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Jerusalem posted:Updated the OP to be a little more structured, and added in some extra promotions Punch McLightning posted in the old thread. Thanks Punch I would add the ClassicsPuro83 channel that has a lot of All Japan's legendary 90s matches https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=channel?UC3W4w7DWwbHUZdEGoO-TSKA?videos
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Sep 8, 2019 02:41
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The closest we got in recent years is probably DeAngelo Williams (made a Pro Bowl, legit starter for a decade), who had that one match in Impact where he blew everyone's mind and probably could've made a career out of it, but he decided to just keep it a one-off.
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Sep 27, 2019 00:56
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Strap matches basically only exist when one of the wrestlers doesn't want to eat a pin
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Oct 9, 2019 20:27
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Doesn't really count as a squash but Goldberg/Lesnar at Mania 33 is one of the best 5-minute matches of all time
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Oct 11, 2019 04:53
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Yeah, the whole dynamic was based off Luger being an unapologetic heel but still a loyal friend to Sting, who always saw the good in him and stayed by his side through thick and thin. Knowing how much Cody loves cribbing from old-school NWA/WCW, I guarantee this is how he's playing off his relationship with MJF.
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Oct 11, 2019 09:23
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FunMerrania posted:It sucks to take. Pretty much, same reason why the Alabama Slam fell out of favor
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Oct 12, 2019 05:40
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Schneider Heim posted:What are the best heel promos of all time? (No slurs) Minoru Suzuki is the scariest man ever https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1Uwdsxyrc0
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Oct 15, 2019 03:51
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Pollyanna posted:I’ll take a look at these - thanks. You should probably watch the move again
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Oct 19, 2019 02:00
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Worth noting that the ring apron isn't that much harder than the regular mat (and arguably there's no difference other than the loss of springiness), but it still sucks to take bumps on, so guys doing moves on the apron is played up for dramatic effect and usually a huge turning point in the match.
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Oct 19, 2019 02:07
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Randaconda posted:Catching up on AEW, and I would like to say one thing Tony is a perfect case study for how much the overall product can elevate or sink an announcer. WCW's dying days were bad for everyone and it definitely sapped the passion out of Tony, who was simply done with wrestling by the time WWE bought them out. He stayed out of the business for a long-rear end time and we all thought he was done for good, even when he dipped his toes back in with a podcast and some MLW appearances. Then AEW came calling, used him on the beloved Control Center segments, and suddenly he loved wrestling again and is calling shows on TNT every week like he never skipped a beat. It's amazing.
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Oct 19, 2019 09:03
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As it turns out, wrestling shows are better when you aren't ashamed of wrestling and don't treat it like a joke
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Oct 19, 2019 09:13
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I thought Stephanie herself vetoed the incest angle? Because it definitely seems like the kind of thing Vince would go for.
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Oct 19, 2019 09:26
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Coaaab posted:Worst Shooting Star Press botch? Brock Lesnar got a ton of hype in OVW for doing the SSP at his size, they built it up as a huge moment for his Mania main event against Angle ... and then he landed right on his loving head and never tried the movie again.
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Oct 27, 2019 07:21
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You can see the split-second reaction on Regals' face go from "ok get ready to take the move" to "oh god damnit what the gently caress did you do"
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Oct 27, 2019 07:33
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Also NOAH didn't exist until 2000, which is its own big story in Japanese wrestling history. After Giant Baba (the founder and booker of AJPW) died in 1999, there was a big dispute between his widow, who inherited the company, and a lot of the wrestlers over the future direction (a weird and complicated story that other people probably know more details to), so Misawa and Kobashi left to form their own promotion and took most of the roster with them. NOAH quickly replaced AJPW as the No. 2 company in Japan, and were arguably No. 1 during their mid-2000s peak when NJPW was slumping. That talent exodus was pretty much the end for All Japan as a major-league promotion -- they've had some peaks here and there since then, and are currently having a nice run with Kento Miyahara on top, but never came close to their 90s boom period again. Benne fucked around with this message at 01:07 on Nov 9, 2019 |
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Nov 9, 2019 00:55
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Killer Kowalski trained Triple H, who went on to influence like 80% of the modern-day WWE scene, so he's up there. For a modern Eastern example, the NJPW Dojo is mostly a collaborative effort -- Yuji Nagata usually takes the credit for training the Young Lion classes that have been knocking it out of the park in recent years, but you also have Nakanishi, Tenzan, Kojima, Liger, and others in the dojo working with the boys and mentoring them.
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Nov 9, 2019 09:02
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The only thing I remember about SuperCalo (other than the cool mask) was his Ibushi-esque levels of hatred for his own neck
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Nov 10, 2019 00:34
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Another thing Moxley alluded to was that he felt sympathetic to the writers, who get paid way less for a thankless job and are considered way more expendable, so he wouldn't try to bury them. He specifically talked about the times when he went to a writer with a problem, they'd just shrug and be like "yeah, we know," and then it was like "aw gently caress, gotta go to Vince again," which is where the real burnout comes from. So even when he hated the angle and lost the rewriting battle with Vince, he still felt motivated to go 100% and try to get it over, instead of sandbagging it and getting a writer fired. I imagine a lot of the wrestlers feel the same way, no matter how humiliating their stories are. Benne fucked around with this message at 08:50 on Nov 11, 2019 |
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Nov 11, 2019 08:41
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IceAgeComing posted:\ There's way more to technical wrestling than just "good at grapplefucking" and I hate how the term has become shoehorned that way. When you watch an Omega match and pay attention to his pacing, timing, execution of the moves, and overall fundamentals, it's very obvious that he's one of the best of his era at the technical side of wrestling.
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Dec 5, 2019 23:38
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Wise Fwom Yo Gwave posted:What wrestlers have amusing/consistent “weakness feuds”? I will name a few of what I’m talking about : Seth Rollins vs. Logging Off Twitter
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Dec 6, 2019 09:08
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Robbie Eagles quitting the Bullet Club and finally joining Ospreay to pay off their two-year story was pretty great.
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Jan 3, 2020 23:14
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Val Venis was fine as a midcard guy, but even in 1998 there was only so far the porn star gimmick could go. There's a reason his run peaked early with the Kaientai feud.
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Jan 6, 2020 02:25
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BROKE: Make a deal with NJPW WOKE: Make a deal with Gatoh Move and put the belt on Lulupencil coward Tony
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Jan 17, 2020 04:55
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I love that JBL had the shittiest numbers in that span
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Feb 8, 2020 20:47
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Another hilarious thing about the Jinder push is that they based it off Facebook/Youtube numbers in India, which anyone with half a brain could tell you was inflated by click farms and didn't come close to an accurate portrayal of WWE demand in that region. Western companies trying to crowbar their way into India and China without a single understanding of the different markets and cultures, and then meekly retreating when it inevitably fails, will never get old to me.
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Feb 10, 2020 06:33
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NikkolasKing posted:Speaking of Roman, I've always wondered about how many women like wrestling. I'm told it's rather high. Bryan in a Retro show from early last year talks about how you don't hear the women screaming for the male stars like they used to every time Jeff Hardy took off his shirt. Roman seemed to be the last big female draw but hen he got sick for a good while and the women stopped screaming. New Japan's current golden age was partly built off of pushing Tanahashi/Okada/Nakamura/Ibushi as heartthrob icons, which trickled down to the rest of the card, and as a result they have a very strong female fanbase despite not having a women's division. There is definitely a market for the female gaze in wrestling, you just have to be smart about it. E: Like, one of YOH's signature spots is the camera slowly zooming in on his bouncing pecs. They know exactly what they're doing. Benne fucked around with this message at 05:28 on Feb 14, 2020 |
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Feb 14, 2020 05:16
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The stupid opinions thread has been talking about botches which had me thinking: What are your favorite examples of "good botches" that ended up elevating a match or storyline moment? The best recent one I can think of was a G1 undercard tag from last year, where Okada whiffed SANADA by a mile with his dropkick but popped up and hit it a second time. They turned that into a cool little mini-story where SANADA had the dropkick scouted, which played into their next match when he kept dodging it.
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Feb 15, 2020 06:33
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fatherofmustard posted:What are the most divisive matches of all time? Matches like Kenny vs Moxley from Full Gear that some people loved and some hated. There are people out there who will still try to convince you that Bret/Shawn Iron Man wasn't an unwatchable sniozefest.
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Feb 17, 2020 02:09
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The textbook overbooking is those late-era Nitro main events where they do like 2 minutes of wrestling before an entire stable runs in, more stables run in to attack the first stable, the match just ends with no announced winner, and by the end there's like 20 guys in the ring and you have no loving clue who you're supposed to be cheering.
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Feb 18, 2020 03:40
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Over the Edge 98 had Austin/Dude Love with Vince as the ref, which is pretty much exactly what you'd expect from 98 WWF booking. There was Vince going full rudo ref slow-counting Austin falls and fast-counting Foley, endless interference from Patterson/Briscoe and like a million other people, multiple ref bumps, and the finish was Austin using Vince's dead body to count the pin and technically make his win "legal." It's completely absurd and almost certainly doesn't hold up, but it was the perfect kind of match for its era. Benne fucked around with this message at 05:49 on Feb 18, 2020 |
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Feb 18, 2020 05:46
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IIRC Butterbean went into that match expecting to take the fall and cash his check and was surprised when they told him it that, yes, this is an actual shoot
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Feb 19, 2020 05:27
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Moe_Rahn posted:For some reason, I have the idea in my head that Fake Diesel and Fake Razor were dropped almost immediately, but apparently they kept trotting those guys out on TV for four months? And even longer on house shows?? Fun fact: Fake Razor has more Royal Rumble appearances than Scott Hall
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Feb 19, 2020 17:53
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Razor/Shawn still holds up as a great match that happens to have a ladder involved, compared to the mindless ladder spotfests we see at MITB every year
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Feb 29, 2020 01:48
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Seams posted:When people say such-and-such is a mark for them self, doesn’t that just mean they know their own value as a performer? There's obviously a lot of narcissists in wrestling, but the whole "mark for himself" thing has always been anti-labor messaging weaponized to turn fans and co-workers against a wrestler trying to get what he feels he's worth. We've seen it as recently as the Elite, who felt they were lowballed by NJPW and turned around and formed their own promotion, got labeled marks for themselves and just a T-shirt company, and are now making a handsome living killing NXT in the ratings every week.
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Feb 29, 2020 04:01
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Here's a question for the more deep-dive historians on this forum: is there any documented history of Japanese pro wrestling before WWII? The narrative I've always heard is that it got introduced to the country by Americans during the post-war occupation, then caught on and spun off into its own thing with Rikidozan and Co. leading the way, which seems to make sense. But I sometimes question the accuracy of that neat-and-tidy story since many countries have a history of worked wrestling dating back to the 19th Century. Was Japan really that late to the game? Benne fucked around with this message at 08:33 on Mar 9, 2020 |
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Mar 9, 2020 08:27
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harperdc posted:Basic info has Rikidōzan debuting in 1951 and starting JWA (as an affiliate of the NWA) in 1953. I’ve studied a fair bit about the Meiji era (which is late 19th century) but haven’t seen anything about importation of pro wrestling — other sports were imported at the time (notably baseball) and seen as a positive for teamwork and militarism, and there’s history of American ball players visiting before WWII, but nothing for wrestling. Yeah I knew television was a huge part of the early boom period. Dave always talks about how Rikidozan drew literally the biggest ratings in that country's history, with people packing storefronts just to see his matches. We can safely nail down the early-mid 50s as the moment puro became A Thing. All of that is easily verifiable. I'm still curious about how much, if any, presence wrestling had before the war/occupation, and your answer is very interesting to me. It makes perfect sense that they'd embrace baseball in a time of intense nationalism, and wrestling is inherently an individualistic sport that might not hold much appeal during a "no one bigger than the team" national mood. So it all makes sense that the occupation, a humiliating moment for the entire country, is when wrestling finally catches on and people rally behind individual heroes like Rikidozan.
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Mar 9, 2020 09:12
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The only thing I remember about Tom Brandi was that worked-shoot angle where he rejected his fake Italian gimmick and started wrestling "as himself," which went for like 3 months before he disappeared from the company.
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Mar 13, 2020 21:43
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Showbuckle still has a channel on Dailymotion, but not all of his videos are on there https://www.dailymotion.com/showbuckle Unfortunately it looks like the Golden Lovers one is lost to time, unless there's a ripped version out there that I haven't been able to find yet.
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Based on those scripts that got leaked a few years ago, there are literal instructions for the wrestler to "pause for reaction." The problem, of course, comes when he's not saying anything interesting and the crowd decides to make up their own reaction. You'd think the company would recognize this problem and adjust their promo style to better control the crowd, but that's just silly talk.
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