Burns posted:

We already have an SC thread in GBS.

AbstractNapper posted:

Ah, the "design documents" -- actually it's Lando's air quotation marks, not mine, that he gestures when the question is first asked.

Were those the insane(ly long) ramblings that detailed mining and such, and promised ~dreams~ and clearly unfeasible stuff both in terms of complexity and in tediousness that they would result when translated to gameplay?

Those are apparently gone now, never to return. And also, apparently they now have way shorter documents about tier-0 implementation of their mechanics. Which of course they won't even discuss about releasing in public, because reasons I guess, in the most open development project ever.

Don't let the rubes know how much you dialed back the insanity and hurt their dream, as these particular crowd does not react well to that. No, leave it vague (which is why "tier-4" is casually mentioned, when their "tier-0"(!) is not even a thing for most of their mechanics and features).

Bayonnefrog posted:

Posting in this new Scam Citizen thread for posterity. I'll be here when the trial starts. ETA?

Agony Aunt posted:

They sold that last year, it was the Kraken.

Mirificus posted:

https://twitter.com/Stoaker29/status/1170521524064989184
https://twitter.com/Bucketnate/status/1170523831016071168

Agony Aunt posted:

Chris is too busy though, he's busy coding SSOCS late into the night. This was confirmed by people who talked to him at the exclusive dinner thingy.

Colostomy Bag posted:

So new space court action on pacer? Basically pushing court back another 3 months?

Daztek posted:

Joint STIPULATION to Continue Trial and Related Dates from March 24, 2020 to June 16, 2020 filed by Defendants Cloud Imperium Games Corp., Roberts Space Industries Corp.(Goldman, Jeremy)
https://docdro.id/wFyO34L

Proposed Order
https://docdro.id/z8dM5PP

tl;dr: we need more time for discovery and code review because we did all these dumb motions and stuff.

Agony Aunt posted:

Time for this again...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7tMy1eA9DQ

TheDarkFlame posted:

The best part is the insistence on comparing the games by their scale alone, saying Skyrim would fit in a crater on a single moon and dumb poo poo like that. It fundamentally misunderstands what makes a game.
Skyrim is so big and broad that it's easy to lose direction and abandon what you were doing (the main quest chain, the civil war) so you can galavant around doing more interesting stuff (collecting godly artefacts, becoming a werewolf or an assassin, learning dragon shouts, building a house, basically the entire rest of the game). If you haven't explored enough the game will also routinely generate ambient quests directing you to places you haven't discovered to make you go there and find the real quest waiting in that area.
The setting has dozens of small points of interest like its villages, ruins, caves, most of which have some kind of sidequest or objective, an interesting feature, a purpose for the place to be there and a reason for the player to stop and interact with things. Each village has a handful of NPCs who will have some story and want you to do some minor thing for them, and the towns each have a number of places to investigate and characters to interact with, which will lead to bigger quests and unique rewards. So every area has some kind of content for the player to interact with (mostly through murder).
Any one of those villages has more actual playable content than Star Citizen's ten billion square miles of loving nothing.

Mirificus posted:

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/is-cig-holding-out-on-us/2325331

quote:

People will keep yelling that Chris messed it up, that a lot of the early work was just dumped for no good reason. They have no evidence for this, and it seems highly unlikely.

Der Shovel posted:

I'm currently working as a research programmer at a university. Basically this means that when researchers need some software made for their projects, I help them make it, or just outright make it myself.

Recently I've been working on VR stuff as part of a project that studies player experiences in VR, and the various factors that negatively or positively affect it (basically what will come out of this will be a set of guidelines for what to do and what not to do if you want to make a fun, playable VR experience).

One of the very central "underline this poo poo three times so you don't forget" concepts is that you should be VERY careful about taking vision control away from the player. Don't do canned animations where the player's field of view is manipulated by the game and ignoring the player's actual head position, because that's a Autobahn speed shortcut to vomit city.

I bring this up in the Star Citizen thread because cultists insist that VR support is coming and it will just be a case of ... I dunno, refactoring the graphics pipeline full stack backend occlusion containers to V2.1, or whatever the gently caress, and then CIG can put "vr-support = 1" into the config files and away we go.

It's hilarious to think how miserable playing Star Citizen in VR would be. You need fast, steady framerates (90+ minimum, for two independent displays basically), you need to consider FoV and design your entire UI around VR. Even if CIG somehow did that, crobbert's genius "drunken sailor headbob, first person motion captured cinematic loving looks around my plane's cockpit before I take off" is just fundamentally incompatible with how VR games work.

Sandweed posted:

Someone who reads this thread every day once tried to strangle (allegedly) Chris Roberts.

shrach posted:

Obviously untrue.
However, if it is true I reserve the right to later adjust my position as follows: This is actually good for Star Citizen and is a shrewd bargain because Sandi always looks like a million bucks.

Pixelate posted:

Here's some early staffing / contracting stuff:


STAFF NUMBERS (NOT INCLUDING CONTRACTORS):





CHRIS ON THE FULL NUMBERS:

Aug 2013 - 90 (50 staff, 40~ contractors) [and rising]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbI-tT0Zs-U&feature=youtu.be&t=14m29s

Oct 2013 - 110 (IE at Citcon. Approx 130-140 by this vid in Dec)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc2ya7SRA3I#t=478s

June 2014 - 268 (approx half staff, half contract)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3lhXDaHcvo&feature=youtu.be&t=5m45s


LIST OF EARLY CONTRACTORS:

Click this link for many more links...

Beexoffel posted:

From 2017, but first time I see it:
http://www.gamersheroes.com/features/the-5-biggest-video-game-kickstarter-scams-in-the-making/

Mirificus posted:

https://twitter.com/humanevil51/status/1176468821382770688
https://twitter.com/humanevil51/status/1176474890116972545

Sanya Juutilainen posted:

This one doesn't (which is just silly in the first place): https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/longest-development-period-for-a-simulation-game/

Sarsapariller posted:

So apparently CIG has swung back hard in the opposite direction on rental prices- a 1-day rental will now be 2% of the ship's total price or something like that.

An enterprising Citizen has calculated what that actually means for ship prices: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1F56ZCKsh1JKYfvh6eQrwfyAvNifj2ShrQ7P4PDL2T-Q/edit#gid=0

If this goes live as-is, people will be able to check out any of the starter ships for less than one mission's full payout. Many of the 200+ dollar ships could be picked up with the equivalent of a couple of hours of work. To be honest, if it weren't for the PU resetting every 3 months, this would feel like a very good place for ship rental prices to be. Given how lazy Citizens are, I doubt it would even impact the ship store very much- most of them wouldn't think twice about dropping 500 bucks or whatever to avoid having to actually play the game for any length of time.

Agony Aunt posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyhrYis509A

Zaphod42 posted:

Ahahaha every time I think I know how bad SC is, they surprise me and they're even worse

Elite is already everything SC could ever hope to be

Sarsapariller posted:

These weekly videos are not only tedious and awful to watch, they're just so pointless.

Loxbourne posted:

You can tell what the cult are scared of, or worried about, by what they project onto ED. From this we can tell this Cultist is worried that ED is actually released whereas SC is not, that ED is finished and actually playable in a way the game he loves is not, and that he's scared by the eternal alpha. So he retreats to saying no, ED is unfinished, SC is actually released, etc etc.

Agony Aunt posted:

Hmm.. i don't think its a good thing to have a bash at people simply for their appearances.

I'm pretty sure if we had a rogues gallery of people in this thread, we could take the piss out of their appearances, but it wouldn't be nice.

Its fair enough to take the piss out of people of the things they say and do, but let's not have a go at people for how they look. (unless they dress up as bunny man!). I mean, really, its not that good we take the piss out of Ben for his size, although that depends on how much of it is self-induced and how much of it is a medical condition. Regardless of which it is, he clearly now has a serious medical condition and probably doesn't have long left to live.

Mirificus posted:

Thom12255 posted:

What exactly was it that pushed Bootcha from a committed investor to making it his mission to exposing CIG?

Beluga Snail posted:

drat, never thought I'd see the day.

trucutru posted:

He's Fandred, a commando that is slowly realizing that the game is a sham. Dude has the uncanny ability of being completely unable to get a point during discussion and, while he doesn't actually argue in bad faith (I think?), his arguments are often pretty much indistinguishable from that because he has actual, real brain issues (Dude like to talk about himself and will self-doxx instantly if you ask while he's not doing that well).

Agony Aunt posted:

Thanks.

You could have just called me a dumb gently caress and told me i wasn't going to understand it and saved us both time

Tippis posted:

0/0 = 0⁰ = 1.
Let's fight.

trucutru posted:

The monthly report is out.

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/17266-Star-Citizen-Monthly-Report-September-2019

I liked this part:


They are investigating the details to predefine something to setup what they will need to create the infrastructure to detect edge cases... 8 years in. Early days!


This is beyond parody.


That's it, that's all the gameplay you get, you locusts.

reverend crabhands posted:

0/0 = (1*0)/(1*0) = 1/1 = 1

TheDeadlyShoe posted:

House of the Dying Sun ... doesnt *really* have a plot, but its a connected series of singleplayer scenarios.