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I read most of these books obsessively as a child, and then reread all of them recently some fifteen years later. My perspectives on Nynaeve, Elayne, Galad, Gawyn, and Moiraine all basically did a 180. It's kind of jarring. I think I may have been an idiot as a child.
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ChickenWing posted:Most people are. Hell, I thought Goodkind was a good writer up until my early twenties. Yeah I did that one too. It's bewildering, in retrospect.
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Dec 12, 2019 16:49
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I always liked Cadsuane because she's a rare glimpse into Aes Sedai being actually competent. Gradually finding out that the mysterious tower full of lady wizards was full of petty, short sighted, squabbling, ineffective people whose best talent was the ability to maintain a certain level of mystique to the outside world was a major letdown. Cadsuane was a horribly flawed person, but she was effective at what she did, intently focused on doing things that actually matter, and willing to learn from her mistakes.
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Dec 12, 2019 21:40
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:He gets it off-screen prior to TGS. I distinctly remember her getting mad/confused because he took the power-wrought blade off and gave the gem encrusted hilt back to her.
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Dec 13, 2019 20:51
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I figured some of it was covered by the whole ta'veren thing. I was okay with them making him their leader, but I didn't care for all the awkward bowing and scraping that went along with it.
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Dec 23, 2019 16:46
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The slower books are a lot less obnoxious when you weren't waiting multiple years for them to come out.
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Dec 28, 2019 17:06
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That works for visible stuff like explosions, sure. But, like, there was that duel between Nynaeve and Moghedien that was basically them just standing in a room glaring at each other for five minutes. There's plenty of times where it doesn't look like anything's even happening if you can't see the weaves.
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Jan 3, 2020 01:14
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silvergoose posted:No no, that was when Elayne tried to do it and failed miserably. Elayne is the embodiment of failing forward.
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Jan 3, 2020 01:53
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I do wonder if they'll keep all of the female characters more or less unchanged personality-wise or not.
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Jan 3, 2020 03:03
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I always sort of read it as the Creator made the world, made the Dark One to stir up poo poo and reset the world by the point it started to get stale, made the Dragon (who is guaranteed by the nature of reality to stop the Dark One from ultimately winning), and then hosed off to go do something else.
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Jan 7, 2020 19:14
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I honestly think a weekly release schedule is better for making a big show. If you just dump a whole season at once then people watch it in two days and forget about it until the next season releases. You don't have people speculating on future episodes, and you can barely even discuss the show at all unless you've both already finished it.
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Jan 10, 2020 22:04
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I get a lot of complaints about book one from people I get to read this. People say it's a slowly paced rip off of Lord of the Rings and I have to tell them that the series does get a lot weirder and more unique after that.
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Jan 23, 2020 17:57
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I think the thrust of it was meant to be that she was saving her nation from the bad people who wanted to rule it instead. I just don't think it really came off that way, it just came off as her being entitled.
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Mar 9, 2020 02:14
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I've always pictured sort of a jacket kind of deal.
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Mar 9, 2020 06:45
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Was any Darkfriend ever redeemed in the entire series? I seem to recall them all being weirdly committed in a way that struck me as kind of unrealistic.
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Mar 10, 2020 20:32
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It seems like you'd want something with more punch than a sword in that case. Do power-wrought weapons cut through armour?
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Jun 4, 2020 15:07
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I'd expect them to focus more on unstable rage crazy man, personally.
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Jun 5, 2020 06:46
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It reminds me a little bit of Flashman. A villainous cowardly bully who spends most of his life trying to escape danger, getting dragged into it despite his best efforts, and somehow coming out the other side being hailed as a hero entirely by accident.
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Jun 25, 2020 05:04
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It suddenly occurs to me that male channelers are going to be a big problem for the Seanchan in the future. They presumably don't have a means of controlling them, which means even if they stick to killing them then other nations are going to have an advantage over them when they get their poo poo sorted out and start training large numbers of men to channel.
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Jun 30, 2020 14:07
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Should the White Tower have been written as incompetent as it was? When I first started the books it was a neat idea, a tower of mysterious lady wizards manipulating the world. It turning out to be a bumbling fiasco when we got more acquainted with it was kind of a let down.
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Jul 17, 2020 06:15
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I'm glad we got an ending, but I found Sanderson stuff a pretty big slog to get through.
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Aug 15, 2020 03:42
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Basileus777 posted:Of all the things to criticize Sanderson for vis a vis Jordan, this is the most bizarre one. The most dramatic difference between the two other than the style of prose itself is the pacing, Sanderson rips through events at a speed Jordan hadn't been able to for over a decade. Jordan wouldn't have finished the series in 3 books, it just wasn't in the cards no matter his intentions. Oh I didn't mean in the sense that it was longer. I meant in the sense that I enjoyed it less, therefore reading it took more effort on my part. I appreciate that it got finished, and I don't fault Sanderson for it.
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Aug 16, 2020 03:58
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How old is Min? I always had a vague notion she was a few years older than Rand.
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Aug 19, 2020 18:26
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I was always under the impression that the dagger wasn't anything special other than just being an object from Shadar Logoth and that anything he picked up there would have had similar effects.
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Feb 18, 2021 15:45
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I thought it went without saying that the sudden technological development was heavily influenced by the Pattern saying "Now it's time for there to be tech" and the world contorting itself to make it happen.
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Feb 20, 2021 21:12
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The Seanchan sounded like they mostly had their poo poo together. Was that because Ishamael was leaving them alone?
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Feb 22, 2021 00:43
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There's some subtle line about one of the Seanchan thinking that few could even think about disobedience after being made to kneel before the glory of the Crystal Throne. It's easy to miss it.
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Feb 22, 2021 05:29
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Wrist thick and a foot long?
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May 14, 2021 20:54
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"Men are so violent, I should beat some sense into them." - Nynaeve probably.
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May 15, 2021 03:31
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Was it true that Robert Jordan only offered film rights to Wheel of Time with a "no male nudity" clause or was that just an urban legend I heard once?
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May 18, 2021 15:23
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Were there any major good guys that were described as unattractive? I'm struggling to remember one.
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May 18, 2021 23:12
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Zore posted:I think this hinges on what you mean by major. I guess maybe I mean good guy characters, that are in a majority of the books, and have frequent point of view chapters. Would-be protagonists. Siuane probably counts.
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May 19, 2021 00:18
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I was second guessing myself about how often Siuan had point of view chapters and found a stats page on how many PoV chapters each character gets. Siuan with 18 comes in just ahead of Fain, tied with Cadsuane, and behind Gawyn and Galad.
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May 19, 2021 02:08
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Zore posted:Would we count Verin here? She's probably the best example though her POVs are limited due to her twist I was wondering that too. I think probably not? She seems like more of a (really cool) side character.
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May 19, 2021 05:54
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How many shows even have trans people that aren't just there for a cheap joke? I can think of a few, it's definitely more than it was, but it's still not exactly a lot. I mean gently caress it's only recently that queer characters on TV became semi-common. It's probably like another 10-20 years before trans representation in media becomes widespread. I'd put money on them just ignoring the entire issue and having zero trans representation. They'll probably axe the whole Aran'gar plotline though. That just seems like a can of worms, and it's not particularly necessary anyway. Theoretically, though, is there an issue with just saying that transwomen channel saidin and transmen channel saidar? That seems thematically appropriate to the trans experience. Which magic power you use doesn't determine your gender any more than your chromosomes do.
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May 28, 2021 15:48
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I wonder if the Rand/Lews stuff could be shot like Smeagol/Gollum scenes.
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Jun 1, 2021 21:01
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I appreciate that someone finished it, but I can't read it again. It gives me uncanny valley vibes that kind of make my skin crawl.
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Jul 10, 2021 04:27
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I think it's probably fair to say that to start out with Aviendha was indifferent to the concept, Min was resigned to it, and Elayne was shocked by it. It also seems fair to say that the three of them all sorted out their issues with it, and with each other, before getting any input from Rand, and then informed him what was going to happen. I don't think blaming Rand for any of this is fair.
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Jaxyon posted:So what you're saying here is that Rand is the one pushed into a poly relationship with questionable consent. Sure I mean you can say that, and it's probably true in a manner of speaking, because it was literally decreed by fate. But at that point you're probably going into philosophical concepts of free will, more than any practical real world concerns about consent. I think a rough timeline of how this all happened, if memory serves, was: - Min foresees that Rand is the man she's going to marry, and that she's going to have to share him with two other women. - Rand meets Min and makes friends with her. - Rand meets Elayne and they both independently fall in love with each other without acknowledging it. - Min at some point tells Elayne about her prophecy and that they're going to end up in a relationship with Rand and another woman. - Elayne meets Aviendha and makes friends with her. - Rand meets Elayne again later and they have a cute minor relationship in which they play stupid-children-in-love mind games with each other and then Elyane dumps him. - Elayne tells Avidendha that she and Rand are together and makes Aviendha promise to guard him for her. - Aviendha falls in love with Rand at some point during all this bullshit. - Rand and Aviendha sleep together. Aviendha feels bad about it because of her promise to Elayne and because of Aiel cultural rules is now both obligated to kill Rand, and to let Elayne kill her. - Aviendha confesses to Elayne. Elayne tells her about the prophecy. They agree to share Rand with Min. - The three of them confront Rand with this, who this whole time has been beating himself up over being a sexual deviant in love with three women. - Through the power of ~true love~ he rejects his cultural upbringing and they all agree to get married. Really the whole time the only issue any of them had with this was that it was a cultural taboo for most of them. You could probably criticize the author for setting the situation up in the first place if you wanted to, and there's certainly a lot of places in these books that give reason to think he's a dirty old man, but it seems to be justified in the fiction.
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I think the thing that really put me off Elayne as a person was during the trip to Ebou Dar where she spent the entire time aggressively bullying Mat.
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