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Mikl
Nov 8, 2009

Vote shit sandwich or the shit sandwich gets it!
Can't make up if you don't fight first.

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rchandra
Apr 30, 2013


Make up and forget

Enemy Input
Feb 26, 2014
We must fight!

Sun Tzu said that.

Orbs
Apr 1, 2009
~Liberation~

Enemy Input posted:

We must fight!

Sun Tzu said that.
:hmmyes:

Orbs
Apr 1, 2009
~Liberation~
EPISODE FOUR CONCLUSION



So be it. We will fight, until one or both of us change enough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXGEL08UIyw











"I'm proud of you, but that you're only this tenacious when I'm finally being serious is a little vexing, you know!"

"I mean, I've kept going this long, it has to count for something, right?"

"I don't want to wreck you, I just really need you to win or lose, could you do that please!"

"Both of those are hard to do."

"Then you've got five minutes to grow up!"



It might not be enough. The Mare Crisium was made to not be caught. More precisely, Luna-Terra made the Mare Crisium something that couldn't be caught.

"No. Don't you dare--"



"Ha."

"Ha. Haha."

"Sorry I'm such a cockroach."

"Don't be. Slipping away is so like you, I don't know what else I expect."

"Luna-T, I really, really can't let you get away."

"Not without an answer."

"I'm not going to do that."

"What are you trying to do, then?"

"We promised we'd fight until one of us won."

"And then we'd go along with whatever the other decided."

"So why are you trying to take that away from me?"



"That core is everything I have."

"But the rest of me isn't going to last long without it, so it might as well be everything."

"If I don't have that, I can't follow you, win or lose."

"..."

"I really don't think it's good for you."



"You're going to lecture me about doing what's healthy? You've got a lot of nerve! It's not cute!"

"If we had to fight each other like this, I really wish it didn't have to be with you in that thing."

"You don't like it, huh."

"Ahahahaha."

"You've always been like this."

"You're trying to tell me what's good for me?"

"You don't want to admit this is really me?"

"Luna-T, I would listen to you if you had ever listened to me once ever."

"I told you, I haven't gotten any better in the time we've been apart."

"I don't want you to not be strong, or beautiful, or amazing."

"I just don't want you to be holding this weight of Cradle's Graces, everyone's hopes and dreams, all by yourself."

"So please just rest for now."

"Don't tell me that."

"I hate this, hate this, hate this, you never listen and you know I'll always let you win in the end!"

"But not THIS time!"

"I don't know what you mean."

"I've been really patient."

"So if you keep playing dumb, you're gonna make me mad."



"I don't want anything else."

"I'm a cockroach."

"I don't need anything myself."

"Liar."

"Are you trying to make me mad?"

"Be satisfied with it."

"I don't have any other answer."

"If I had one, I'd give it, so drop it."

"I'm not satisfied."

"No."

"YOU grow up and YOU be the adult for once!

"Get BACK here!"



Mare Crisium's engines flare--navi is broken, everything is broken, but it will move.

"No no no no no, not this time."

Krun Macula's twin Tidal Reactors are falling apart with one of them nearly torn out, yet she still moves.

The pressure of the unrestricted gravity peels the paint off Mare Crisium. Her steels and plastics are chattering. Her remaining useless arm snaps. And her engine-wings creak.

That pressure is not enough to bring her down, but it's enough for her to falter, and Krun Macula grabs her foot and slams her to the ground.

Mare Crisium creaks and strains, trying to flee, so Pluto pulls the rest of herself on top of her.


"Pluto, I'm serious."

"You're not the only one."

"I have things I'm willing to be hard and cruel for now, too."

Mare Crisium fires a sidearm. It doesn't dent Pluto.

Pluto opens her hand. The fingers don't work. But the plasma still does. Which flays Luna-Terra's chassis, but gently.


"I'm really serious this time."

"I can't stop for a second, so I really need it back. It's already been too long, so give me back that part of me."

Mare Crisium opens her left hand. Pluto's missing reactor is still beating, wildly.

"Sorry to be like this, but this Ship-Self and what it can do are more important than me, than anything else about me--"



A gentle click, Luna-Terra's sidearm pointed at the stolen reactor, fires.

The solid light slug misses. Just barely. There's a second shot, but it's buried in Pluto's blocking hand, and there's a third shot, but Pluto's ripped off the arm of Mare Crisium, so it's just the last reflex of a limb separated from its owner.




"How long are you going to make me put up with this?"

"What do you mean?"

"You don't want a fight with me."

"Not a fight for real. Your heart isn't in it. So let's not."

"No."

"No, no, no!"

"That's the ONLY thing I want."

"Why are you like this! Acting like you know what I want better than I do! So what if you're right!"

"Of course I don't want to fight you!"

"drat it, I hate you!"

"After all that!"









"It's so easy to fight for you. If I'm not careful, it's all I'll ever want to do."

"I."

"I..."

"I'm sorry."

"Don't want a sorry."

"You must think it's so easy to not care about you. But it's not."

"It's easy for you to not care about you, but it's the hardest thing for me."

Ugh I'm still the one who ended up crying! Again! You wouldn't listen back then either!"

Mare Crisium rises, gently brushes away the burnt portions of Krun Macula's armor. The joins are already starting to heal, as gravity pulls them back. Almost just as good as new. But a little changed.

"I..."

"I know you..."

"Don't distract yourself, dummy. Reattaching arms is hard, so do mine right at least."

"It was the same last time, too."

"I said 'you deserve better.'"

"I said 'but you are better.'"

"I just ignored it because I'm stupid."

"Not because I'm cool."

"Thank god."

"Everything is worth it."

Orbs
Apr 1, 2009
~Liberation~
LUNA-TERRA, EPISODE FIVE: "The worst fights always happen over something worthless."/DEEPER CUTS









Luna-Terra has now fought the other pilots twice each, coming through alive but changed each time. Another pair of missions await.







The factions are in a precarious balance because of our choices, but that won't last long.

Comms for day 5:

quote:



...let's talk about something else.

Oh, is it really so bad these days?

We don't get along because we're too much like each other.

We used to be so different, what happened?

I got older, and learned a lot. That's enough to make me more like you.

You're not giving me enough credit.

Really? Do you think I'd blame you for being too good at teaching me the same lessons that made you who you are?

Well, I'd always hoped.

I'd blame you if I felt like it. There's nothing to blame you for.

Nothing you warned me about turned out like you said, so I stopped paying attention to any of your advice.

I thought I was too smart for the rest. So it's just a coincidence we ended up like each other. I never minded your lessons.

Are you sure? I was a harsh teacher. Are you really glad for it?

I am happy for everything I learned.

Not for everything you taught me.

I mean, it wasn't like you were wrong. Everything you said would happen, happened.

But none of it happened like you said it would.

If I followed your advice to the letter, it wouldn't have helped me at all. It was all just different enough.

So I came up with my own answers. It wasn't until I looked back on them that I realized it was exactly what you would have done.

Fair, I suppose.

I should count that as success for me.

But also, due to your effort, for you.

That's just what I wanted, though.

I certainly never wanted a carbon copy of myself.

I wanted you to improve on what you'd been handed.

Did you think you did a good job?

Shouldn't you be asking yourself that question? Since you're the one in charge of the education?

I was afraid you'd say that.




Day 5 emails:


-"Well, according to your chart, you're bad at that too. So I hope it helps."



-"N: She wants her own machine made. She's ridiculous. She said it would be fine if she died, but if it's just because she flaked out and got bored with space and left her problem in Halimede's lap, she won't do it. Are siblings really this petty and mean?
N: Stop laughing and help."

Now let's get ready to launch.



I think you can tell which mission is whose by now. Since the order still doesn't really matter, then unless there are any objections, I'll just continue alternating. So that means Saturn first.



>LAUNCH



"Can't you see I'm hesitating? Show some politeness."

"It's weird to see you hesitate. You don't do it."

"Then stop making it more weird, if you please. Let a woman be weird, for once."

"I have no problems returning to the colony. I wouldn't have thought you would have more hangups than me."

"You have no regrets? No pain? At any of your training, or your service in the war? About anything that happened there?"

"About the people you met there?"



"I was a real idiot, so I don't mind seeing it trashed. Or trashing it a little more to stop that Celestial Mechanics pilot from taking back the Lagrange Reactor."

"Ah, you've taken an interest in Saturn."



(YOUR FACE.)

"She was in Iapetus's division, but she was, yes, very clever."

"The Lagrange reactor is a worthless shard of nostalgia. Iapetus must be truly egomaniacal to send that prototype unit after it."

"That's a bad sign. The worst fights always happen over something worthless."

"It's certainly a trap. But you know that. It's still a chance to get one over him, and stop that pilot, if you're prepared to be serious."

"I'm always serious."

"Are you serious enough to stop playing?"

"I'm not playing."

"Whether you are serious or playing isn't a matter of how you feel about it, it's a matter of whether you are committed or not. Or if you're playing because you simply can't decide."



"I told you, I still haven't decided. I'm not closing off the future until the last moment."

"Decide what you want about the future when the future comes."

"But you will never move from this point if you don't decide how you feel about that pilot."

"Europa."

"Oh dear, you are feeling guilty again."

"Well, that's to be expected. I don't mind if you lose against that one, or win."

"'Just choose,' right?"

"You don't have to tell me."

"I know what happens if I don't."







Another one where we have to decide early, since the two scenes are quite different very early on. So, how serious are we this time? Or rather, what are we serious about?

mr_stibbons
Aug 18, 2019
No quotes, Fight for real

golden bubble
Jun 3, 2011

yospos

Fight for real

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

Fight for real

Merilan
Mar 7, 2019

Fight for "real", in a "fun" way (betray)

wow this choice is making it really annoying for you to tally up the scores huh

Chuu
Sep 11, 2004

Grimey Drawer

Klingon w Bowl Cut posted:

"Then stop making it more weird, if you please. Let a woman be weird, for once."

For some reason I assumed Europa was a man.

"Fight" for "Real"

Trick Question
Apr 9, 2007


"Fight" for "Real" and "Lose" because you keep "Dropping your guard" so you can make your "Robot" do "Finger quotes".

Orbs
Apr 1, 2009
~Liberation~

Merilan posted:

Fight for "real", in a "fun" way (betray)

wow this choice is making it really annoying for you to tally up the scores huh
Ha, yes, but I will manage!

Trick Question posted:

"Fight" for "Real" and "Lose" because you keep "Dropping your guard" so you can make your "Robot" do "Finger quotes".
You gotta admit that doing finger quotes during battle is a power move though.

Orbs
Apr 1, 2009
~Liberation~
EPISODE FIVE CONCLUSION

We actually had our first tie for this choice, so I did the logical thing for this game: I let gravity decide and flipped a coin. Heads, Loyal wins.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLJAgUEWobg





"And I know I'm not alone, so say something."

"Haha."

"Ah, so you did come."

"You're always close by."

"And you're always hiding something."

"And you're always just out of reach."

"Even though I have seen your face, I feel like I haven't."

"Even though I've shot you through the heart, it feels like I never touched you."



"I felt those plenty."

"I should say that about you, in fact."

"Luna -Terra, maybe you're the one who never came close enough to touch me?"

"Am I just that good? Or are you holding back?"

"You're slippery."

"And you've gotten better, too."

"What makes you say that?"

"I don't already know where you are this time."

"I must have been doing pretty awful before, then."



"But it's still unbelievable that you've gotten so good, in such a short amount of time."

"So I don't believe it."

"Haha. There's no hiding how much I suck, huh?"

"No, the opposite. There's no way you weren't this good before."

"Haha. That's not true."

"You have definitely been trained, haven't you?"

"I never fought other pilots."

"Did you fight something else?"



"That's true. It's also true that this isn't a real fight either."

"You were right when you called it play fighting. These machines weren't ever designed with practicality in mind. They simply aren't made with the intention to kill."

"I've read plenty of Dr. Nix, I don't need the lecture."

"And you're not even explaining it right. They did make Ship-Selves with practicality in mind. They made them specifically in a shape that would not allow for death and war."

"Dr. Nix just didn't want an end to conflict. Because that's silly. You can't be human without it."



"If you know it, explain it the right way!"

"Ha. If you knew Dr. Nix, you might have a harder time taking it seriously."

"I'm not part of Cradle's Graces for a reason, you know. I'm not that dumb."

"Not that I don't get the appeal of wanting to be that dumb."

"...Just kidding."

"No, I do too."



"Ahah, yeah I feel dumb every time!"

"She really makes you want to believe with your whole heart."

"Even if you never really quite can."

"And neither can she, all the way through. She just tries very hard."

"Luna-Terra... why are you really here?"

"To stop me from taking a worthless artifact, to fall into an obvious trap for another chance at stopping me once and for all?"

"To rack up the glory and take all the errant children home for Memorial Foundation?"

“To mess me up?”

"Or to make out with me?"



"Wasn't I just perfectly clear?"

"What's this ship-body for, anyway?"

"I'm here to communicate."

"Aha, Luna-Terra! You're really shallow, and kinda dumb."

"I'm honest."

"Finally! You're lucky that's enough."

"Are you ready for that, though?"



Posted for Saturn giving the extra crazy eyes.

"Well, I think I'm ready."

"Want me to check?"

"I won't give an inch."

"I'm not like you girls. I'm not a cosmic glow of energy in the dark."

"Still, I'm metal. And I'm sharp."





But then there's nothing. The feeling of being so close to being struck that she can't tell if she was or not.





"I'm nothing special, like I said."

"But you dodged it."

"It wasn't real. Nothing to dodge."

"Obviously! That's the part that's hard!"

"I'm fighting for real, just like you wanted."

"You're the one who wants that!"

"And FINE, dodge THIS."

Luna-Terra's vision fills with pink, the neuro-electric toxin melting into her skin. It feels hallucinatory, weird, stubborn, aggressive, vulnerable. Just like Saturn. In the poison-electric haze, Luna-Terra feels a little like Saturn.

"HA. Got you!"

"I like being wrong sometimes, you know?"

"I like not being Memorial Foundation's perfect ace."

"It doesn't seem to really suit you, if I'm being perfectly honest."

"Neither does playing by the rules."

"If Ship-Selves don't play by the rules when you're fighting, it stops looking like fighting."

"Oh yeah? What does it start looking like?"

"Also, that's not where I am."

"Liar."

"Are you willing to bet on it?"

"Yeah."



More crazy eyes.







"But sometimes you're the only one left who can do it."

"Even if you hate it, and it's totally self-destructive?"

"Especially then."

"Sometimes I think, why do we have to fight anymore, let's just do this obscene other thing, the thing that fighting could be."

"And then you say something like that, and I want to fight you so bad!"

"You wouldn't get it."



Jesus Saturn why you gotta be so gd crazy

"You're hilarious."

"It makes me want to see you squirm."

"Like, in a nice way, though."

"You can try."

"Haha."

"What."

"It's just funny."

"I love it when you play cool."

"'Cause you're not."

"Let's communicate aggressively."

"That's what humans do."

"Sure. I've already given up on that worthless reactor."



--

Orbs
Apr 1, 2009
~Liberation~
LUNA-TERRA, EPISODE SIX - "Hoping for togetherness, and killing everyone instead."/Look at me





Alright, we’ve successfully… distracted(?) Saturn from taking the mysterious Lagrange Reactor. Up next is finding out what Pluto is doing around our old academy. It’s probably fine. But first, comms and emails.

Day 6 Comms:

quote:



We were thinking about crashing the Moon into the Earth.

Literally?

Yeah, that too in the end.

The goal of the space program used to be to make all of the solar system figuratively equivalent to Earth.

When humans touch it, it becomes ours--that's why we use the Greek word to identify the physical bodies of space and the Roman to represent our understanding and incorporation of it.

We were being silly, taking a metaphor way too literally and way too far, joking about crushing the solar system together.

It would make sense to return it.

It would be nice and neat.

Killing absolutely everyone.

Yeah.

It was a horrible thought I shared with Halimede. She hated it, but she kept on arguing about it with me.

The Earth looks so fragile and small here, and the Moon looks so big. That's probably why.

It was a bad joke and she never thought it was funny, ha.

Good. She is very perceptive when it comes to that.

I am surprised always that people can find that self-destructive streak of yours harmless or imperceptible.

I'm glad she didn't.

I'm surprised you kept me around, given that.

Should I have given up?

Is that even a question? You should have followed your instincts.

You appear to be misunderstanding.

I take my work very seriously.

As a leader, a woman, as a pilot, as part of the Memorial Foundation.

You know that there are very real things Memorial Foundation believes in, and I believe in them too.

Yeah.

In seeking to bring all people together, however, there are choices that have to be made.

Should we cut the world to fit its people, or the people to fit its world?

That is what we struggle with the most.

"Cut" does not have to be a bad thing--it can be what's right, for you or for the world.

Making space for what exists, without allowing it to be erased.

Those the world abandons die, which is unacceptable.

Or they become another world, which is also unacceptable.



Day 6 Mail:




Onward to mission select. Cradle’s Graces awaits.





>LAUNCH



"Is that unusual?"

"Sometimes. But you said "I have a briefing for you" five minutes ago."

"Aha. It seems I lost track of time again."

"But don't you already know what the mission is?"

"Close the lens and prevent Cradle's Graces from opening it further."

"For the purpose of?"

"Who knows? Memorial Foundation on the ground wants it done."

"It was the observation device for Existential Threats, but in the end, we never knew if what we were seeing was what there was, or if we, the observers, were just seeing what we wanted to see."

"When it became clear that Celestial Mechanics had been pushing development in the direction of things that they did not themselves understand, we chose to destroy the colony."

"Later works of the space colony era showed signs of an art and design movement potentially hazardous and implicitly treacherous to the human race."



"Memorial Foundation on Earth would be loathe to admit it, but it's possible it did, and does, in fact work in one or more ways. Casts it all in a new light, doesn't it?"

"I didn't expect you to feel so nostalgic."

"I have some happy memories of the Academy. Don't you?"

"Yes."

"Some."

"But I'd rather move forward, in any way at all than keep dwelling."

"That's always a virtue, if you have learned from it."

"And you're not just trying to forget."

"Keep your advice to the mission, and not me."

"Well, I only have an interest in the success of one of those two things."







Hopefully I don’t have to let gravity decide this one too. :v:

Orbs fucked around with this message at 04:26 on Oct 5, 2019

AweStriker
Oct 6, 2014

Nostalgia.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

The kind of fight you don't need a giant robot for

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?
The kind of fight you don't need a giant robot for

Rogue AI Goddess
May 10, 2012

I enjoy the sight of humans on their knees.
That was a joke... unless..?
Whichever outcome favors the Cradle's Graces.

Orbs
Apr 1, 2009
~Liberation~

Ephemeron posted:

Whichever outcome favors the Cradle's Graces.
Oh whoops, I missed a couple images. Fixed. The fight you don't need robots for is betraying to Cradle's Graces, and the gate collapsing is loyal to Memorial Foundation.

Merilan
Mar 7, 2019

The Sort of Fight You Don't Need a Robot For.

I love anytime this game goes into why robots are shaped like humans really, it's such a good breakdown of the juiciest parts of the mecha genre

mr_stibbons
Aug 18, 2019
The Sort of Fight You Don't Need a Robot For.

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
Fight you don't need a robot for

Chuu
Sep 11, 2004

Grimey Drawer
The Sort of Fight You Don't Need a Robot For.

Orbs
Apr 1, 2009
~Liberation~
EPISODE SIX CONCLUSION

I suppose sometimes giant robots just get in the way.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLJAgUEWobg



A reminder of the battle for Earth they were eternally preparing for, not unsettling, but always foreboding. "A zero pointed at nowhere." Neither Luna-Terra nor Pluto remembers who first called it that.

Now, in the trembling of the colony's collapsing Gravity Well, this deck of the wrecked colony where Luna-Terra and Pluto meet seems like a moment frozen in time, eternally receding, growing always distant yet never fading.




"But I'm still here."

"I have orders."

"I know, dummy. They tell me everything too. I wouldn't have come if you weren't ordered."

"I don't know why everyone is expecting I'll be bitter about coming back. I'm not. There's good and bad memories. That's fine. That's fair."

"I'm older now, and it's that much sweeter thinking about the past from here. It's there, and I'm here. I wouldn't go back. Would you?"

"I like being an adult. I don't mind being the aging ace. I don't need to be a glittering hero. We fought so hard against the Existential Threat during the Cold War."

"Whatever they were, trick of the light or not, we did good fighting them. We tried our best. That's the practice kids need."

"Now we're grown up and can see our own futures, and mess them up if we want. I'm way happier to fight now. Fighting has a different meaning now."



"You're really grown up now. I kinda hate it. I miss pushing you around, and when you'd go along with me."

"Me too."

"You still have a hard time making a decision that's good for you all by yourself, though."

"That's why I asked for orders to come here."

"Aha. That's so roundabout. I can't tell if that's a step forward or back."

"I think it would be worse if anyone else shut the observation gate. So I thought it really would have to be me."

“‘A zero pointed nowhere.’ Do you remember who said that?”

"It's better than the actual name. I don't remember who said it, but I always think of it."

"I don't remember either."

"Do we have to do this."

"You're the one who's here to do it."

"It could be really easy."

"You're the one forcing my hand."

"Closing it is just a formality. It already is broken, and it never worked in the first place."

"Then why were you ordered to do it? The fact that you're here means I have to be here."



"If trying to make worlds in space is naive, cutting the Native Sphere off from the universe is just as naive. It's so pathetic and sad."

"It's even more pointless and sad than human beings fighting each other for no reason. I can't bear it. I won't let it happen."

"I changed my mind. Let's fight. I'd rather fight than keep talking like this."

"We're fighting now. This is the sort of fight Ship-Selves were made for."

"Say something."

"I can't. I have nothing. Let's fight like we're supposed to."

"I won't."



"Don't make me kill your dream. Stop having this dream. Give up on space, like the rest of the human race has. Let me close the iris of the Observatory."

"It's because I wanted so much to see what that eye was supposed to see that I can't let you keep looking. That I can't keep looking. That I don't want us to be tortured by that possibility any more."

"That we can't lose you."

"I can feel how scared you are. And how brave. And how much you love."

"But I'm so mad at you. Why can't you believe like you did before!"

"They brought us up with good intentions."

"And did everything they could. They really did. They really thought we could be better than who we were, the best kind of human beings there could be."

"They worked us very hard but they fought for us to be exactly what we wanted to be, because that was human too. Even when it was hard, or didn't make sense, they found a way."

"Even the awful ones really believed. One humanity, every story threaded together. No one left behind. It would be really possible to fix the universe, and let humans live forever in space."



"All without understanding such simple things."

"I wonder how they expected they could unite humanity against aliens when they found us so alien. We will always be our own Existential Threat. Every human understood that but them. No wonder Earth rejected us."

"The observation deck sees nothing, because the threat is on the other side. We are each other's alien."

"It was flawed and it wasn't real, but they weren't that stupid, you know they weren't. The whole point was that it wasn't real yet, and it could be. That's what they wanted to do, they wanted to make it real."

"And now they don't anymore."

"Do you? I mean really, do you want to go home too?"

"..."

"Why can't you just say yes. I wouldn't mind if you actually wanted it. I'd go with you if you wanted it. But I'm not coming with you if you don't."



"Thank you."

"I'm hoping that you win. But if you can't, I will promise this."

"I won't bring us back to Earth empty-handed."

"I'll do that if I die."



"This colony is a place of unsteady gravity. You're not on sure footing here."

"I'm back to being helpless again, like I used to be."

"You can stop me any time. Prove you're ready to close this eye."

"I can't."

"I can't! I don't accept it, but that doesn't mean I won't do it."

"I don't care if you'll love me one way or the other. It's too much. Space is broken, but I don't want to leave. Earth is terrifying, but I can't go back there alone. I have no loyalty either way."

"I'm not strong like you. I just go where gravity takes me. You can hold everyone, but what do I do if I lose you?"

"Your heart is full of everyone, but I can't watch you fight for the universe knowing how little you're thinking of yourself in it."

"Of course I don't know what to do, when fighting for you and fighting your dream are such different things."

"There's too much to do. Of course I don't know what to do. I don't know what you want me to do."

"Luna..."

"God. I can't remember the last time you cried."

(It's striking how Pluto has multiple variations of portraits of her crying, while for Luna-Terra, there isn't a single one that actually shows tears. Even such a small detail as that says a lot about both of them.)

"Oh no. I can. It was when you said you hated it here in space. And I told you, you should go back, and I'll come with you. Those were such hard days, and you didn't want to keep fighting."

"But when I said that, you started crying and crying, and I couldn't understand why. It seemed so simple a solution, and everything you wanted, and I got so mad."

"Then you told me that you didn't want to leave if it meant me giving anything up. You didn't want to give anyone else up either. I wasn't expecting it at all."

"I'm so used to knowing what's on your mind, what's on everyone's mind, I didn't think you could keep something so locked away and hidden."

"No matter how far my tides can reach, there's some places I can't ever know until you tell me. It was the first time I felt frustrated by that."

"I'm most angry at you when I can't do what you want. But I guess that's how you feel about me."

"And how I feel about you."

"Oh baby, you're crying again."



--

Orbs
Apr 1, 2009
~Liberation~
LUNA-TERRA, EPISODE SEVEN: "gently caress space."/PLASTIC VS. METAL

Well, we failed to close the Observatory, and thus Cradle’s Graces has a bit of a lead in the struggle for space. Maybe not a dominant one though, depending on how the next day goes.













Hey, they actually gave us official free time! Gonna spend it in mails and comms, of course.

Day 7 Comms:

quote:



Yes, fights. Exactly.

You've really met your match.

In terms of troublesomeness, I think she has me beat.

Did you know her? Saturn? A generation three pilot.

I was only in charge of combat operations, and the third generation never saw combat, even against the Existential Threat.

Of course I knew her, though. She was one of Iapetus's top candidates.

He used a variety of methods to artificially jump-start extreme tidal sensitivity in otherwise unremarkable pilot candidates.

I thought none of it worked?

The first Ship-Selves had manual controls. To bridge the gap between your intentions and the energy of the Tidal Reactor is a complex language, a conversation between yourself and the machine with advanced mathematics. You use your hands, but it is a fundamentally mental approach.

Dr. Nix wanted to achieve communion through the soul.

Iapetus, however, felt that direct interface with the body would be the most efficient. Teach the body, and the mind and soul would follow.

It sounds dangerous. Also, made up.

It's all made up. There is nothing inherently wrong in using the body as a primary medium.

However, he inflicted the intentions of the Ship-Selves on the pilots, rather than teaching them to express their intentions outward.

He wanted subjects, not actors--it's impossible to read the rhetoric of his methodology any other way.

Was Saturn particularly resistant? Is that why she was downgraded from primary candidate?

No, she was intensely loyal. Like another pair of hands and eyes for Iapetus.

It was the opposite. She accepted all of those intentions perfectly. She was perfect.

You see the problem, don't you? A doll like that doesn't have the will to compete in tidal conflict.

...why are you telling me this?

He realized in the end, he had created someone as boring as he was.




Day 7 mail:


"B: Maybe they died because they were tired of us having the same fight over and over again forever?

A: Are you kidding? They lived for it.

B: Ahahaha. Man.

A: What a bitch.

B: I know, right?
B: I really miss them.

A: Me too. Wanna fight about it?

B: Man. Jeez. Sure. I get it."

Is this the long-awaited return of Pilot B?!



I kind of wish so many of these didn’t obfuscate who actually wrote them, but oh well.



Works out nicely that Saturn's mission is next on our particular schedule, since we just talked about her with Europa.



>LAUNCH



"No problem. I'm only worried about that trickster from Celestial Mechanics. No end of trouble."

"You don't sound too unhappy about that."

"I suppose that trouble will end soon, one way or another."

"It's simply recon this time. But it's on the near side of the Moon."

"And Earth military is there, with autonomous devices. They are in very high orbit, but they will descend rapidly if they notice gravitational variability."

"The Ship-Self is a shape intended for humans to exist in space, outside of Earth's pull. It isn't intended for war."

"The military is here with that most direct of intentions. So don't let them achieve it."

"Funny that the planetary sphere doesn't seem to think we're on the same side."



"We can't let it go as much as Cradle's Graces or Celestial mechanics can't."

"Earth has graciously allowed us considerable leeway in dealing with the closing of the space program on our terms."

"Broken and naive as they find us, Memorial Foundation International begged them to let us try to bring the wayward children back home bloodlessly."

"So we should be thankful that they are just watching, and not descending to rout us."

"Most of Earth would find any loss of human life to space unacceptable, but less and less of Earth considers us fully human."

"So the mission isn't just to protect any stragglers from getting themselves killed by the forces we're trying to save them from?"

"You don't think we can trust them."

"If I trusted them to handle it, I would not have led you, the children of space, to fight this conflict."



"There's a reason I am not having you interfere with the opening of the Gravity Well."

"Everyone will be in one place, at least. What Celestial Mechanics and Cradle's Graces hope will be their salvation could be ours too."

"We're on a tight deadline for something that might be that impossible."

"Win what's in front of you, and worry about that later."







We'll see exactly what "that machine" is soon, but I'm sure you can imagine. A very different robot from the ones we're used to.

Merilan
Mar 7, 2019

ugh Celestial Mechanics is behind but They Hide Together in the Peaceful Moon's Winter Night is too comfortable to not pick

Alumnus Post
Dec 29, 2009

They are weird and troubling. We owe it to our neighbors to kill them.
Pillbug
Risk dying, tearing that machine to pieces. :hellyeah:

Chuu
Sep 11, 2004

Grimey Drawer
The first one where I really wish I could pick both. They Hide Together in the Peaceful Moon's Winter Night

This game is on sale on Steam right now. $10 for the game, an extra $10 for the OST if you want it. "We Know the Devil" also on sale for $2.47.

Orbs
Apr 1, 2009
~Liberation~

Chuu posted:

The first one where I really wish I could pick both. They Hide Together in the Peaceful Moon's Winter Night

This game is on sale on Steam right now. $10 for the game, an extra $10 for the OST if you want it. "We Know the Devil" also on sale for $2.47.
Yeah, it's part of Steam's LGBTQ sale! It sucks that it's not something available in all countries, but it's still a cool thing.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/836450/Heaven_Will_Be_Mine/

On an unrelated note, I was googling stuff for this game and found the perfect thing by aprilcruelsday on tumblr:


https://aprilcruelsday.tumblr.com/post/176568201101/i-swear-on-my-life-that-this-is-canon

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

Chuu posted:

The first one where I really wish I could pick both. They Hide Together in the Peaceful Moon's Winter Night

This game is on sale on Steam right now. $10 for the game, an extra $10 for the OST if you want it. "We Know the Devil" also on sale for $2.47.

I gotta go for this option just because of the way it sounds, too. Voting They Hide Together in the Peaceful Moon's Winter Night

Kangxi
Nov 12, 2016

"Too paranoid for you?"
"Not me, paranoia's the garlic in life's kitchen, right, you can never have too much."

:perfect:

rchandra
Apr 30, 2013


They Hide Together in the Peaceful Moon's Winter Night
What choice is there?

Rogue AI Goddess
May 10, 2012

I enjoy the sight of humans on their knees.
That was a joke... unless..?

rchandra posted:

They Hide Together in the Peaceful Moon's Winter Night
What choice is there?

OddHaberdasher
Jan 21, 2016
Hide Together in the Peaceful Moon's Winter Night

Orbs
Apr 1, 2009
~Liberation~
EPISODE SEVEN CONCLUSION







I was a little surprised the thread decided not to go with the :black101: option, in a landslide no less! I guess a game like this attracts a different breed of goon than I'm used to. Or perhaps it just means Luna-Terra x Saturn is the real OTP?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPUYDess8Xs







"I get that a lot, but this time I'm not making any noise, so don't tell me to be quiet! You're the one flitting all over the place."

:v: Even after nearly getting shot in the head, she can't help it.

"They're listening for gravity; vibrations are not the kind of noise that they care about. So keep moving and don't make noise in your heart."

"Don't make a sound in all possible senses. Don't make a sound physically, emotionally, or spiritually. Calm down. They don't like it if you're not calm."

"First of all, that makes no sense, and secondly I refuse."



"I don't think you should die, so think of something else to do instead, because they can kill you."

"Unlike me or any Ship-Self. So think about as little as you can, okay, and keep your Tidal Reactor's output to a minimum."



"You know, I'm absolutely super good at that. I have a lot of experience with it."

"So I'm absolutely not going to."

"Ha. Well, me too. That's why I suggested it."

"But you're right. I shouldn't have suggested it like that. How about this, instead:"

"Start by thinking about the Earth."





It doesn't look anything like a Ship-Self and bears no resemblance to a human shape, because there's no intention for its design to accommodate humans.

That's the opposite of what it does. It has nothing to express, only a function to perform.




"Probably thought too hard about Earth, but shh all the same."

"It's so creepy. That's supposed to represent Earth? It doesn't even look like humans made it."

"Really? I think it's rather appropriate it doesn't look human at all."

"They can detect an artificial gravity reactor, but they don't really know what to do unless they can lock a target and kill it, so if it can't verify what it is it won't do anything."



"It feels so heavy, suddenly. What is this?"

"I'm telling you, that's the Earth. Real gravity. It's very, very heavy. You can feel its authority? That's the gulf between us and a planet."

"I know that. I guess it feels really different to feel it in person."

"You were saying, a way to avoid it?"

"Do you remember being a normal kid, even for a little bit?"



"...Obviously. I was a really good kid, you know."

"It's checking your gravity against a script. And it thinks... sorry, it doesn't think. It just checks that variance."

"Aren't I pretty excessively varied by now?"

"Just wait there a second. It's hard to teach on the spot."

"It's not that I don't know the idea. Ugh. How are you so good at it?"

"It sounds like you kind of hate that I am."

"I promised I wouldn't die, but I'm mad I have to do this.”





It's easier to hide if their Ship-Selves are turned off, or as close to that as a Ship-Self can be. So they climb outside, to the cold lunar winter, to wait.

"I'm here."

"Are you doing okay?"

"No, obviously. I'm scared."

"Me too. So forget what I said. I hate doing that too."

"You warm, laying there?"

"You're not warm at all! But at least your boobs are soft."

"The autonomous unit doesn't like flirting, huh?"





"Okay. I can do that. That's not as bad."

"Is it that big a difference?"

"There is infinite difference between 'someday' and 'never.'

"I've extremely forgotten how to be patient but I know the difference."

"You're right. It really is important to never forget."

"It's still not going away."

"Yeah. It's a lot more patient than us, huh?"

"It's looking at you, too. Aren't you on their side?"



"So Memorial Foundation really is that stupid?"

"Maybe. In their eyes we're as bad as you."

"So why go back?"

"Because gently caress them."

"They don't want anything to do with us. Memorial Foundation thinks it's optimal for humanity to return, but I think many humans think it would be just fine if we died."



"Aha! Spite I can understand."

"Ha. I can be petty too."

"I want back. Even if only for spite."

"We will bring them back a little taste of what it is like to be us."

"They're afraid that we might bring something back with us."

"And they should be, much more than they already are. That's what I want."

"Knowing that you're just as petulant and petty as me, and this weak too, makes me reconsider you."

"In a good way."

"It's wonderful."



"Oh. Huh."

"I said maybe."

"Don't get full of yourself."

"Sorry."

"There's no way we're getting any more than half of what we want, at best. You're only hoping for half of what you want, so I wonder if you'll even get that, if you get it."

"I don't expect things to go my way but, you know--"

"I hope you're coming along, wherever it is."

"Truer than you know, LT, whichever way we go, we're going together."



"You made me go upside down on purpose again."

"You're so good at evasion but scoring a direct hit is so easy."

"...You win."

"It'll be nice to see the end of every world but this one alongside you."



"Or not bored, but uncomprehending, and then it lost interest."

"But I'll stay here with you until it leaves for good."

"Because flight or fight, petty bitch to petty bitch, lab rat to upperclassman brat,"

(There appears to possibly be a missing line here, since it just ends with that comma. I had to double-check and the next line is indeed Saturn’s. She fills in the blank like only she can though.)

"Haha, what really? Do you maybe love me too?"

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

Man, I really enjoy Luna-Terra and Saturn.

But picking Luna-Terra as the viewpoint character really seems to be paying off, she's great.

Orbs
Apr 1, 2009
~Liberation~
LUNA-TERRA, EPISODE EIGHT- "Without guilt or regret or expectation."/Give me the moon



Saturn and Luna-Terra have narrowly avoided certain death at the cold limbs of Earth's military, and have gotten closer as a result. Today we'll see what's in store for us with Pluto.

Day 8 comms:

quote:



Reminds me when we were fighting some theoretical, alien, Existential Threat, and not each other.

Would you prefer those days?

I don't think so. No, I definitely wouldn't. I like being less stupid.

Fighting with people is better than not even thinking about people at all. Instead of fantasies.

...aren't you going to say "that's still your problem"?

I know when I drilled you like little soldiers, I taught you the opposite too well, but I wouldn't mind if you had second thoughts.

Europa.

Do you feel guilty?

We should all feel guilty. But me and my peers especially. We caused this conflict to be played out, and we failed to teach you well enough to endure it.

The future we had hoped you would live in was much too childish for you.

I know. I'm not upset about that. Or I would never have come back here, by your side again.

I don't want your guilt.

Or my guilt.

What do you need, Luna-Terra.

I would like you to give me your orders.

Without guilt or regret or expectation.

...of course.

Though I've raised you terribly, Luna-Terra, I have always been quite proud of you.

She's always been so good it's scary.

I can't deal with good kids. That was Nix's job.

Ha. True.

But I don't hear a reason to trust me? Or are you going to ground me.

You're my student, Luna-Terra.

I don't have to trust you. Trusting you is not my concern.

I can't keep you out of trouble anymore, or even tell you what to do.

I can only advise my last remaining student.

Whether you listen to me or not, or to that girl or not, whether you fulfill your duty to Memorial Foundation, or betray us once more.

...

You're getting too permissive in your old age.

I've always been permissive. And I've always been old.

I thought you said I was in charge.

I will advise you no matter what decision you make, Luna-Terra.

And not quietly.

Then what's your advice, since I'm just going to do it.

Don't get out of dealing with your ex by indulging your death wish.



Day 8 mail:

--"complimenting their new humanity. Existential Threats are always weaker than us, but they have ways that we do not, and they are always waiting in the corners of the world, looking to overcome us in other ways.

In the case of the Existential Threat as it existed in space, we created a weapon, the Krun Macula, powerful enough to defeat them once and for all, singlehandedly, and we did so, and we lost every reason to be in space, and we ended all mystery and possibility.

So it is surprising that in filling the void, it became the pilots who took the role of the Existential Threat, as is known to occur on rare occasions on Earth."

Just the one mail this time. The Krun Macula awaits.





>LAUNCH



"What? Oh. Really? You don't need me on standby?"

"Yes, but you're making everyone anxious. The pacing and sighing is becoming melodramatic."

"Even worse, some of the girls are beginning to find it very attractive."

"Show them some mercy and give yourself a break, please."

"...Sorry about that. I just snapped at one of the deck mechanics, I am getting tired."

"I know, and it's given her such a disgusting crush on you, so please leave before more of my crew become compromised."

"Ahaha. I still don't get why that happens."



"It's good that you're not full of yourself, but you have no awareness of your own value."

"I'm aware. It's not a mystery to me why someone would like to earn the approval of someone who treats them as if they don't deserve it."

"It's an intoxicating feeling."

"So why do they think I wouldn't want that too?"

"I am just as greedy and childish."

"It annoys me. I'm not an invincible monster. I need the same things."

"Oh, grow up. You're no different than any of my other girls."

"You're the only one who thinks you actually have to be this made-up person."





Yeah, same, Luna-T.

"You know my girls aren't stupid enough to not see what a fool you are alongside your strength. They wouldn't find you so charming otherwise."

"Didn't you learn anything from your terrible relationship with my tragically pathetic niece?"

"I... I um... learned to not pretend I could give someone what she wanted--"

"Wrong. You should have learned that just because someone likes you doesn't mean they don't also know you're an idiot."

"No one needs you to be stronger. You need to let yourself be weaker."

"Do that quickly, so I don't have to hear any more complaints. From you or those girls."

"Aren't you tired of hearing them yourself?"







The wording of the choices may sound familiar from a previous mission, but the order is subtly and importantly different this time.

Orbs fucked around with this message at 19:49 on Oct 18, 2019

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

Make up and forgive

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