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Incredible that they did literally the opposite of what they should have with historic, which was make it cheaper to get cards for the stillborn weirdo format no one will want to play Cool that they'll be sprinkling in relevant older cards though. Can include cool modern cards without having to spend effort on implementing unplayable chaff.
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Aug 29, 2019 19:26
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Hellsau posted:it would cost me literally thousands of dollars to play Arena instead how exactly are you calculating that
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Aug 29, 2019 19:27
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No no no you see, Historic is much more daunting for new players to grasp than Standard, so it's better to gently nudge them towards the rotating format that requires them to buy new cards. It's for their own good, really.
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Aug 29, 2019 19:28
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flatluigi posted:how exactly are you calculating that Well I think his argument is that he actually makes money off MTGO so if he were to try playing arena he would have to buy cards. If he's as good as he says, he could likely go infinite in Arena after an initial buy-in. Even for me, someone who's pretty bad and buys packs every expansion, I haven't reached nearly as high as $1000.
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Aug 29, 2019 19:31
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Sampatrick posted:They really do just want everyone to play standard It's been the best format for like 5 years so it's not surprising that's their goal. The wildcard system would be somewhat tolerable if they allow a crafting system that allows the turning of commons into uncommons, rares, mythics. As someone who dabbled in arena since day 1 I have like 300 common wildcards that will never get cashed in as well as 200+ uncommons. TheKingofSprings posted:Modern is literally fine right now Lol that people think this 80s James Hetfield fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Aug 29, 2019 |
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Aug 29, 2019 19:33
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Tainen posted:https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-digital/mtg-arena-state-beta-august-29-2019#Historic Wow they really did the stupidest loving thing possible.
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Aug 29, 2019 19:44
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80s James Hetfield posted:It's been the best format for like 5 years so it's not surprising that's their goal. LOL. Yeah it was great when they banned Smuggler's Copter, Emrakul, Reflector Mage, Felidar Guardian, Aetherworks Marvel, Attune with Aether, Rogue Refiner, Ramunap Ruins, Rampaging Ferocidon, Nexus of Fate in BO1 Arena. Been a great 5 years for standard.
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flatluigi posted:how exactly are you calculating that moush posted:Well I think his argument is that he actually makes money off MTGO so if he were to try playing arena he would have to buy cards. If he's as good as he says, he could likely go infinite in Arena after an initial buy-in. Even for me, someone who's pretty bad and buys packs every expansion, I haven't reached nearly as high as $1000. Yeah it's this. I've made about 2000 tix since the London Mulligan was reimplemented on MTGO on July 2nd. If I were to have played Arena, I wouldn't have a cash-out option, and I likely would have had to buy a couple hundred bucks in packs since I hate bot drafts and my Arena account hasn't seen use since just after WAR came out.
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:lmaoing imagining them extending this principle to paper. Now you need two copies of any card you want to play. Put them in the same sleeve. You better believe during deck checks judges will be making sure you didn’t sleeve your four Stoneforge mystics on top of four draft commons to sneak them through!!! I mean, obviously not the literal two copies thing, but at the conceptual level, "buy into stuff early or it's way more expensive for literally no good reason" is pretty much already a feature of paper 
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Hellsau posted:Yeah it's this. I've made about 2000 tix since the London Mulligan was reimplemented on MTGO on July 2nd. If I were to have played Arena, I wouldn't have a cash-out option, and I likely would have had to buy a couple hundred bucks in packs since I hate bot drafts and my Arena account hasn't seen use since just after WAR came out. Is this all still through pauper grinding? That's insane.
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Hellsau posted:Yeah it's this. I've made about 2000 tix since the London Mulligan was reimplemented on MTGO on July 2nd. If I were to have played Arena, I wouldn't have a cash-out option, and I likely would have had to buy a couple hundred bucks in packs since I hate bot drafts and my Arena account hasn't seen use since just after WAR came out. yeah I can't really argue with "I don't play arena because I literally profit off of playing mtgo" so good on you I guess
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Hellsau posted:Yeah it's this. I've made about 2000 tix since the London Mulligan was reimplemented on MTGO on July 2nd. If I were to have played Arena, I wouldn't have a cash-out option, and I likely would have had to buy a couple hundred bucks in packs since I hate bot drafts and my Arena account hasn't seen use since just after WAR came out. Man this reminds me of the time Brian Kibler ruined the Brazilian GDP after that MTGO ptq crashed
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If they are going to make distinctions between the different versions of standard legal cards, I'd like the options to get gems instead of copies 5-8 of cards with rarities above uncommon. IE in a few years when new Shocks rotate in, I don't need new versions, client Also I have no idea why they can't drop in Amonkhet and Kaladesh blocks as a whole. The cards already existed in the program Ate My Balls Redux fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Aug 29, 2019 |
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Aug 29, 2019 20:40
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:Also I have no idea why they can't drop in Amonkhet and Kaladesh blocks as a whole. The cards already existed in the program Because they'd have to ban a huge number of cards to avoid those blocks overshadowing the rest of the Historic format. As it stands, only small Teferi is likely to need to get banned eventually. Also they probably will add those sets once it takes 2x wildcards to get anything from them.
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Aug 29, 2019 20:46
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I hope they print fetches into historic. 2 wildcards to fetch would be hilarious
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Aug 29, 2019 20:51
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the "takes two wildcards to craft historic cards" mixes well with the "are you SURE you want to create that soon to be rotating card" prompt
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Aug 29, 2019 20:53
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lol at you guys acting like that announcement was in good faith. They never intended that change to go live, they just want an easy example of them "listening to the community". They'll pull something else less lovely at the same time they revert that change but since it'll be less lovely nobody will care. This has happened every. single. time. they've made an announcement about arena. back in the beta, when daily quests required WINS only The vault + 5th card problem The various iterations of the mastery pass Historic card pricing
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Aug 29, 2019 20:59
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Hellsau posted:Because they'd have to ban a huge number of cards to avoid those blocks overshadowing the rest of the Historic format. As it stands, only small Teferi is likely to need to get banned eventually. Some WotC community guy in the reddit thread said they are willing to either add the entire set in the future or just specific cards they don't see as problematic.
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Aug 29, 2019 21:34
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But why won't they give me canal dredger for my modo edh deck?
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A Moose posted:lol at you guys acting like that announcement was in good faith. They never intended that change to go live, they just want an easy example of them "listening to the community". They'll pull something else less lovely at the same time they revert that change but since it'll be less lovely nobody will care. This has happened every. single. time. they've made an announcement about arena. Red Mana can't melt silver wildcards
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I’m surprised the big stores aren’t pushing wizards to create an Origins foreword format to move all the bulk rares they couldn’t get rid of after rotations. Arena would only have to program 3 sets worth of cards and wizards could probably make a masters set to sell with all the staples. Except they’d probably gently caress that up and charge horizon prices for a set that has like 10 cards worth slightly more then the price of the pack.
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A Moose posted:lol at you guys acting like that announcement was in good faith. They never intended that change to go live, they just want an easy example of them "listening to the community". They'll pull something else less lovely at the same time they revert that change but since it'll be less lovely nobody will care. This has happened every. single. time. they've made an announcement about arena. Counterpoint: have you considered the possibility that everyone in wizards is a huge moron who only succeed in spite of their efforts?
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My buddies and I playtested Origins forward a few times just for shits and it's actually pretty good if you just ban Emrakul
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They just mentioned on stream some of the historic exclusive cards they are currently testing Brainstorm Fire bolt Ethereal armor Wormcoil engine Dark Confidant
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Tainen posted:They just mentioned on stream some of the historic exclusive cards they are currently testing 
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Fetch lands officially never getting a reprint
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A big flaming stink posted:Counterpoint: have you considered the possibility that everyone in wizards is a huge moron who only succeed in spite of their efforts? Nobody's that lucky. There has to be someone who knows what they're doing
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ilmucche posted:I hope they print fetches into historic. 2 wildcards to fetch would be hilarious As in it literally costs wildcards to crack a fetch each time
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Tainen posted:They just mentioned on stream some of the historic exclusive cards they are currently testing reserved list on arena when
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Sampatrick posted:Fetch lands officially never getting a reprint Like ever, or into Standard? One sucks big time and the other is no surprise at all.
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C-Euro posted:Like ever, or into Standard? One sucks big time and the other is no surprise at all. I mean probably never in standard but we'll see a paper reprint soon enough. If historic has brainstorm tho we're never going to see fetches in standard.
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I don’t understand historic I thought it was a format like modern where there’s a starting set and it goes to to current day. Why would they just add random rear end cards not even legal in modern? I’m confused on what they want that format to be.
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Aug 29, 2019 22:37
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A Moose posted:Nobody's that lucky. There has to be someone who knows what they're doing someone hasn't spent a lot of time around rich people
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Tainen posted:They just mentioned on stream some of the historic exclusive cards they are currently testing I wouldn't mind brainstorm in a much lower powered format with no fetches
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Aug 29, 2019 22:40
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Tbh putting bob in historic would get me to play it once so
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uggy posted:I don’t understand historic I thought it was a format like modern where there’s a starting set and it goes to to current day. Why would they just add random rear end cards not even legal in modern? I’m confused on what they want that format to be. its the farm upstate where all your old cards no longer legal in standard go to visit.
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Twitter threads are dumb, but this is kinda silly https://twitter.com/HipstersMTG/status/1167182324703748096 So there is an event every time cards are added where you just get playsets of those cards for the entry fee. Seems OK-ish, but it still has the problem that players who miss the boat still have to pay extra, a problem that exists for no reason digitally.
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Sampatrick posted:I mean probably never in standard but we'll see a paper reprint soon enough. If historic has brainstorm tho we're never going to see fetches in standard. No fetches in Standard doesn't surprise me, I think if Wizards could wave a magic wand and get rid of them in every format they would. Evolving Wilds is probably mostly harmless for Standard/Historic though. Maybe even Prismatic Vista someday? Actually this Historic cards concept is proof of my theory that Wizards wants Historic to eventually just be Modern without fetchlands, except they're going about it in the most rear end-backwards way imaginable.
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