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TheLastRoboKy: May 2, 2009; Finishing the game with everyone else's continues

Honestly this sort of thing will pay dividends for her party. The sheer crazy gains she made in the Hunter with a dude whose entire thing was he had loads of tattoos and has had the Labor member Fitzgibbon (brother of Bamby-man from NIB) sweating and going "we need to french kiss coal on camera help" not realising people want someone who turns up and loving tries.

# ? Nov 28, 2019 07:42

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BBJoey: Oct 31, 2012

Pile Of Garbage posted:

My mind is boggling: https://www.itnews.com.au/news/broadband-tax-now-planned-to-kick-in-july-2020-534698

so hang on just so i'm clear here: the Government intends for NBN to hold a monopoly, plans to make it private, but is also going to tax people who don't use it?

like, at least with private healthcare, you can theoretically shop around. for broadband, the government is saying if you don't buy from this particular company, have a tax?

# ? Nov 28, 2019 07:42

ungulateman: Apr 18, 2012; pretentious fuckwit who isn't half as literate or insightful or clever as he thinks he is

love 2 rely on racists to fight capitalism

# ? Nov 28, 2019 07:48

Zenithe: Feb 25, 2013; _{Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.}

Fun part of the union bill is that in order to merge unions it needs to be deemed in the public interest.

Which is basically "gently caress you, no" if any union looks to broaden their horizon.

I'm sure it's also a coincidence that it wouldn't allow for groups like the CFMEU to form, for sure.

# ? Nov 28, 2019 07:48

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

Reckon because Pauline has alot of union support in regional areas.

So maybe broken clock.

# ? Nov 28, 2019 08:39

lih: May 15, 2013; Just a friendly reminder of what it looks like.

We'll do punctuation later.

Hanson said it's just the government didn't agree to enough of her amendments, while the government was convinced they had agreed to enough to make her happy lol

# ? Nov 28, 2019 08:44

TheLastRoboKy: May 2, 2009; Finishing the game with everyone else's continues

lih posted:

Hanson said it's just the government didn't agree to enough of her amendments, while the government was convinced they had agreed to enough to make her happy lol

No one has any idea what they're doing but we're still waiting for them to realise they have no idea what they're doing.

# ? Nov 28, 2019 08:52

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Pretty impressive that One Nation are more progressive than that getup sports candidate

# ? Nov 28, 2019 09:01

cohsae: Jun 19, 2015

Hard to celebrate this because it feels like a win for Pauline. Honestly think more shithead ALP votes will bleed to PHON now that she can lay claim to defeating this bill and saving the unions. On the other hand the government can always try to introduce more amendments to secure her vote, and the average LNP pollie would slit a child's throat if it meant they got to poo poo on unions so look forward to the Ensuring Integrity bill passing with a new mosque-demolition amendment.

# ? Nov 28, 2019 09:23

Wheezle: Aug 13, 2007; 420 stop boats erryday

Yeah this is going to pass with some amendment that probably just makes it racist as well as anti-worker.

# ? Nov 28, 2019 10:57

Pile Of Garbage: May 28, 2007

BBJoey posted:

so hang on just so i'm clear here: the Government intends for NBN to hold a monopoly, plans to make it private, but is also going to tax people who don't use it?

like, at least with private healthcare, you can theoretically shop around. for broadband, the government is saying if you don't buy from this particular company, have a tax?

From what I understand they're trying to make retail service providers pay for the wireless infrastructure that the NBN Co has to build in regional communities. Of course if retail service providers decide to pass the tax onto consumers then really we'll be the ones paying for it.

Regarding what services the tax will apply to the following is from an explanatory memoranda associated with the bill:

quote:

Chargeable premises are premises where a carriage service provider (i.e. a provider of retail broadband services) provides a designated broadband service. A designated broadband service is a carriage service provided over a fixed line that is technically capable of providing download transmission speeds of 25 megabits per second (Mbps) or more.

The technical speed requirement is on the line, not the service. This ensures nbn�s 12 Mbps services are captured and carriers cannot avoid the charge by offering sub-25 Mbps services over lines capable of 25 Mbps or more. For example, it is intended that the charge would apply to all premises serviced by fibre to the premises (FTTP), fibre to the node (FTTN), fibre to the basement (FTTB), fibre to the curb (FTTC) and hybrid-fibre coaxial (HFC).

Short answer: basically loving everything. I've currently got TPG FTTB because it's way fuckin better than NBN so :rip:

# ? Nov 28, 2019 11:32

hambeet: Sep 13, 2002

That's covering every nbn service ever though?

Or I'm reading that wrong.

hambeet fucked around with this message at 12:06 on Nov 28, 2019

# ? Nov 28, 2019 11:51

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

What's this all about? I have NBN already but I get charged more or something?

# ? Nov 28, 2019 11:53

Pile Of Garbage: May 28, 2007

The tax is on non-NBN services. It's like the Medicare levy surcharge but even dumber.

# ? Nov 28, 2019 12:28

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

So if a company tries to sell a non NBN alternative to whatever garbage system the NBN puts in place, be it wireless, FTTN or satellite you get whacked with an extra fee?

jesus loving chirst..

# ? Nov 28, 2019 13:22

Pile Of Garbage: May 28, 2007

hooman posted:

So if a company tries to sell a non NBN alternative to whatever garbage system the NBN puts in place, be it wireless, FTTN or satellite you get whacked with an extra fee?

jesus loving chirst..

It only applies to fixed-line services so wireless is excluded (Something something artificially increasing competitiveness of residential home 4G services to line Telstra's pockets). Also technically it's the service provider that has to pay the fee, not the consumer. However there's nothing stopping them from passing the cost onto consumers and historically that's exactly what has happened.

# ? Nov 28, 2019 13:30

Megillah Gorilla: Sep 22, 2003; If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.; Bread Liar

In more good news:

SA National Party facing deregistration unless it can prove it has 200 members by Friday

gently caress you Barnaby :lol:

# ? Nov 28, 2019 13:43

cohsae: Jun 19, 2015

Barnaby posted:

In South Australia, with the demise of Cory Bernardi's Conservative Party and of Family First, it would be terrible to see the loss of the South Australian Nationals as well.

LMAO

Reading this sentence and doing the Vince McMahon meme.

# ? Nov 28, 2019 13:50

teacup: Dec 20, 2006; = M I L K E R S =

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/stepmother-may-serve-just-one-year-in-jail-for-horrific-sexual-assault-20191125-p53dyt.html

What is wrong with Victoria�s courts where bashing paramedics and raping children is not worth putting people away? I�m not saying she needs life in prison but how is this in line with anything, she raped and beat her five year old stepchild.

# ? Nov 28, 2019 20:09

bell jar: Feb 25, 2009

teacup posted:

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/stepmother-may-serve-just-one-year-in-jail-for-horrific-sexual-assault-20191125-p53dyt.html

What is wrong with Victoria�s courts where bashing paramedics and raping children is not worth putting people away? I�m not saying she needs life in prison but how is this in line with anything, she raped and beat her five year old stepchild.

excuse me but this is the legal system must be fellated thread. i think you'll find that whatever the sentence was, it was symbolic of a just and fair criminal system and not the result of wealthy white people funding the case, enjoy your probation goon sir

# ? Nov 28, 2019 20:41

Robodog: Oct 22, 2004; ...how does that work?

would have been cool if all those millions went to her mental health care at any point since she was clearly in a bad way before even getting to the court case stuff

# ? Nov 28, 2019 21:06

teacup: Dec 20, 2006; = M I L K E R S =

Robodog posted:

would have been cool if all those millions went to her mental health care at any point since she was clearly in a bad way before even getting to the court case stuff

100%. This just feels like bad from both sides. I dont doubt from her upbringing that it was horrible. But where was the support? Why didn�t the government help? And then when she has committed the crime they basically ignore an abused 5 year old girl and say �oh yeah but the rapist was messed up, right?�

Ugh

# ? Nov 28, 2019 21:23

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

Maybe locking her up for a long time in prison would in fact exacerbate her problems rather than solve them and not be good for anyone :shrug:

# ? Nov 28, 2019 21:40

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Having Myers drop in with a QC army and poo poo sounds like a pretty run of the mill example of failure Victorian courts in operation.

# ? Nov 28, 2019 21:48

ModernMajorGeneral: Jun 25, 2010

Individual cases notwithstanding 'people aren't imprisoned enough' is extremely low down the list of problems with the Victorian justice system.

Like what world do you live in where scrutiny and public outrage about something like this leads to 'less influence of rich people with lawyers' before 'more indigenous women in prison'

# ? Nov 28, 2019 22:06

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

https://www.couriermail.com.au/busi...ebc9ec25035d08d

Grilld got the heads up that an article is about to come out accusing them of systematic wage theft.

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The founder and managing director of Grill’d has sent a panicked message to staff ahead of an upcoming media article that is expected to raise concerns about the company’s training program.
Simon Crowe, who founded the healthy burger chain in Hawthorn in 2004, sent an email to employees at 5.45pm last night titled “urgent update”.
A copy of the email was posted to Twitter by UTS journalism student Alex Turner-Cohen, who has previously written for news.com.au.

“Any suggestion that we have fallen short of our values is one that I take very seriously,” the email said.

“We are aware of a pending media story that will wrongly claim we have worked against the interests of our franchise partners, and our restaurant teams, including how we conduct our training.

“At Grill’d we are always seeking to improve our business systems and processes and we have worked hard to make Grill’d a place of work that people can enjoy, including improvements to the quality of Grill’d training.”

An accompanying video message was posted to Twitter by another user.

“It’s actually come to our attention that there’s a media article about to be released about Grill’d challenging who we are relative to our treatment of franchise partners, the treatment of our teams, and even the culture at Grill’d,” Mr Crowe says in the video.

“I personally am very proud of what we’ve created, I hope you are too. The intent of this is to give you an insight to what might lie ahead.

“But I also wanted to point out that our values of passion, leadership, ownership and trust have been part of our fabric since the beginning and they remain.

“That’s how we will engage with you, we will listen, we will learn and we will always strive to make Grill’d a better place than she is today. The purpose of our business is unchanged. It’s to positively impact the lives of our people and our communities.

“I want you to get behind that, I know you do, it is the essence of what happens in our restaurants delivered by you guys with belief, with leadership, with training, with that pizzazz that makes Grill’d and amazing place to be.

“Thank you for your support — bleed relish.”

In a statement to news.com.au, a Grill’d spokesman said: “Grill’d started out as the little Australian burger joint that has, over 15 years, grown from one start-up outlet to over 130 local businesses.

“We are immensely proud of the opportunities we have provided to many thousands of Australians since we opened our first restaurant in Melbourne in March 2004. We are also proud of our people, our product and our culture.

“Any suggestion we have fallen short of our high standards will be treated very seriously.”

https://twitter.com/binchyleah/status/1199629844339838976?s=20

https://twitter.com/AlexTurnerCohen/status/1199588497570402309?s=20

Long time coming.

# ? Nov 28, 2019 22:10

cohsae: Jun 19, 2015

"Bleed relish"? U wot

# ? Nov 28, 2019 22:13

Zenithe: Feb 25, 2013; _{Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.}

cohsae posted:

"Bleed relish"? U wot

When you rely on unpaid labour you�re gonna get some poo poo slogans

# ? Nov 28, 2019 22:18

teacup: Dec 20, 2006; = M I L K E R S =

ModernMajorGeneral posted:

Individual cases notwithstanding 'people aren't imprisoned enough' is extremely low down the list of problems with the Victorian justice system.

Like what world do you live in where scrutiny and public outrage about something like this leads to 'less influence of rich people with lawyers' before 'more indigenous women in prison'

I�m just coming from this specific case and others like ambos being bashed get off with nothing.

There�s a scale here. I don�t support Derryn Hinch style sex offender lists with mandatory apps to show where they are, and I�m not saying she�s away for life.

quote:

On October 18, 2017 the child was airlifted from a regional Victorian town to the Royal Children's Hospital, suffering lacerations to her liver and pancreas. She was covered in bruises and there were also extensive injuries to the child's genital area.

The organ damage, particularly to her liver, was potentially life-threatening and similar to the high-velocity injuries acquired in a car accident, according to forensic paediatric specialist Dr John Gall. After several days in the paediatric intensive care unit, the girl spent almost three weeks in hospital, but continues to suffer from an acute post traumatic stress disorder as a result of the brutal assault. Now aged seven, she requires daily medication and weekly counselling sessions to curb violent outbursts and destructive behaviour.

The justice system should be more focused (or an actual focus!) on rehabilitation. But that is not and never has been and the vast, vast majority of every society on earth still maintains it needs a punishment angle to it as well. This punishment is just so manifestly out of touch with what society at large would expect someone who has digitally penetrated a 5 year old child in her care. It�s absolutely laughable to just fall back on her background for this.

# ? Nov 28, 2019 22:19

ModernMajorGeneral: Jun 25, 2010

teacup posted:

I’m just coming from this specific case and others like ambos being bashed get off with nothing.

There’s a scale here. I don’t support Derryn Hinch style sex offender lists with mandatory apps to show where they are, and I’m not saying she’s away for life.

The justice system should be more focused (or an actual focus!) on rehabilitation. But that is not and never has been and the vast, vast majority of every society on earth still maintains it needs a punishment angle to it as well. This punishment is just so manifestly out of touch with what society at large would expect someone who has digitally penetrated a 5 year old child in her care. It’s absolutely laughable to just fall back on her background for this.

I don't dispute any of this, my point is that in 2019 Australia you will never produce any positive social change based off a case like this that does not bolster right-wing authoritarianism. Look at all the buzzwords in this ('victorian bleeding heart elitist judges releasing aboriginal child rapists'), I can feel Andrew Bolt's saliva - or Stormfront's - dripping down my computer screen already.

# ? Nov 28, 2019 22:30

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Lock her up for the good of the left :confuoot:

# ? Nov 28, 2019 22:32

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY: Feb 3, 2006

Pauline says she didn't pass the bill because the government weren't hard enough on Westpac.

# ? Nov 28, 2019 22:32

BBJoey: Oct 31, 2012

I think the coalition is going to increasingly be torn between its laissez-faire and populist poles. Not that Labor will take advantage of this fact.

# ? Nov 28, 2019 22:42

Other: Jul 10, 2007; Post it easy!

Speaking of the libs being torn

quote:

Senior ministers including Treasurer Josh Frydenberg could have their preselections challenged as disgruntled rank-and-file Liberal Party members demand the government ditch plans to ban cash payments of more than $10,000.

As the nation's peak business group, the Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry (ACCI), joined calls to abandon the proposal, it now appears at the very least the planned start date of January 1 will be missed.

The party's Victorian branch at the weekend overwhelmingly endorsed a motion calling for the plan to restrict payments to less than $10,000 in cash to be abandoned.

First proposed in 2018, the ban emerged from the government's black economy taskforce that recommended a crackdown on large cash transactions in a bid to prevent tax avoidance and catch organised criminals. Under the laws, businesses will face criminal and civil penalties if they make or accept cash payments greater than $10,000.

The move has attracted intense criticism from some members of the community. Treasury consultation attracted more than 3500 comments while a Senate inquiry has received more than 2600 separate submissions.

The Liberal member to move the motion at the Victorian conference, Steve Holland, said many people were concerned about the government's move, which seemed to be an attack on a legal form of payment.

He said people were fearful they would encounter restrictions on using money at a time when the country potentially faced a period of negative interest rates.

"The substantial issue is that for many people, this plan is antithetical to the values of the Liberal Party. It also flips the presumption of innocence on its head," he said.

Mr Holland said there was strong opposition within the Victorian Liberal Party that could be turned on ministers such as the Treasurer who were moving the legislation through the Parliament.

"The motion isn't binding [on MPs] but in Victoria preselections are being brought forward," he said. "Ministers have to go back to face party members to get their preselections and this is an issue for many people."
Several businesses and organisations, including small business ombudsman Kate Carnell, have called for the ban to be delayed. Ms Carnell said given breaches of the ban were criminal offences, many businesses needed time to train staff around the laws.

The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age has confirmed the law will not be in place by the proposed January 1 start date, with the government now waiting on a Senate committee report that is not due to be completed until February. If approved by the Senate, the laws will not be imposed retrospectively.

That committee has been told by ACCI that a "critical review" of the evidence underpinning the ban needed to take place, warning it could make the black economy situation worse.

"There is insufficient evidence on the scope and size of the problem and how the prohibition of cash payments over the stated amount will eliminate the issue," it said. "While the bill may make it easier to track and trace payments, it will be ineffectual in so far as reducing or eliminating black market activity. The prohibition of cash payments may lead to more sophisticated black market activity that may become harder to monitor and trace."

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/cash-limit-plan-could-provoke-preselection-challenges-20191128-p53ezw.html

# ? Nov 28, 2019 23:56

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

This isn't quite as good as the Dutton supervillain photo, but I hope it becomes a go to photo for Morrison.

https://twitter.com/ellinghausen/status/1199900919493615616?s=20

# ? Nov 29, 2019 01:38