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The Grey posted:That part that I never understood... What's the problem with the Smackdown booker listening in on a Raw booking meeting? Vince genuinely had the two shows competing with each other.
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Vandar posted:Vince genuinely had the two shows competing with each other. And if anybody thinks that that's a cartoonishly loving stupid thing to do, remember that a hyper capitalistic drive towards getting your business to compete with itself is pretty much exactly what poleaxed Sears America.
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Vandar posted:Vince genuinely had the two shows competing with each other. If you have to compete with yourself, you're a monopoly and need to be broken up. I attribute this to all things: corporations, schools, team scrimmages, the whole deal.
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Every so often I think of this ad that was for the Hustle promotion and I can never find it. It had Naoya Ogawa walking toward the camera on a street, singing a song, with some lyric like "Hassuru, hassuru, minja na de" If anyone can link me to it, thanks a million.
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It's like the grocery industry where like 5 companies own everything but there's a million different sub-brands "competing" with each other. That was more or less Paul's original plan for expanding NXT globally.
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Is that why stuff like ICW getting pete dunne or noam dar etc hapoened?
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Defenestrategy posted:Is that why stuff like ICW getting pete dunne or noam dar etc hapoened? No that was part of WWE’s highly successful strategy of wrapping their tendrils around the britwres scene and then snuffing it the gently caress out.
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How many world championships have been won by shoot brothers?
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STING 64 posted:How many world championships have been won by shoot brothers? Matt & Jeff Hardy both held the TNA World title. Kevin & Kerry Von Erich both held the WCWA World Heavyweight in World Class. Mike & Fritz both held it before it was made a World title in '86 (if Wikipedia is right) Obviously Dory Jr & Terry Funk both held the NWA Worlds Heavyweight Title. WWC Universal Heavyweight title in Puerto Rico was held by both Carly & Eddie Colon, plus by their father Carlos & their cousin Orlando Jay & Mark Briscoe have both held the ROH World Title Justice Pain & Nick Gage both held the CZW World Heavyweight Title. I'm sure there's a lot in Mexico, Mil Mascaras & Dos Caras both held the WWA World Heavyweight Title. I'm assuming at least 2 of Los Hermanos Dinamita held world titles at some point but haven't checked. Obviously there's not so many in the US in the territorial days because there weren't many World titles. And I can't think of many Japanese wrestling siblings off the top of my head. There's the Brahman Brothers & Saito Brothers, & there's Io & Mio Shirai, but don't think any of them have held the top title anywhere. And Stardom has the 3 sisters Hanan, Hina & Rina but they are all too young to be near the top belt there. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 16:33 on Apr 6, 2024 |
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If you count the USWA "world" title as a world title, Doug and Eddie Gilbert were both multi-time champions down there. Penta and Fenix both won the top belt in Lucha Underground, which was an underground championship, not a world one. Mario Mario and Luigi Mario have won (i.e. become champions) in Super Mario World, Super Mario 3D World, and Mario Golf World Tour and many other regional games.
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I would guess the answer is DDT, but has there ever been a wrestling match outside at a ski resort? The weather would be less than ideal for the usual wrestling gear, but it was something I thought about yesterday snowboarding. If it was just a match in the snow then I imagine involving Sledding would be easier, and no psychos would try to do a move off the chair lift.
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I looked it up, and there's an org called Shinshu Pro Wrestling that does matches every year(?) at the Sakae Club. It's a fun event with kids in mind; they don't sell tickets. https://x.com/shidahikaru/status/1106857208434745344 https://x.com/MrMidSouth1984/status/1631926032080031747
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Hahaha Shida vacated the belt so she could take a crate of tomato juice home instead. We need more wrestlers who contemplate vacating belts in exchange for food and drink. Like “I could remain champion, but my adversary has just offered me a Reuben sandwich with a soda and a pickle. Oh my lord, they’re toasting it too.”
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I can't find it right now but I'm positive Sasuke did a similar spot down the stairs on a bike in DDT or M-Pro E: I'm a page late - referring to the bike spots question
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YouTube is overflowing with 1 hour homemade documentaries these days, but is there any particularly standout one about the beginnings of AEW, the (short lived?) ratings war, etc? Tumblr posts or whatever in text form would work as well. It dawned on me that a lot of my disconnect with PSP/THH is how everybody has seemingly turned on WWE for alternatives for reasons, where I still sort of mentally exist in a WWE only bubble where alterantives don't exist. Outside of watching CM Punk's return match I have never really bothered with AEW, and that's because I completely fell out of wrestling in 2018. I've been trying to figure out where, and I think it was when WWE started doing publicity work for the Saudi government that I decided the habit I picked up in 1999 was over. And that makes a lot of sense, because apparently AEW started about a year after that. So I figure starting with it's beginnings is a good way to catch up on what I've missed. Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 06:29 on Apr 9, 2024 |
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Craptacular! posted:YouTube is overflowing with 1 hour homemade documentaries these days, but is there any particularly standout one about the beginnings of AEW, the (short lived?) ratings war, etc? Tumblr posts or whatever in text form would work as well. the doc on CM Punk/MJF feud is excellent. The feud itself is mid and forgotten to history but the documentary is really impressive and worth watching if you like docs at all: https://youtu.be/7CbZQpmacJI?si=__wsZ7rGic9Wp_On I wish the guy who made it would make more its a really amazing piece of work and this is coming from a guy whose a Punk hater and pretty neutral on MJF
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Craptacular! posted:YouTube is overflowing with 1 hour homemade documentaries these days, but is there any particularly standout one about the beginnings of AEW, the (short lived?) ratings war, etc? if you want a really well made documentary about a long term storyline that spanned the founding of AEW and beyond (and don't care about spoiling past major stories), this one is hard to beat it does about as good a job as you could hope for with a story that spanned years and was told through a lot of slow burn TV and Vlog content https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0YJgm6Auz8 e; double recommends for the same channel, lol too bad that person seemed to have been totally derailed after their Cody documentary premise didn't work out, even the teaser/opening they'd made for it was impressive The337th fucked around with this message at 06:43 on Apr 9, 2024 |
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So alright; we call the WWE Performance Center the torn ACL factory right? How many ACLs has it destroyed to date?
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Kvlt! posted:the doc on CM Punk/MJF feud is excellent. The feud itself is mid and forgotten to history but the documentary is really impressive and worth watching if you like docs at all: This was really cool, thanks. It actually kind of starts off with the show I watched and I kind of wondered where things went. I know someone else did a two-parter on Punk's AEW run but it's almost three hours long. Although lol at using "you stopped being on TV and that made me sad" as feud material. Even as someone who liked Punk for a while in the 2010s he quickly went from must-watch segments to being saddled with an assortment of people when it was clear they were not going to let him have a Stone Cold like run against the people at the top of the organization. What I was particularly interested in was how Cody went from being apparently something of a founder of AEW to being in the opposing promotion again. When I stopped watching, he was gone with occasional tweets alternating between "I don't want to go back there" and "they don't want me back, I asked" (the latter being a Rumble cameo.) The other doc suggests that while AEW has always been a mix of guys who topped cards in WWE and guys I've never heard of before, they're clearly more known by more people than I ever knew of. Kind of like before the current NXT brand, when WWE development was untelevised so Floridians always seemed to know way more about new people than everyone else. Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 09:04 on Apr 9, 2024 |
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Craptacular! posted:I know someone else did a two-parter on Punk's AEW run but it's almost three hours long. That's Dropmick Wrestling, they've also done a few good ones on AEW storylines including Dustin vs. Cody the match that made AEW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6suYDY1fxk4 Brodie Lee's run in AEW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FTzRX57FSk Here's one on why Will Ospreay and Kenny Omega matter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlyXLdtaaPY 3 hours on Cm Punk? how about 4 hours on STING!? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX_mmFSPZYY
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We have a really in depth thread right in this forum about learning about aew https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4056169
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Craptacular! posted:What I was particularly interested in was how Cody went from being apparently something of a founder of AEW to being in the opposing promotion again. When I stopped watching, he was gone with occasional tweets alternating between "I don't want to go back there" and "they don't want me back, I asked" (the latter being a Rumble cameo.) There's a great YouTube channel called Wrestling with Wregret where the host Brian Zane occasionally does a 20 minute dive into a specific wrestler/company run like Roddy Piper in WCW or Raven in WWF. He did a pretty good one about Cody Rhodes in AEW that shows how he started off as this beloved figure and gradually lost the fans by being too self-indulgent. Shard posted:We have a really in depth thread right in this forum about learning about aew And that one's good too!
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Gavok posted:There's a great YouTube channel called Wrestling with Wregret where the host Brian Zane occasionally does a 20 minute dive into a specific wrestler/company run like Roddy Piper in WCW or Raven in WWF. He did a pretty good one about Cody Rhodes in AEW that shows how he started off as this beloved figure and gradually lost the fans by being too self-indulgent. I love Brian's stuff. And Jim Cornette hates him so, you know, badge of honor.
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Dawgstar posted:I love Brian's stuff. And Jim Cornette hates him so, you know, badge of honor. IIRC Cornette hates him because of a really stupid twitter thing rather than whatever he posted in a review.
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Yeah, Brian and Cornette used to be friendly enough that Cornette would make the occasional cameo on the channel with the joke being that he was Brian's father due to their resemblance. Then Brian defended comedy wrestling on social media and Cornette cut ties because how dare somebody say that it's okay to enjoy Orange Cassidy?
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Defenestrategy posted:IIRC Cornette hates him because of a really stupid twitter thing rather than whatever he posted in a review. Yeah, Brian didn't call out Cornette, he just said 'let people enjoy the wrestling they like, old man' because he'd been dealing with a lot of boomers upset Brian was defending people liking Orange Cassidy (and Joey Ryan, but this was pre Ryan's allegations coming to light) and some people snitch tagged to Cornette and it took off from there.
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Craptacular! posted:I've been trying to figure out where, and I think it was when WWE started doing publicity work for the Saudi government that I decided the habit I picked up in 1999 was over. It annoys me constantly when people will say things like how "don't hate me for this but I like WWE's storytelling/matches with [whatever] more than AEW's" and I always think "dude I do not give a gently caress how good or bad the storylines are I care that they are a blood money laundering organization who also helped cover up sex trafficking"
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Dr. Quarex posted:Thank you for falling out for the right reasons Yeah this
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Shamefully, the impetus for me stopping watching was merely the one full hour of Baron Corbin raw
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Dr. Quarex posted:Thank you for falling out for the right reasons loving amen
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A lot of us had different breaking points with the Fed. Mine was seeing the death of my fave, Eddie Guerrero, turned into an onscreen angle involving his wife. Then Benoit happened, Angle got fired because they were pretty sure he’d die, and I started to think more about the Fed’s responsibility in these things than about how awful Triple H was as the face of the company. I would try to force the feeling, but then Eugene would appear and I realized I loving hated WWE. AEW got me back into wrestling after 20 years out. They’re not perfect but they have consistently great in-ring action and aspire to be part of a global pro-wrestling scene rather than destroy all other promotions. From all accounts the Fed is doing gigantic business and if people want to watch it, that’s none of my business. But there is nothing they could do to get me back after 25 years other than repudiate everything they’ve ever done and become a different company, which is an even stupider fantasy than fake fighting in underwear. I still have some fond memories from when I was young, but they are tainted. Anyhow, the first AEW match that I saw which truly blew me away was Danielson/Hangman 2. That this bloody, incredible match was on TV and not PPV was unbelievable. I didn’t watch wrestling when Danielson was in the Fed, so it was quite the revelation. Be sure to check out his match with Kenny Omega and his matches against Hangman.
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Integrated Houston posted:A lot of us had different breaking points with the Fed. Mine was seeing the death of my fave, Eddie Guerrero, turned into an onscreen angle involving his wife. Then Benoit happened, Angle got fired because they were pretty sure he’d die, and I started to think more about the Fed’s responsibility in these things than about how awful Triple H was as the face of the company. I would try to force the feeling, but then Eugene would appear and I realized I loving hated WWE. HHH and Benoit were mine for sure, and I hate this flattening effect where I'm just supposed to enjoy the good wrestling that everyone puts out when a) I don't like the wrestling in WWE outside of maybe three people and b) they're an awful company run by awful people. I also don't like their Disney Adult fans who want wrestling to be a monoculture where one company owns everything.
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I think my breaking point was when they botched the gently caress out of the nexus. It was the first cool thing to happen in a very long time and it made a lot of sense, and when they hosed that up was when I realized that even with wwe handed a reall cool opportunity theyd ruin it for no reason.
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I have basically no memories of wwe post invasion, but the nexus debut? Man that poo poo ruled.
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Defenestrategy posted:I think my breaking point was when they botched the gently caress out of the nexus. It was the first cool thing to happen in a very long time and it made a lot of sense, and when they hosed that up was when I realized that even with wwe handed a reall cool opportunity theyd ruin it for no reason. I feel like they eventually got the Nexus concept right with The Shield. The problem is that stables are bad for wrestling, and they eventually figured out that 3/4 man gangs like The Shield and The New Day and Hurt Business (and of course, the Four Horsemen but they'll never let themselves use that one) allow for flexibility in matches without going full blown as 10-12 man stable. This should not be news, the nWo was way more exciting with the first three guys than it was with thirty, but for reasons it took bookers a very long time to figure this out. The identity of the mini-stable also allows someone new to show up with some small amount of transitive heat, rather than being a total "who? Who the gently caress?" like I became the last time I peeked at wrestling and saw Kurt Angle retire to some guy who couldn't draw heat from an active volcano. Dr. Quarex posted:Thank you for falling out for the right reasons But yeah, that was just the breaking point, I already wasn't sure what the gently caress I was doing when Punk's "this company sucks!" angle was met with HHH going "yeah, and?" before being shuffled off to random people; and before you know it Punk's worked-shoot "real talk" character means his feud with Undertaker is working the idea that the urn has Paul Bearer's ashes in it, and now all men in the entire angle look bad. Integrated Houston posted:A lot of us had different breaking points with the Fed. Mine was seeing the death of my fave, Eddie Guerrero, turned into an onscreen angle involving his wife. Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Apr 9, 2024 |
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This is the sort of thing that happens to the human psyche because of Dunbar's Number. It's not just extremely easy to abstract the horrible things WWE (or most companies), it's inevitable because our brains just can't connect to the victims in the same way as our friends and family. It's one of those things responsible for the degeneracy of the human condition. But on the other hand it keeps us from going catatonic with grief over things happening half a world away. The breaking point for me was Brian Danielson being sent to a farm right after winning the world title. I had already mostly checked out after Orton immediately took the title from Danielson at Summerslam. Realizing that the whole point of that angle was to put over The Authority and not Danielson made me realize that WWE wasn't incompetent in its booking, it was malicious. That was it for me because it erased all hope of things ever getting better. Then the Saudi deal was announced and that just cemented the decision. ChrisBTY fucked around with this message at 17:36 on Apr 9, 2024 |
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Craptacular! posted:That's fair, but she was fully on board with it and kept her family taken care of with it. I remember her last appearance they played the Eddie entrance tune and she did his shimmy before leaving. I wasn't a fan of Vickie's onscreen persona, but I was a little relieved by the conclusion that she at least seemed to be enjoying herself and hoped she made him proud, than just suffering whatever indignities she has to in order to keep the bereavement checks flowing. I get that, and I don’t blame Vicki. Using Eddie as an angle has been defended by many, including Rey, Vicki, and Orton, as being “what Eddie would have wanted,” and they probably know better than me. But I was just really not ready for nor interested in that poo poo. Like, what kind of business loving does that?
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