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How are u posted:Well gently caress. I got into these books in undergrad like 12 years ago and now this thread has caused me to buy The Eye of the World on kindle. I'm planning on skipping books 6-9 myself, and probably a good bit of 5 if necessary. There's wiki summaries if I just can't handle it.
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Atlas Hugged posted:It's in a lot of the dialogue, especially between him and Egwene. It comes up between him and the other boys as well. To me it's mostly just a case of telling and not showing, reminding us the reader that he deep down wants an adventure despite the thoughts in his head being exactly opposite. The sword thing in Baerlon stands out especially because it's himself saying, "Oh man I've been waiting for the day that I could wear a sword in a city," but the preceding 200 pages mention nothing of the sort. It's then dropped entirely until Shadar Logoth and the reference to the mayor's map, 100 pages later. This thread made me start a reread, and he does actually bring up that he's daydreamed about adventures, or talked about it with the other boys before. He doesn't say it to anyone, but it's part of his POV that he's wanted to go on an adventure.
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Sep 27, 2019 05:42
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RC Cola posted:Right, it makes sense. You're a boy from a small farm town. Adventure sounds great. Until your father is almost murdered, your hometown burns down, and now you are told you have no choice but to adventure or everyone you love will die. I didn't say he still wanted to go on an adventure, he just wanted to when he was a kid. It did not turn out like he expected. Edit: Also, page 91 of Eye of the World he does say he daydreamed of going on adventures, and he talks about it several times once he grabs Tam's sword that he used to play around with Mat and Perrin like they were heroes. seaborgium fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Sep 27, 2019 |
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Sep 27, 2019 17:15
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Atlas Hugged posted:91 of the paper back is just him stumbling after Egwene. Maybe we should go back chapter markers? We should, I got one of the collections off Kindle. He just put Tam on the litter to drag him back, and he decides to strap the sword to his belt in Chapter 6.
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Sep 27, 2019 20:57
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Syncopated posted:The advantage of a visual medium is that you can have just non-stop braid pulling action going on while also doing other stuff. A bit like showing tits in GoT, really. It always bugged me though, I've never seen anyone do that in real life. Pulling your hair must hurt like a motherfucker, and she does it constantly. I'm just hoping for a background tapestry that looks suspiciously like that gif of the entire plot of WoT, with Nynaeve and Egwene tugging braids and smoothing dresses, then Rand runs by in the background with his hair on fire and Mat runs by screaming about dice. Give away the whole plot in the first episode or two just for shits and giggles.
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Oct 18, 2019 19:11
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DarkHorse posted:I read it more as stroking, like playing with her hair more than as a yanking motion I would think so too, but a couple of times it's mentioned that another character thinks she might just yank her whole braid out because she's so upset and doing it so hard. Anxiously smoothing out your clothes makes sense to me, but pulling your own hair that hard is just weird.
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Oct 19, 2019 17:32
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bloom posted:In one of the later books someone makes the point that the oath about not lying actually makes people more suspicious about Aes Sedai. Like everyone always assumes they're doing some wordplay pseudo-lying even if they're just trying to tell the truth. Yeah, that's where I could agree with their attitude. Even the ones who tell you the truth will not tell you the whole truth, or are flat out using it to manipulate whoever they're talking to. They'll admit it, and quite often they're huge dicks to whoever they're around at the time.
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Oct 29, 2019 20:38
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RC Cola posted:^ exactly. And perrin needs the father figure Not just a father figure, though. Perrin's arc had a poo poo ton of fighting in it, having someone around like Tam who could justifiably train/lead soldiers and help form an army was pretty important. Tam filled that role perfectly, what with being a blademaster and fairly high ranking in an elite combat unit.
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Nov 6, 2019 20:32
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Atlas Hugged posted:
The first king or noble definitely had to kill to make a noble class.
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Nov 8, 2019 18:51
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Mad Hamish posted:You actually forgot the best one, Ruby Rhod? I believe you mean Roddy Roddy Piper. When he shows up at the Hall of Servants they drat well better have some bubble gum. And Rod Serling is in the corner narrating the whole thing.
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Nov 15, 2019 19:26
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Ani posted:I'm doing a reread now and I really hit a wall when I started the Sanderson books. It's not just Mat that he doesn't do well. I found The Gathering Storm somewhat manageable, Towers of Midnight worse, and I can't even bring myself to read A Memory of Light. He did a good job of wrapping up the plot threads but everything just feels so clunky. If I remember correctly, they did say which parts were written before Sanderson took over. I think it was mostly the Mat stuff that Jordan had already written, but I could be wrong, so any weird inconsistencies I figured were just where Sanderson had to insert a chapter or two somewhere.
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Nov 22, 2019 18:32
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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:Yeah I mean Rands reasoning is okay if a bit suspicious most of the time but to everyone around him hes just mumbling to himself, listening to a man in his head. Then he snaps to attention, looks at you and decides life or death, then goes back to mumbling. Lots of difference in his internal thoughts vs actions Yeah, there's several times where he wonders why everyone is looking at him funny when he's been spending the last 20 minutes wandering around talking to himself. None of the 3 guys think they're acting odd or extraordinary when they do something but everyone else sees what's happening. It's the same thing when one of them says the other two know how to deal with women, and they all think the same thing.
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Nov 22, 2019 23:57
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:First one will be a gif of the girls pulling braids while the boys run around on fire in the background, but with the real actors If they haven't already made something like that, but just waiting until the buildup to the release to put it out I'll be disappointed.
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Jan 3, 2020 18:44
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JOHN SKELETON posted:I think with a limited budget the way to go with a lot of the magic stuff and especially EotW ending would be getting all artsy / trippy with it. Intense disorientating sound effects, simple visual metaphors like drowning, being hit by waves, angelic choruses, walls of fire, etc, and intentionally editing it so that it all seems to happen out of nowhere and that the real world seems insignificant when all this One Power poo poo is happening. It could lead to some interesting reveals too. I know the scene where Brigitte tricks Mat could be done well, but having scenes where some of the characters have no idea that a man was channeling near them might be fun to watch. Done properly it could lead to some really interesting foreshadowing. Also, it was a pretty fun thing to read when an Asha'man shows up at the rebel camp and goes "There's a man channeling here who's not me" and everyone freaks out.
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Jan 4, 2020 01:56
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Data Graham posted:Billy Zane Nah, he's one of the Forsaken for sure. He can play crazy and evil really, really well.
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Jan 10, 2020 00:07
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I just have a hard time believing wot can succeed as a show. I think that's what Wizard's First Law turned into, although the show was better than the books at that point. I have read ideas from people on how you could do things like Mat changing languages that made sense to me, so people have thought about it and I think it's worth a shot at least. Maybe it'll fall apart but maybe not.
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Jan 10, 2020 20:29
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:If they do both the Winternight trolloc attack and Moiraine's Manetheren story the first episode will be reasonably representative, I think. You've got trollocs vs villagers, Matrix agent-style Myrddraal, some fireball-throwing from Moiraine, some really loving flashy destruction from Queen Eldrene. You gotta build up to the ghosts, ninjas, men in black and the dragon-riders. Rand sitting up suddenly after he wakes up from the Baalzamon dream followed by a cut to credits seems pretty cliched, but it would probably look good.
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Jan 24, 2020 00:55
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Pleads posted:I always liked how Tam came out of that one meeting with Rand. "What the gently caress did you do to my son," at the Aes Sedai instead of being angry at Rand himself. That was a damned good scene, he just did not give a poo poo what Cadsuane did to him, she was going to hear his piece no matter how lovely she was being.
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Feb 10, 2020 09:40
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I mean, he'd banished her under pain of death at this point. Desperate times call for desperate measures. There's desperate measures, and there's what she did. Tam had no idea what was really going on, and a significant part of it was caused by Cadsuane and the other Aes Sedai's treatment of him. If she'd been honest and told him the whole story, it might have gone differently. She didn't, and Tam rightfully called her out on her poo poo. She really needed that comeuppance Tam gave her. She's not infallible, nor is she in charge. Any of the Aes Sedai's plans generally boiled down to "Lock his rear end up, we let him out under controlled circumstances to fulfill the prophecies and otherwise leave him shielded in a locked room." There were variations, but even Cadsuane's wasn't much different. The pattern was obviously going to force the prophecies regardless of Aes Sedai actions, so how they thought their plan would work is beyond me. Hell, they didn't even know about the Seafolk or Aiel prophecies, what was their plan when an army of Aiel showed up and said "Hey, hand him the gently caress over"?
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Feb 10, 2020 22:12
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silvergoose posted:"This is the Good Place podcast. I'm the host, Marc Evan Jackson. I play Shawn." Neednoggle (I know I spelled it wrong) is the best though.
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Mar 26, 2020 19:52
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Vavrek posted:
I swear there was a reference to everyone becoming a year older on a particular holiday, like every Spring Festival everyone gets a year older or something like that. I'm guessing it's not too much of an issue though, really. It's not like someone's going to say "Hey, you're not 21, no wine in the inn."
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Apr 8, 2020 08:38
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silvergoose posted:Yes, and then he explains it in more detail to Elayne who chortles "taste of his own medicine". Yeah, that was pretty hosed up. Every woman Mat chases, even the ones who aren't interested, make it quite clear that he backs off if it's unwanted. He's flirty but not pushy at all, so it always boggled my mind how much Elayne and Nynaeve poo poo on him for it.
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Jun 1, 2020 23:37
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awesmoe posted:gotta wonder why they didnt teach the warders to use quarterstaves They don't have Heron marked quarterstaves. Also, I'm betting that warder who was all gung ho about Mat kicking some rear end knew how to use one.
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Jun 2, 2020 21:49
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Colonel Cool posted:I'd expect them to focus more on unstable rage crazy man, personally. Done right it could be pretty cool. Have most of an episode switch back and forth between his internal thoughts and another character watching him do stuff. The muttering to himself and randomly laughing and other crazy poo poo he does followed by the same scene from Rand's POV, that kind of thing. There's a lot of scenes in the books where if they're done right they could be amazing, but so easy to mess up.
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Jun 5, 2020 18:12
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:And that's basically the defensive ring around Emond's Field in TSR. They didn't beat plowshares into swords for everyone (though they did come up with some, for a relative few), they planted stakes around the perimeter, sharpened those, and gave everyone in the circle polearms. The Borderlanders had a bunch as well, they were just more heavy cavalry than infantry. Also, they trained basically from birth, so sword fighting was a little bit more effective.
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Jun 6, 2020 01:29
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bloom posted:I thought she gave them the ol' spicy frying pan Whatever she did, someone's gonna have some insane butcher and kitchen knives.
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Jun 15, 2020 20:52
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Invalid Validation posted:A train wreck is a good summation. Probably helps he’s not a douchebag and the respect he garners is earned. Guy saves a small army from being decimated on multiple occasions, of course they would want to follow him into the pit of hell. There was a neat comparison somewhere, where someone was talking about this amazing general whose entire army would do the same, except the guy was bugfuck insane. Like, ordered them to cut down a forest for looking at him funny and then ordering them to bury the trees with full honors that all of the army went along with because at the end of the day he gave a poo poo if they lived or died and always won. Mat's kind of like that without the insanity. He really does give a poo poo about his soldiers and wants them to live and so far always wins. Of course an army would follow him to hell and back, the other generals are just fine with throwing dudes to their deaths for honor and glory, Mat's trying to win so they can go home and relax.
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Jun 27, 2020 01:45
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Mat Cauthon posted:Nope, just an Aes Sedai who wanted to ally with Luthair Hawkwing and underestimated his hatred of channelers. She made the collar for him and then taught others how to make them for the invasion force before being collared herself. There was some talk from the Seanchan that the Aes Sedai in that area had been acting as crueler than usual feudal lords as well. They weren't part of the White Tower and weren't bound by the oaths, and that's why she figured that sort of gift would make them allies. It is an unreliable narrator in that point though, as it was given as the Seanchan history they say publicly.
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Jun 30, 2020 22:14
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Lord Awkward posted:Didn't Lews Therin's voice even at some point start adding his dead wife's name and maybe others to Rand's list when Rand was reciting it? If I'm remembering that correctly, I'm sure that having his hallucination/previous incarnation reinforcing the list certainly wasn't helping him. Yeah, Lews Therin did start adding names after a while. I forget exactly when, but Rand does comment on how he noticed it but just went along with it.
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Jul 3, 2020 23:39
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UltraRed posted:Perrin going DBZ and magically jumping around TAN Is one of my least favorite parts of the series. I liked most of it, if for no other reason than it set up one of the greatest lines in the series and a well deserved comeuppance for a character.
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Jul 6, 2020 21:14
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Gnoman posted:Even the more solid prophecies in this setting are often fulfilled in ways completely different from how they are Foretold, and the prophecies concerning the Seanchan after the Last Battle are delivered in ways more dubious than most. And the ones from the rings in Rhuidean were specifically called out by the other Wise Ones as possible futures, not something set in stone. Presumably some of them saw something bad and by working against it stopped it, otherwise they would have said it was unalterable. They had no reason to lie to her, they want to get the best they can out of these possibilities. They even show Aviendha changing it by having them involved in the Dragon's Peace where her visions had them on their own.
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Jul 14, 2020 23:23
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Democratic Pirate posted:Perrin: To be fair to Perrin, Faile was a little unhelpful with what she wanted, Faile's parents were a little nuts, and Elyas was a dude who escaped as a Warder and lived in the woods talking to wolves.
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Jul 23, 2020 03:28
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Gnoman posted:A pretty huge percentage of the common complaints are from people forgetting that whole incomplete information part. It does have some merit though. Eventually a significant amount of people can Travel, and they actually use it to send messages on a regular basis. The Black Tower uses it fairly often to scout out areas where their armies are to find the enemy as you don't need a very good impression of the area to go to somewhere close. There's no reason the Aes Sedai, known to have agents and spies everywhere, wouldn't be using that constantly to find out about areas where they have concerns. Not bringing the three Ta'varen together is one thing, but at some point someone should have said "Ok, the Dragon is definitely back. Maybe we should actually talk to the Sea Folk and the Aes Sedai and some of the other countries about the upcoming apocalypse". The Aes Sedai alone should have been using it to try and control all the other countries, or poo poo, just contacting their spy networks in a faster way than pigeons. That's where my frustration comes from. It's one thing to have incomplete information, but to willfully ignore a way to help mitigate that is something else entirely.
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Aug 2, 2020 05:17
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Ghislaineof YOSPOS posted:this was basically siuans plan right? keep him on a leash and clear his path, make sure he survives to the last battle. then elaida came along and was basically being manipulated by the black ajah into never doing anything useful It was, I'm not saying poo poo wouldn't have gotten destroyed by idiots/Black Ajah or whoever, but the fact that literally 2 people had that idea and everyone else said "I don't know, maybe we should steal the next door neighbors cows after they vomit beetles until they die" is kind of odd. I'll admit there's a lot of stuff that is explained by incomplete information, that's all good. But there comes a point where it's just willful ignorance and that's what I think a lot of people have a problem with. It's just easier to say no one talks to each other as that happens in lots of media and it's frustrating there too.
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Aug 2, 2020 18:20
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Gnoman posted:You mean her vassal having a claim on an entire rival country? Meaning that Andor would have a chance of incorporating Saldea in a generation or two? Feudal monarchs love that poo poo, and a similar situation already existed with Elayne herself having a claim on Cairhien. Yeah, easy enough to say "We'll have a couple children get married so now Trakand can have a claim on Saldea too". It was handled so piss poorly, even taking into account she was young. Just ask Thom for some advice, I'm sure he could have come up with some agreement that wouldn't have been dumb as poo poo. As for Faile and Perrin's vassals, the highest ranking was basically a deposed queen from a country where the queen was barely in charge of the capital, I'm sure it could have been smoothed over with some other arrangement or treaty.
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Aug 9, 2020 21:41
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Torrannor posted:I don't understand, Elayne suggest their children marry, and Perrin shoots that down with "we don't do arranged marriages in the Two Rivers. Ever." Faile offers "heavily encouraging" some of their children to marry each other, and Elayne accepts that. Completely blanked on Perrin saying no to that, but the rest could have been handled way better than just saying "it's treason, we should kill him" to a dude who basically saved a chunk of Elayne's realm that had been ignored for generations.
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Aug 9, 2020 21:58
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:Armed insurrection and a seccession movement? That's treason any way you look at it. Except it wasn't either of those things, they were abandoned by the crown and had to defend themselves. Even Morgase admitted they hadn't seen anyone from the Andorian government in literal generations, no taxes, no services, no nothing. They didn't even think they could ask for help from the Queen because as far as they knew she didn't rule them or anyone near them. As far as Caemlyn was concerned they didn't exist. The graceful way would have been for them all to say publicly "Thanks Perrin for protecting this corner of my lands from those nasty Trollocs and your help in the last battle. As a reward for loyal service I make you the lord of the Two Rivers and make you one of the houses of Andor". The people think it's because their queen is good, and you can do whatever you need to in private to make it look like he barely skated treason charges, maybe he has to have his first kid raised in Caemlyn as a ward, or whatever would make the other houses look at it like he's on a short leash and could be killed at any time. We do see Elayne's point of view, and it's mostly "Fucker tried to steal my crown" not "Thank gently caress I didn't get invaded by Trollocs from the rear end end of nowhere, how do I make this look good for me while keeping the other Houses in line so they don't try this poo poo too?"
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Aug 10, 2020 00:51
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silvergoose posted:I think she told Rand that she totally didn't tell Moiraine that specific fact, during those scenes. Yeah, she wouldn't have to tell her. Any reluctance to talk about it or not be upfront as to who their birth mother was would be suspicious enough. Mat and Perrin wouldn't consider it a secret who their parents are, and they know they're not adopted. And I always wondered about the Sanderson hate when he finished the book, as most of what I heard when it came out turned out to be stuff that Jordan had written and they left in without any changes. A big chunk of the Mat stuff in the Tower of Ghenjei was Jordan if I remember right, and most of the hate was for Sanderson somehow screwing that up without having touched it.
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Aug 15, 2020 17:43
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silvergoose posted:I swear, the line from hammar yelling "who was the greatest swordsman of all time" is so, so good. It was when he covered the bets for Galad and Gawyn I knew poo poo was about to go down. The guy who trains Warders knows what's about to happen and just wants some entertainment.
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Reiterpallasch posted:
I think the pikes being so common was kind of a holdover from fighting Trollocs. Only the Borderlanders have done so recently, but that's what every army always had so that's what they keep using. Them being effective against non-Trollocs was just a bonus to most of the armies I'd assume. And the dice in Mat's head were fun, I just hated waiting for it. They always started at the end of a chapter and then you had to go through most of a book before they stopped.
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