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 Welcome to the Fifteenth Edition of the Magic Megathread! A link to the last thread Magic: The Gathering is a collectible card game where you play as a planeswalker, a powerful wizard capable of traveling between planes, summoning fantastic creatures, and casting powerful spells. Each game of Magic represents a duel between two or more planeswalkers. Magic in the game is divided into five colors: White, the color of order and balance; blue, the color of knowledge and illusion; black, the color of death and corruption; red, the color of chaos and power; and green, the color of nature and life. Each color is balanced against the others, with their various strengths and weaknesses. First released in 1993, Magic's years of existence as the most popular collectible card game has attracted millions of players worldwide. Tournaments of varying levels are held all around the world, and the game is enjoyed just as much at the kitchen table as it is on the Pro Tour with thousands of dollars at stake. There is an organization called the DCI that sanctions and maintains these events, using tournament officials known as judges to keep the game fair and fun. Like any other collectible game, the components can be quite pricey. Older, out-of-print cards can be hundreds of dollars, but those aren't needed to play in the game's most popular formats. In-print and just-out-of-print cards very rarely break the $50 mark, and as there's a limit of four of any one card per deck, you won't need too many to compete. Booster packs cost roughly $4 US each, but most people will agree that buying the single cards you need is a better bang for your buck... though not as fun as the "lottery" game of opening packs. ============================================ OTHER THREADS The Magic: the Gathering Buying and Selling/Trading Thread Don't deal with eBay or some random third-party insecure site for your Magic card needs. This is a thread to post your haves/wants and see if any other Goon wants your poo poo or has the poo poo you really need for that big tournament coming up, you know the one. The Magic: the Gathering Limited Thread Draft and sealed discussion goes in here. This is a really informative thread if you're looking for tips on draft especially, as it goes into the draft archetypes of the current format as well as a glossary of commonly used draft terms you might hear at the table. MtG Eternal Thread Discussion on Eternal formats Legacy, Vintage, and honorary "Eternal" format Modern. M:tG Cube: The Most Expensive Free Magic Money Can Buy Share your cubes with other people without the risk of strangers stealing your foil Russian Dark Confidant you've blinged out your cube with! Commander Thread Argue about whose fun is most important in this thread about Magic's most popular casual format. Magic: the Gathering Arena Thread Talk about Magic microtransactions here! Arena uses some wacky formats, prioritizes Best of One tournament styles, and attracts players of all skill levels, so the metagame can be drastically different than paper. ============================================ FORMATS Casual: Anything goes. Despite being the least talked-about format, mostly because it's not really a "format", casual play is probably the most popular form of Magic. We're talking kids buying precons and a couple of boosters and sitting around their kitchen tables here. There are other casual formats loved by players more into the game, such as Commander, Cube, Type 4, etc. Standard: One of the easiest formats to get into. Since it consists of nothing but the last two years worth of Standard-legal sets to be published, finding cards is relatively as most cards are still in print. Standard is the most popular sanctioned constructed format. Modern: Magic's newest format bridges the gap between Legacy and Extended. All sets from Eighth Edition on up are legal; the "Modern" name doesn't necessarily mean the modern Magic frame, as old cards reprinted in a special set with the new frame, such as judge promos, are not legal unless they've been reprinted in a set since Eighth Edition. Modern Banned List Legacy: Legacy is an Eternal format like Vintage, only without the Power 9 and many other overpowered cards. For the most part, everything restricted in Vintage is banned in Legacy. Legacy has skyrocketed in popularity lately, and so has the entry fee to play in this format. Legacy staples have doubled or tripled in price on the secondary market, so the barrier of entry is very high. Almost nobody plays this anymore, sorry. Legacy Banned List Vintage: The most powerful decks that can be created reside here in "Type 1". The insanely high expense of cards that are in almost every good deck in the format - cards known as the Power 9 because of their reputation for being the nine most powerful cards ever printed - leads players to shy away from the format. Most Vintage tournaments will be run without DCI sanctioning because they allow ten or fifteen proxies in order to make the tournament more accessable to players not willing to spend $3000 on a Black Lotus. A common misconception is that Vintage is a format of turn one kills - but in a format where turn one kills are possible, decks are fine-tuned not just to win, but to stop their opponents from going off on turn one or two as well. Vintage Banned & Restricted List Limited: There are two popular limited formats: Sealed Deck and Booster Draft. High-level limited tournaments are usually run sealed deck, with booster drafts as their top 8 playoffs. In sealed deck, a player gets six packs. With those cards, and as many extra basic lands as they wish, they have to build a deck that's at least 40 cards. Sealed is part luck (what you open), and part skill (how you build and play with your deck). Booster drafting involves each player getting three booster packs and sitting around a table. At the same time, each player opens up their first pack, takes a card out, and passes the rest of the cards in the pack to their left. This continues until all the cards in each pack are gone, then the second pack is opened and passed to the right. The third and last pack goes left again. Skilled players can sense which colors are "open" and pick cards that are strong in those colors. Then players follow the same deck construction rules as sealed deck - a minimum 40-card deck using as much extra basic land as they want. Some players consider booster drafting to be the best test of a Magic player's skill. Two-Headed Giant: In 2HG, teams of two face off against each other. Each player has their own deck, hand, permanents, etc., but each team takes their turn at the same time. 2HG is usually sealed deck, with each team getting more product than a single person would usually get, but Standard 2HG isn't unheard of. Two-Headed Giant Rules Commander: Commander (previously known as EDH, or Elder Dragon Highlander) is one of the most popular casual formats. In Commander, you pick a legendary creature to serve as your "commander", and build a 100-card deck (99 plus your commander) using only one of each card, excluding basic lands. You can't use any cards which have mana symbols anywhere on them that don't match the ones on your commander's card, and the format uses the Vintage cardpool with some modifications. Your commander starts in the "command zone", and you can cast it any time you normally could cast them - but each time you cast it that way, it costs 2 more to cast. If a commander would be put into a graveyard or into exile, its owner can choose to put it back in the command zone instead, so it's hard to permanently get rid of a commander short of sending it into its owner's library. And lastly, if a player takes 21 or more damage over the course of the game from any one commander, they lose the game. The official rules can be found here. Official Commander Site Cube Drafting: Booster drafting is fun, but it can get expensive, and players lose interest in drafting a set when a new one's about to come out... and this is where cube drafting comes in. A cube contains 350-700 of the best cards in Magic, usually including the Power 9. The cube is shuffled, and random packs are dealt out to each player, which are then drafted like a normal booster draft. Cube draft owners take great pride in their cube, and will often try to foil out every card possible, making their cube cost more than the average Vintage deck. Pauper: While Pauper is most popular on Magic Online, it does see some interest in the real world as well. Using only commons and cards reprinted as commons on Magic Online, it is the cheapest constructed format available. Here's a good FAQ to get started. ============================================ DIGITAL VERSIONS Magic: The Gathering Arena is the main and official online version. As of right now, you can draft with bots (but play those decks against real players) and play Standard, along with rotating wacky online formats. Unlike the paper version, there's no way to buy singles - you'll have to open the cards in packs or trade in wildcards to build your decks. Many times, especially prereleases, Wizards will release codes for the game that allow you to unlock new cards and/or cosmetics. Magic Online is the old way to play the game online. Its upsides include the ability to play or draft twenty-four hours a day and being able to test deck brews against a variety of opponents without finding and sleeving physical cards, but its downsides are almost everything else. It's got a clunky and outdated UI, multiple bugs that persist for years, and a pricing model that isn't at all as generous as its competitors such as Hearthstone. Play on it if you want, but do some research and know what you're getting into. If you want to play for free/cheap, there are ways, though some are more difficult to set up than others. Apprentice is slightly old and outdated, but still very popular. Its features aren't as robust as Magic Workstation, but if you don't care about all the bells and whistles, it gets the job done. NetDraft is a way to draft online for free, but you'll usually only play one match each draft against whoever you're paired against. Good for testing your draft skills. You'll need to use Magic Workstation or another program to play though. ============================================ WHERE TO PLAY Friday Night Magic (FNM): The most accessable tournaments for most players is FNM, which as its name suggests takes place on Friday nights at local hobby stores. FNM tournaments can range anywhere from eight to sixty-plus players, and usually pay out prizes in either packs or store credit. Competition is usually pretty lax at FNMs, with (hopefully) friendly players and a fun atmosphere. There's a special promo given out to some players at every FNM, and you can see the current month's here. Prereleases: The week before a new set comes out, players get to experience it early in a Prerelease Event. Prizes are usually small, because the real prize is getting to see and play with the new cards for the first time. Magic Fests: Giant celebrations of Magic that happen in and around large cities. If you feel like travelling or there's one near you, they're insanely large events full of Magic players, side events, and Grand Prix type tournaments. Competitive Level Play: To be honest this is in such a flux right now that I can't keep track of what the hell is going on. If you want to play competitively I'm sure there are many people in this thread that can tell you why it's actually a bad idea. A full list of the official events types is here. ============================================ RESOURCES USEFUL LINKS DailyMTG.com: The official page for Magic is updated every weekday with articles from some of the most well-known people related to the game, from rules managers to Pro players to the people who make the cards you play with. You can also find tournament locations near you and information about upcoming sets. EDHREC: A great tool for Commander/EDH players. Get suggestions based on whatever you want to play in the format! Scryfall: The best and most comprehensive search engine for Magic cards. MTG Goldfish: Another metagame analysis site. Very comprehensive! DeckStats.net: Type in your decklist and get details on your curve, draw sample hands, etc. Gatherer: The official online database of every card ever printed, with up to date Oracle text, rulings, etc. MTGTop8.com: A listing of the top decks from various tournaments, broken down by format. A must-use if you want to follow the shifting metagame. ChannelFireball.com: Luis Scott-Vargas, one of the most celebrated Magic players of all time, writes strategy articles for this blog/online store. Like StarCityGames or any of the other online stores/blogs, it hosts high prices and high-value strategy articles - though unlike SCG.com, the strategy is free. CranialInsertion.com: A weekly rules article with answers to questions submitted by players. This is the rules article that was previously on MTGSalvation. Good Games Live: Live coverage of non-WotC big tournaments. Magic-League.com: If you want to play in online leagues without paying for Magic Online, this is the place to look. Magic-League has thousands of players, so finding a game should never be a problem. MagicCards.info: Faster than Gatherer, with a proxy printing feature, a search for prices on major online card stores, etc. If you're looking for accurate Oracle text and/or rulings, I'd still trust the official Gatherer over this, but many players use this for its other features. MTGSalvation.com: MTGSalvation is widely known as the source for all new-set spoilers, keeping the most up-to-date source of new rumors and spoiled cards in the weeks leading up to a new set's release. MTG The Source: What The Mana Drain is to Vintage, this is to Legacy. StarCityGames.com: SCG is first and foremost a web store, selling not only cards but play knowledge as well. Their webpage hosts articles from the most prolific players involved in the metagame, with some articles being free and others requiring a paid membership to their site. TheManaDrain.com: One of the premier sources for Vintage information on the internet, TMD is a forum to discuss Vintage strategy and find events. IRC There's also a Goon IRC channel for Magic on SynIRC called #mtgoon where a bunch of us lurk and occasionally bullshit about Magic, draft, play EDH, etc. If you have an urgent rules question you need answered right away, there's the #mtgrules channel on EFNet where a lot of highly qualified judges hang out. [b]Discord[b] The official Goon MTG Discord server is here: https://discord.gg/NDKdUC3 TheKingofSprings posted:Magic: the Gathering: Faithless Posting LifeLynx fucked around with this message at 17:51 on Oct 22, 2020 |
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More about Oko. They made it a point to ask if he can shapeshift into other Planeswalkers. Since Garruk is reportedly in the story but doesn't get a card (as far as I know, the only walkers are Will, Rowan, and Oko) maybe it's Oko pretending to be Garruk for some reason?
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Aug 28, 2019 17:35
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The Clowner posted:Op please consider adding untap.in to the op under "digital versions" What's this? This is the first I've heard of it. Zephirum posted:Why does Forbes get the scoop on Oko Yeah I don't know why either, I thought they were for finance and business stuff but it seems they hired a token millenial to write articles you can't even find from the site's front page because they would confuse the boomers who want to work on developing their yacht envy.
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Aug 28, 2019 18:50
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Argas posted:How are UP Eclipse sleeves rated these days? I got a pack of 100 but a few are already showing wear after a few games, while the Dragonshields and Katanas are more or less spotless. Did I just have bad luck with mine? They're great at first but quickly degrade into gross feeling leather in a very short time. I like Dragonshields but the texture on the back does that unsettling thing to me, and sometimes the corners are so sharp that they catch on each other. They're still way ahead of any other sleeve except Katanas. It's cool we've gotten some real big leaps in sleeve quality in the last two years or so.
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Aug 29, 2019 00:02
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They're going to put a few cards into Historic at a time so they don't have to waste resources coding and testing entire sets. Once the majority of old cards are in they'll make some grand announcement about Historic being a supported format in both digital and paper and surprise, the few cards they haven't coded into Arena are on the banned list.
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Aug 29, 2019 23:10
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C-Euro posted:Isn't it PAX this weekend? We should get a few spoilers when Wizards does their PAX panel. There's no PAX panel. Edit: But spoilers start Monday. LifeLynx fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Aug 31, 2019 |
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Aug 31, 2019 22:32
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https://twitter.com/Marshall_LR/status/1167875219437932544?s=19
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Aug 31, 2019 22:50
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So the spoiler season officially kicks off tomorrow with the stream, but they refuse to answer anyone's questions about what time it starts. Which makes sense, if you want to use a Twitch stream to start generating hype in order to drive sales of your newest product, the smart move is to not tell anyone when it starts, right?
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Sep 3, 2019 19:53
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Well, definitely bringing some kind of candy or snack to the prerelease to use as food tokens.
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Sep 3, 2019 20:17
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Eej posted:Obviously there'll be a card that turns your Food tokens into creatures It's this one.
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Sep 3, 2019 20:28
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AlternateNu posted:It would be broke as gently caress in any limited format slower than Origins if you could have a repeatable 7 mana for 3 x 2/2s on an uncommon. Yeah for real. It wouldn't have a Sorcery type either. It's much more likely to be split cards except one half is a creature. My only other guess was something along the lines of the Meld cards, where Welcome Home (a separate card) would be referenced on Flaxen Intruder with its name, type, and mana cost, and would trigger some ability on Flaxen Intruder when you cast it.
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Sep 3, 2019 22:25
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Trying to decide if a card that can either be a 1/1 for G or a 5/5 that can't attack unless you have a 1/1 for 2G would be a (likely below average) rare, or if the Adventure part lets you cast the 2G 5/5 later.
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Sep 4, 2019 01:59
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3 life is 1 more than I thought, and it's going to make this limited format extremely slow. Decks are going to be able to stabilize and get out of reach.
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Sep 4, 2019 03:37
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Theros: Beyond Death Ikoria: Lair of the Behemoths (Play with and "create" monsters) Core 2021 ("If you like Teferi, you will not be disappointed in this set.") Booooo Zendikar Rising (No Eldrazi!)
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Rinkles posted:Ugh, already? I'm interested in a Zendikar that's not defined by Eldrazi and the Gatewatch again. Post-apocalyptic Fantasy in a world that didn't have much in the way of civilization to begin with.
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Sep 4, 2019 18:03
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https://twitter.com/wizards_magic/status/1170025618232115200 Looks like her name is going to officially be Gynger, Last of her Batch. Putting her in the next Commander set would make Wizards a lot of dough.
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Sep 6, 2019 20:56
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Speaking of Gynger, my Cat Draft on September 14th is with Core Set 2020 - if I'd known how fun Throne of Eldraine looked, I would've waited! But Core Sets are better for the casual players who turn out for these. September 14th at 3 PM at Brothers Grim in Selden, NY, and all the proceeds go to the cat adoption center I've been volunteering at for almost a decade. The cats at the Long Island Feline Adoption Center are full-time residents until they get adopted, with their own couches, scratching posts, and even television. Even though it's not an Eldraine draft, I still wanted to give out a token, so I whipped this up today (pending some better pun-ery in the flavor text. Oh! I just got that. Flavor text.) : 
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Sep 6, 2019 21:15
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The Making Magic article is a great read. - There was originally just a Camelot set, but Magic's done High Fantasy so often. Playtesters didn't even notice they were playing a Camelot set because they just had a Knights deck, and Knights are everywhere in Magic. The average person also can't name more than about a dozen things to do with Camelot's stories. The Fairy Tale set combining with it gave the Knights something to fight. - These cards make up the Cinderella story. Read the article, it's really neat. They experimented with a lot of key points of the story making it into cards, so even though he didn't say it, there's lots of material for a Return to Eldraine set. - There's lots of overlap between fairy tales, like most stories have a handsome prince, the Big Bad Wolf is in Red Riding Hood and also The Three Little Pigs, etc. That made it easier to make cards that satisfy multiple stories, because you can have one card represent multiple fairy tale tropes. Rumpelstiltskin and the spinning wheel are mentioned, so it's likely he's getting a card. Other things mentioned are the Black Knight, the cow that got traded for magic beans, and of course the Gingerbread Man.
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Sep 9, 2019 15:53
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I'm mad because this set is going to have a lot of fun looking cards in it but BR Knights is probably going to be the best way to draft it. (I'll be happy to be wrong and also this is half-kidding.)
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Sep 9, 2019 16:43
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Going to make a bad Adventure deck with Portal of Sanctuary.
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Sep 9, 2019 17:38
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I had a feeling there'd be an anti-tribal card to hate out Knights.
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Sep 9, 2019 19:00
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Vaah posted:He's literally a charm  Sampatrick posted:How can the power hungry nobility be white 
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Sep 10, 2019 19:39
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Elyv posted:
That's going to be a nightmare at prereleases. Thankfully it's a mythic.
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Sep 10, 2019 21:34
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Tainen posted:Dumb At least there's a good Cat in the set already. Going to admit I'm disappointed that romantic name is wasted on a Disenchant variant. Count Bleck posted:
Also kind of disappointing? 1/1 haste that's nearly unblockable for 1 or can sac later for 3 life is... what, a potential 22nd-23rd card?
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vegetables posted:Wizards’ reluctance to do fun silly things even on a world full of candy cane houses is the worst Counter-point, but I'm glad Magic can tap into silly worlds without going full Smash Up. Eldraine nearly breaks the fourth wall with references to fairy tales, which hasn't happened on this level since Arabian Nights, but as wacky as that is, there's limits and it doesn't go into full Hearthstone-like wackiness. Would I have liked to see a Magic-al realistic take on Puss in Boots? Maybe a normal-looking cat with black paws ("boots")? Sure, but there's other fairy tales I'm sure were cut from the design doc also. The "too silly" reasoning bothers me because there's probably no fairy tale that can't be twisted into something more on Magic's level while still maintaining the reference, but I'd love to see an article from Maro about what other things were cut.
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Sep 11, 2019 18:52
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Kild posted:Isn't this an infinite if you name food w. arcane adaption Food isn't a creature type. Gingerbrute is only allowed to have Food on its type line because Food is an artifact type, and Gingerbrute is an artifact.
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Sep 11, 2019 21:53
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https://twitter.com/wizards_magic/status/1171900947406082048?s=19
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Sep 11, 2019 22:48
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They're going to be internally debating enchantments vs. artifacts with color for a long time and we're going to see weird things like this until a decision is made. Since the reaction to colored non-vehicle, non-equipment, non-creature artifacts has been pretty negative, I kind of expect they'll start going back to colorless artifacts without subtypes for things that only have activated or static abilities within the next year, two tops.
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Sep 12, 2019 21:25
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You basically need to assault someone at an event to be banned for life, or defraud WotC out of money. I know a guy who was on the lifetime ban list because, at a GP when they had those lovely carbon copy credit card swipers, knowingly used a fake credit card to buy hundreds of dollars of product. His ban lifetime kept getting bounced around from "Lifetime" to far-off years like 2068 or something, but eventually he was taken off altogether.
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Sep 13, 2019 02:39
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President Ark posted:am i crazy or are there more "turn creatures who are probably sapient into a food token" cards (or ones that imply something similar happen, see bartered cow's flavor text) than cards that just make regular-rear end food Side effect of food being a primarily black/green archetype?
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Went to my store's Modern MCQ yesterday to check it out and chill with some players I rarely see because I don't judge competitive events anymore. The format looked fun and diverse, so knowing I had all the Eldrazi and Tron lands, went home to see what I'd need to finish off the deck. Mostly a bunch of $10 cards... oh, and almost $300 for a playset of Chalice of the Void. How did that card get so out of hand?
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Sep 16, 2019 15:33
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I haven't seen a second set so obviously telelgraphed before. If they didn't come out and say Return to Theros was the next set, I would've known just from how hard mono-color is pushed in this set. No rare duals, adamant, quad hybrid creatures, etc. I have a feeling the green Castle is way better than it looks just because Theros 2 cards are going to reward you for having six green mana to pay for a creature or creature ability.
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Lone Goat posted:Whoever is archiving those old Inquests, hopefully you find one with a price for Balduvian Horde when it first released, I think it was like $20 lmao I remember I cracked one in my first pack of Alliances while everyone in the store was frantically buying packs hoping for one. Everyone tried to trade me for it, but I put it in a sleeve and into my box. It's still in that sleeve. I probably could've had two or three Revised duals for it at the time.
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fadam posted:for all the boomers out there: what did your LGS carry before MtG struck big? Like what game had people coming out to hang out and play before magic? Just DND? I'm in my mid-30s, but my first LGS back in the mid-90s was a sports card and memorabilia store at first. A bunch of other stores around here started that way also. All it took were stores suddenly getting phone calls from kids asking about Magic cards for the owners to realize they had a new source of income.
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Sep 17, 2019 20:49
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I've never preordered a card before, but I just did a set of the green Castle based off how much this thread hates it.
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Sep 17, 2019 21:01
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Hellsau posted:that's a pretty good deck Not all that bad, at least.
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Sep 17, 2019 22:24
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This is spicy in limited. There's usually something useful in your pool that you're not playing, so this grabs that potential 24th card and/or is a 1/4 flier for 1U which is definitely playable.
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I always have piles of cards on my desk. I don't know how, because I rarely build decks. It's a lot of draft leftovers, cards I want to put in a binder because they've gone up in price, etc. I've got two big five-row boxes and every once in a while I shove a big stack in there to sort through later. Festive Funeral is a good limited card. I feel like it could have cost a lot less and be pushed for constructed, but oh well. The Garruk card is good because it's an instant; it's going to win a lot of prerelease games.
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Sep 19, 2019 15:57
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If I open this as my prerelease foil, I guess I have to play my entire pool.
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The "Syr" thing is just a Game of Thrones. I think the non-gendered thing is good, but it probably happened as a result of wanting to capture Game of Thrones hype, which was still very popular and loved when the set was being developed. You can even see it in the names of the legendary Knights, which also follow the Game of Thones convention of "real name, but ~fantasy~". There's even a character named Ayara which is about as close but legally distinct you can get to Arya. I'm sad spoiler season is over, I just want them to keep revealing cards so I can get the references. The Frozen one is cool as hell, my step-daughter is going to love it. Also, cute story: she forgot the name for "the graveyard", so she told me, "I was playing Magic by myself, and I forgot which cards go to the garbage... I mean card heaven." Going to be calling it Card Heaven from now on.
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