

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breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat

precision posted:

nah, as bad as Resurrections was, it was much better than 3 imho ITT

Revolutions has some memorable scenes and at least a few interesting things going on. Matrix 21 directly tells the viewer it sucks poo poo and isn't worth thinking about.

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