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Is there a single The Cat segment or promo that wouldn't have been better if he was replaced by Ernest P. Worrell?
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Gavok posted:I'm updating my guide to King of Trios article and I was wondering if I could get help with the guys I don't know. Just a paragraph of info. quote:- The Carnies (Nick Iggy, Kerry Awful, and Tripp Cassidy) quote:- The Embassy (Prince Nana, Jimmy Rave, and Sal Rinauro) quote:- Thomas Santell and Kris Statlander (on Team Nerder Death Kris with Nick Gage) He also hosts a sports podcast called I Lost My Wallet in Greg Polanco for Figure4/Wrestling Observer, but all I really know about it is that everyone else in the Empire seems baffled by the name. Kris Statlander is a fairly new wrestler (debuted in June 2017) and has an Alien gimmick I do not fully understand, sometimes she apparently uses mind control or telekinesis to control her opponents?
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MassRafTer posted:Alex Shelley and Abyss were both great Embassy members, and competed in a Trios tournament with Rave!
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Searching the text of Martha/Bruce/Bret Hart's books, none of them mention the Bulldogs shooting Matilda up with steroids, or really anything much about Matilda in general. Somehow the only primary source for this story that I can find is Tito Santana just offering it up unprompted on the Chris Gethard Show, somehow.
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Update/Clarification: Diana Hart (Davey Boy Smith's ex-wife, Bret/Owen/etc.'s sister) wrote the book Under the Mat in 2002, which basically everyone else in the family claimed was full of lies up to and including having an intro written by the late Stu Hart that most of the family doesn't believe he wrote. This is the book that was pulled from the shelves and Diana apologized for it and etc. Martha Hart (Owen's widow) wrote Broken Harts in 2004, which is also pretty tough on Davey Boy, Dynamite Kid, and the wrestling business in general, but didn't get pulled from the shelves and no one threatened to sue her over it. I had these books/people/which one got pulled from the shelves mixed up too. Also in a Roddy Piper/Jake Roberts podcast from 2015 they also seemed to imply that Matilda got injected with steroids: quote:JAKE:
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Looking back at the list the homophobia is what really sticks out, but it's also striking how the list mixes like actual rape/murder/assault in with "Raven is an atheist" and "Dusty Rhodes stiffed some wrestlers on their payday" and "Ron Killings would rather drive than fly to a show because it's easier to bring his weed along" and "New Jack got paid in porno DVDs once" and "a bunch of people have had an affair".
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Based off of cagematch which of course is probably incomplete, especially outside of North America but in terms of people actively wrestling that I thought of off the top of my head (or at least having multiple matches in 2019) the winner but an enormous margin is Liger. I'm sure I'm forgetting someone obvious, but I was not expecting Kane to be the runaway US 'winner'. Jushin Liger: 4158 Yuji Nagata: 3059 Jun Akiyama: 3049 Hiroyoshi Tenzan: 3044 Satoshi Kojima: 3039 Atlantis: 3033 Kane: 2937 Ultimo Guerrero: 2815 Great Muta: 2732 Manabu Nakanishi: 2699 Dustin Rhodes: 2591 Big Show: 2532 Ricky Morton: 2445 Undertaker: 2364 Chris Jericho: 2336 Randy Orton: 2262 Hiroshi Tanahashi: 2257 John Cena: 2245 Matt Hardy: 2245 Jerry Lawler: 2178 Dr. Wagner Jr.: 2176 Rey Bucanero: 2170 Rey Mysterio: 2036 People who could (conceivably, unlikely in some cases) hit 2000+ soonish Billy Gunn: 1997 Bully Ray: 1996 Toru Yano: 1989 Robert Gibson: 1967 Triple H: 1967 Jeff Hardy: 1965 Minoru Suzuki: 1947 Dolph Ziggler: 1944 Kofi Kingston: 1939 Tomohiro Ishii: 1933 AJ Styles: 1909 Inside the US it seems really hard to hit 2000+ without being part of the WWE grind for a significant part of your career. Daniels and Colt Cabana are both around 1500, but a bunch of people who have been regulars on the indie scene for the better part of 20 years (Kazarian, the Briscoes, Low Ki, Kingston, Homicide) all seem to top out around 1000 total matches. My limited knowledge of Mexico/Japan means I mostly only looked up big names who are NJPW lifers or high profile CMLL/AAA legends, so I may well be overlooking those scene's equivalents of a Cabana/Daniels. (Who I realize may in fact just be Curry Man) Also all of this is based on Cagematch like I said at the outset, there are definitely some super-veterans in the US I assume they're missing some matches for (the idea that Terry Funk only has 2296 matches recorded, or Harley Race with 3071 seems kind of low. Though Ric Flair is well over 4000.) Edge & Christian fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Oct 4, 2019 |
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IceAgeComing posted:the issue with cage match and all of these databases is that for a lot of scenes they are very incomplete - the UK scene pre-modern era is basically non-existent in them: the AJW entries pre-90s are empty and they ran 300 dates a year for all of that time: Lucha stuff is also barebones. Cuts out a lot of potential candidates. I assume there's someone doing research on those promotions, is there anywhere that you can get information on the UK promotions you're talking about, or whatever else is missing from Cagematch/etc.?
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Blast Fantasto posted:Yeah I don’t think you can really trust Cagematch for this because current wrestlers have virtually every house show match listed and older guys have huge gaps for that Cagematch has Liger wrestling 100+ matches pretty consistently from 1984 to present, with the exceptions all being pretty close to 100 outside of 1995 (53), though yeah, looking at it by year someone like Atlantis is only recorded as having under 50 matches per year for most of the 1980s and 1990s, which is surely off.
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Low Desert Punk posted:what's the best strap match of all time? WCW Uncensored 2000 - Hogan vs. Flair (Strap) ***** 1/4* WCW Superbrawl III (1993) - Sting vs. Vader (Strap) **** 1/4 WWF In Your House Beware of Dog 1996 - Savio Vega vs. Steve Austin (Strap) **** TNA August 6 2003 - America's Most Wanted vs. Swinger & Diamond (Strap) *** 1/2 WCW Uncensored 1995 - Hogan vs. Vader (Strap) *** 1/2 WWF Fully Loaded 1999 - Rock vs HHH (Strap) *** 1/4 ROH Best in the World 2017 - Adam Page vs. Kazarian (Strap) *** TNA Slammiversary 2017 - James Storm vs. EC3 (Strap) *** * Three extra stars granted for using Yapapi for the strapation, brother
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I always thought that the Sting/Scorpion thing really didn't kick off until he was Crow Sting and having scorpions as part of his goth look was fitting but I did a quick Google and he had them on his dayglo surfer gear too. Huh. I have even more questions about the Black Scorpion gimmick now.
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I think the only babyface that won King of the Ring after it became a televised/PPV event instead of a special house show was Bret Hart in the first KoTR, and that was mostly to set up a feud with Jerry "The King" Lawler. Given that Vince introduced the "King" gimmick as a rib on Harley Race (who was portrayed as a self-important buffoonish heel) and also brought in Lawler in a similar role to feud with Bret Hart, there's probably some Vince pathology about how kings think they're so much better than everyone and need to be taken down a peg, which led to the next fourteen Kings of the Ring being deluded heels. Actually I guess Ken Shamrock was a babyface (based on him beating Jarrett and then Nation-era Rock in the tournament) when he won KOTR 1998, but that was at the height of Vince Russo influenced Crash TV and maybe they gave it to Shamrock instead of Rocky to swerve the fans. I know that within a couple of months they were teasing the Rock turning face prior to the Survivor Series Screwjob and Shamrock ended up in the Corporation by then too.
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fatherofmustard posted:Edge was a face when he won it. So three out of fifteen have been babyfaces.
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Davros1 posted:I think Edge was a babyface when he won it. And Billy Gunn too. His KOTR win was to set up a feud/Summerslam match with the Rock (which was the stealth introduction of Kiss My rear end stipulations before Vince got in on it), in which the Rock annihilated him on promos and he never recovered.
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Sloe Gin Blizz Clizz Fizz The Gin-etic Jackhammer The Night Kaluha Wanalaya Danced On Top of the ECW Arena Crown Jewel Presents The WWE World Pimm's Cup, The Tournament To Determine the Best Cocktail In the World Edge & Christian fucked around with this message at 02:00 on Nov 21, 2019 |
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Endless Mike posted:Scotch is a million times better than vodka Family Wine  You can tell Scott isn't in a leadership position, that naming is about 50 off for his taste.
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Ebbesangria White Russian Assassin #1 and White Russian Assassin #2 Big Shrubba Rogers Dark N Stormy Journey The Lemon Viper Shandy Orton Manny "The Raging Boulevardier" Fernandez Tequila Sunrise But It's a Drink Not Panama Sunrise Which Is a Completely Different Cocktail Inspired by Adam Cole Kick the Cocktail Door Down, Hulk Hogan. Take the Two Pilots Who Have Already Made the Sazerac So That You Can Face the Cocktail, Hulk Hogan. Edge & Christian fucked around with this message at 04:56 on Nov 21, 2019 |
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spongeh posted:The Rey and Dominic stuff had me thinking, what were the biggest matches (McMahon family aside) that featured parent vs child? Were there any title feuds? Off the top of my head I can think of Paige's family, but not sure what else. I know Jerry Lawler and Brian Christopher/Lawler feuded in Memphis but I don't know the history well enough to know if they acknowledged (even winkingly) that Brian was his kid; I know they spent the bulk of Brian's WWE run only in-joke acknowledging it until long after either guy was wrestling regularly. Ric and David Flair had a number of really bad matches (often involving Vince Russo as a wrestler) in 2000 WCW. Chavo Guerrero beat his son for the cruiserweight belt but that was at the point the entire CW division was bordering on the 24/7 belt in terms of jobber comedy so I don't think it counts as a big match or a feud. There seems to be some big online buzz for a match-up between Dana Brooke and her daddy Batista.
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Von Linus posted:Kane and Inferno matches? Win: MVP Losses: Undertaker, Undertaker, HHH He is undefeated in Buried Alive Matches Dell_Zincht posted:Undertaker and Buried Alive matches, too Wins: vs. Mankind, Rock & Sock Connection (w. Kane) Losses: Steve Austin, Kane, Vince McMahon (who won with interference from Kane) Which is to say both men are better with their weakest matches than Seth is with Twitter.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:I don't remember this at all. The Rock actually got buried alive at the end? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUBu9Dl-x1A It was an incredibly Attitude Era finish, and for the tag team championships. For anyone who doesn't want to watch the whole match, eventually Undertaker and Rock brawl backstage and Mankind beats up Big Show with a shovel and is winning the match. But backstage, Triple H attacks the Rock and lays him out, allowing Undertaker and Big Show to double team Mankind out by the dirt hole. But then Kane attacks Triple H to save the Rock, but then Chyna attacks Kane. Kane chases Chyna off. Undertaker and Big Show have Mankind beat and Big Show starts filling the hole while Undertaker holds off the Rock. But before Big Show can finish burying Mankind, Triple H runs out, clocks Big Show with his sledgehammer and... finishes burying Mankind. Undertaker and Big Show are now the tag team champions, but Undertaker and the Rock have brawled out into the ether where Kane and Chyna are, so all that's left is Triple H standing tall and posing over a buried Mankind and an unconscious Big Show. An ambulance arrives to recover Mankind's body from the grave, but before it can save him Steve Austin runs in and starts beating up Triple H, throwing him into the grave on top of Mankind and eventually tossing HHH into the ambulance, driving it out into the parking lot, and then driving a semi-truck repeatedly into the side of the ambulance containing Triple H in an attempt to murder him, I guess? So no, the Rock didn't ever set foot in the grave.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:I think I remember that match now, even though it's confusing as hell reading a summary of it. And yeah, I knew they'd ever let the Rock actually get buried. Thank you. And then Austin's return feud against Rikishi and eventually Triple H, where the scoundrels who would attack a man unprovoked with a car are justifiably killed by Austin, including him dropping Triple H off of a forklift while trapped inside a car. And then a year after that, Hollywood Hogan and the NWO do almost exactly the same thing Austin did, but to the Rock, in a last-ditch effort to get fans to boo Hogan in 2002. Vehicular manslaughter is a land of contrasts.
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Based on Archive.org, that Underquaker up there isn't even the original shirt, which makes sense because that particular Undertaker looks more grizzled than the 2004 version. The original one is much, much worse   It's true, HHH was delivering a lot of ** beatings in 2004.
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It's really hard to say when you're even measuring TNA on a popularity/ratings level re: its ability to be a competitor to WWE. When TNA started it was a weekly PPV show that from best I can gather was getting 15-20,000 buys at the peak of that era. They were getting between 800 and 2,000 people to attend their (free, I think?) live shows taped exclusively in Memphis, and had no television deal. In that same era, WWE was getting approximately 300-500k buys for their PPVs, mid 3s-mid 4s for Raw viewership, paid attendance averaging between 6-8,000, etc. I guess there are other times when TNA could be said to have taken a stab at being "real" competition, but to put those in context, and using the biggest estimates available: TNA's biggest selling PPVs in their history were: Bound for Glory 2006 in October 2006: 60,000 buys, 3600 in attendance. Impact's ratings hit a then-record 1.1 a week before the PPV. That same month WWE No Mercy did 197,000 buys with 9,000 in attendance. Genesis 2006 in November 2006: 60,000 buys, 900 in attendance. Impact's ratings that month hovered between 0.8 and 1.0. That same month WWE Survivor Series did 383,000 buys with 15,400 in attendance. Raw's ratings that month were between 3.7 and 3.8. Smackdown's were in the 2.7 range. WWE in 2006 was neck-deep in Super Cena and other highlights of the year included Vince McMahon's feud with God, Rey Mysterio's awful jobber run as champion + JBL's racist feud with same, May 19/Fake Kane, the first DX Nostalgia Reunion, lots of Spirit Squad, Cryme Tyme, Mexicools, Jillian Hall's Mole, Big Vito the Crossdresser, Big Dick Johnson, the Great Khali's first big push, Elevated Liver Enzymes, and was capped off with the December to Dismember PPV. (it also had the second One Night Stand PPV and some good Cena/Edge stuff and probably other enjoyable things I've forgotten thanks to the firehose of poo poo) TNA in 2006 meanwhile had just brought in Christian for a main event run and while there were still Voodoo Kin Mafias and Jeff Jarrets and Reverse Battle Royales stinking up the joint, was spending a good amount of PPV time spotlighting people like Samoa Joe, Christopher Daniels, AJ Styles, LAX, Motor City Machine Guns, Roderick Strong, Bobby Roode, Jay Lethal, Kazarian, Low-Ki, and thanks to a partnership with New Japan sometimes you'd get Tanahashi or Goto or Liger on a card. It was far from perfect, but it felt like it could grow into a viable alternative. In the fall they got Kurt Angle (which probably wasn't a great idea for Kurt's longterm wellbeing) and immediately programmed Kurt Angle vs. Samoa Joe, which was how they popped those two buyrates. Of course this was TNA, so within a year or two they decided to stop pushing all those vanilla midgets and push the focus heavily on The Main Event Mafia of aging dudes like Angle, Sting, Kevin Nash, Booker T, Scott Steiner, etc. After that didn't work, they went whole hog in 2010 by trying to restart the Monday Night Wars, bringing back/in Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair, Sting, Eric Bischoff, Hall & Nash, X-Pac, Jeff Hardy, Val Venis, the Nasty Boys, and Bubba the Love Sponge in one week, which got them over 2,000,000 viewers (compared to that night's Raw, which did 5.6 million) So on that level, Impact got higher viewership on Spike at its peak than Dynamite is getting on TNT now. But TV viewership has changed and declined in general over the past nine years, and Raw is pretty much where Impact was back then. Percentagewise AEW is doing as well or better compared to Raw, not even getting into the arcana of demos or +3s/+7s. All In (the pre-AEW AEW PPV) did about as well as TNA's best ever PPV buyrate. Their three shows in 2019 have all done better than any TNA PPV ever has. TNA's highest ever attendance for a show appears to be either 8,100 for a house show in London, stateside their biggest gate was ~7,000 for the Lockdown 2013 PPV. AEW's attendance so far for Dynamite peaked with the debut at 11,500 and bottomed out at 3,600 in Charlotte, and averages out for the first ten weeks to around 6,000 people a week. They've had over 10,000 people for all of their PPVs so far. All of this is a very long way of saying that other than being Not WWE, I don't really know by what metrics you'd possibly compare TNA to AEW. Which isn't to say AEW is perfect or even has metrics heading in the right direction, but they're not loving TNA. I guess the other common ground they have is coming along when WWE is putting out garbage, but that seems incredibly non-unique in the 21st Century.
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Yeah, read any random chunk of that LOLTNA article and try to map it to "had some audio issues because of their broadcaster" or "isn't pushing the Young Bucks enough" or "taking a few weeks to figure out how to thread the needle on Kris Statlander's gimmick" or whatever the things dooming AEW are.
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jesus WEP posted:i feel like there’s one specific loltna that maps pretty drat closely to this "[Bucks/Kenny/Cody] are the people running the company but they're not pushing themselves hard enough!" which maps pretty closely to "[Jarrett/Dixie Carter/Bischoff/Hogan] are the people running but they're not pushing themselves hard enough!" Lamuella posted:Has anyone in wrestling ever actually got over because of a gimmick about having an outside job? Do Dr. Wagner or Baron Von Raschke count?
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Every time I look at the LOLTNA file there is something new and fascinating, like the match from Destination X 2005: Monty Brown is a hot up and coming babyface. He spends weeks getting menaced by TRYTAN, a big hoss doing a Terminator style gimmick. A few minutes into Trytan's first (awful) match, the lights go out and Trytan disappears and in his place is an obviously different person covered head to toe in black who is identified as only "the masked man" who is immediately Pounced by Monty Brown and pinned. quote:TENAY: The lights went out again! How many times have we seen this when Trytan's been involved? Anyway then an hour later Monty Brown turns heel and becomes Jarrett's lackey, The Masked Man is never mentioned again and Trytan starts tagging with Simon Diamond for a couple of months before WWE signs him to a developmental deal that goes nowhere because Trytan is tall and Trytan is swole but Trytan is not good. It would be incredible if AEW ever approached this level of dadaism.
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Max Coveri posted:Wasn't the masked man actually Mideon?
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Hall was there incredibly sporadically. 2002: Part of the initial weekly PPV era, mostly feuding with Jeff Jarrett, briefly tagging with Syxx-Pac 2004: Returns with Kevin Nash as part of the stable The Kings of Wrestling, which for some reason involved dressing up like Fat Elvis. AJ Style and Jeff Hardy's Mystery Partner against the Kings is Randy Savage in his last brief wrestling appearance. He loses to Jeff Hardy at the next PPV and disappears. 2007: Scott Hall is teased as Sting's mystery partner at a PPV in a match against Nash and Kurt Angle, but the mystery partner is Booker T. Hall does appear, but only to attack Kurt Angle and declare that he's there to get revenge on Nash for not supporting him. Nash and Hall make up, team up with Samoa Joe and start a feud with the Angle Alliance, but then Hall no-shows and Eric Young begins the aforementioned tumultuous partnership with Eric Young. Hall does not actually wrestle a match during this run. 2008: Scott Hall appears in the crowd during a PPV with the Insane Clown Posse in what was either a worked shoot, or a shoot, or maybe the ICP appearing was a work but they brought Hall along unannounced and the plans were scrapped 2010: THE NEW MONDAY NIGHT WARS. January 4: Hall and Waltman appear as "Outsiders" and try to get "The Band" back together with Hogan and Nash. Nash is receptive, but Hogan won't have it. Hall/Nash/Waltman beat up Mick Foley, who is wary of Hogan's new power. January 17: Hall and Nash are scheduled to wrestle Beer Money but Waltman fills in for Hall January 21: Hogan orders Hall and Waltman be arrested because they're not TNA contracted wrestlers February 4: Hall and Waltman turn on Nash February 18: Eric Young saves his old buddy Kevin Nash (who had turned on him to form the Main Event Mafia a couple of years earlier) from a Hall/Waltman beatdown, they spend the next month brawling March 21: Nash/Young vs. Hall/Waltman have a match with the latter's TNA contracts on the line. Nash turns on Young, winning his buddies contracts and Reforming the Band March 29: Eric Young is offered a spot in The Band, turns it down and gets beaten April 18: After Nash squashes Eric Young, he teams with Hall to job to the Dudley Boys because Waltman no-showed and never appears in TNA again May 4: Eric Young turns on the Dudley Boys to join the Band after all May 13: Nash and Hall beat Matt Morgan for the tag titles. Yes, just Matt Morgan. May 19: Nash invokes the Freebird Rule so that Hall and Young can defend the tag titles against Matt Morgan. Again, just Matt Morgan. June 14: The Band are stripped of the tag team championships June 15: Scott Hall and Sean Waltman are released June 24: Eric Young and Kevin Nash amicably break up The Band October 13: Kevin Nash announces he is retiring January 2011: Nash re-signs with TNA, but then gets an offer to be a surprise entrant in the Royal Rumble and manages to talk Dixie Carter out of honoring his new contract so that he could text himself and derail CM Punk's big main event push And that was the end of the Band, though they're all going into the WWE Hall of Fame next year!
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Other people who I am pretty sure have never wrestled outside of the WWE system but have gone onto success would include Charlotte, the Usos, and Big E. I think there's a lot of gray area here, in that people like Kofi Kingston or Sasha Banks or Otis or Velveteen Dream did not literally start wrestling under the WWE banner, but were plucked from relative obscurity in the first year or two of their career, and really developed into the persona/performer they are in a WWE ring. Lumping people like that in with Asuka/Kevin Owens/Samoa Joe/AJ Styles/Finn Balor as "not homegrown talent" seems kind of insane to me.
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Visual Basic Bitch posted:That would’ve been the...fourth? fifth? consecutive time that sheamus/DB was advertised for Wrestlemania? Even though it didn’t always happen, what with their match suddenly turning into a battle royal and whatnot. WM26: Triple H d. Sheamus / Daniel Bryan hasn't debuted yet WM27: Dark Match Sheamus vs. Bryan turns into a battle royale that the Great Khali wins WM28: Sheamus vs. Bryan ends in 18 seconds WM29: Sheamus & Friends lose to the Shield, Team Hell No d. Big E/Ziggler WM30: WM31: Bryan wins the IC title ladder match, is challenged to a match by a returning Sheamus two days later. I guess this almost counts? WM32: Bryan is 'retired', The League of Nations d. The New Day WM33: Bryan is 'retired', The Bar loses a tag team title ladder match WM34: Bryan & Shane d. KO & Sami, Strowman & Child d. The Bar WM35: Kingston d. Bryan, The Usos d. The Bar (and others) The real takeaway here is that in the past decade Sheamus and Daniel Bryan have ranked highly enough to have a total of five singles matches at Wrestlemania. Two were against each other (and ran under five minutes for the two), then they both wrestled Triple H, and then finally last year Bryan got one against Kofi. There's still hope for a decisive singles match between Sheamus and Daniel this year!
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Hellblazer187 posted:Who is the highest profile active wrestler not to have ever won a singles title in WWE, NJPW, or AEW? This is a discussion I had a while back with my other wrestle chat, curious to hear your perspectives. Matt Riddle Io Shirai Xavier Woods Pentagon Jr. Fenix Either Buck Hangman Page Sanada Everyone but the first two would be disqualified if you include tag championships, obviously. Also I guess luchas like LA Park, Rush, Ultimo Guerrero, etc. would be in the conversation.
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oldpainless posted:If you could take any two wrestlers from any year and combine them into the best wrestler who would you choose and why was it 2002 Brock Lesnar and 2014 Brock Lesnar?
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Eduoard Carpentier's kids Karen and Richard had a good run as a musical combo, didn't end well though.
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I don't know about World Class specifically but they went through and replaced music on pretty much everything you can think of on the Network, including old WWF/E shows. It's noticable, but given how much Heyman/ECW built their promos/entrances/shows around using popular music I imagine it hits ECW shows way harder than just about any other show.
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I think you can talk about the 'best' wrestlers in a way that doesn't begin and end with how much money they made, in the same way that not every conversation about the greatest films doesn't begin and end with "well, Shrek 2 made more money than any Hitchcock or Kubrick film so let's just nip this conversation in the bud before you embarrass yourself."
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XeeD posted:Why does Andrade get away with not vacating his title with his wellness suspension, but Naomi had to give up her belt immediately on a minor injury? With Naomi, she was injured and you can look at an injury and assume she'd be out for X weeks (she was out for almost two months) but everyone rehabs differently and if she wasn't ready to come back at Wrestlemania, they wouldn't have had a women's title match. Granted, Naomi did come back at Wrestlemania (and won the title again), and it wouldn't shock me if they just forget to have a US title match at Mania in favor of [spins wheel] Booker T vs Jeff Jarrett, but it makes some degree of real-world logic. In terms of kayfabe, no. TheKingslayer posted:Yeah I wanna say The Corporation was involved? I don't think they were called that at the time of course. Edge & Christian fucked around with this message at 04:00 on Feb 18, 2020 |
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The Evolution of Charles Wright, WWF Superstar: 1) Papa Shango, a voodoo wizard who I believe had canonical magic powers before Undertaker did. Was slotted in as Warrior's summer feud after Sid Vicious was fired, but Warrior left/got fired before the match could happen. His entire monster heel build amounted to a quick job to WWF Champion Bret Hart and then he was let go. 2) A couple years later, Vince apparently wanted Papa Shango back and (according to WON) he was going to be revealed to have cast a spell to make Bob Backlund a heel. That was scrapped and he came back as Kama, the Supreme Fighting Machine who was never acknowledged as the former Papa Shango. He melted down Undertaker's urn and made it into a dookie chain on behalf of Ted Dibiase, jobbed to Undertaker, and was gone after after a year or so. 3) He was in talks to come in as an enforcer for the NWO, but was underbid by Virgil so he never worked for WCW. 4) Vince apparently wanted Papa Shango back again in 1997, but was talked out of it and Kama [Mustafa] the Supreme Fighting Machine returned to be part of the Nation of Domination. From there he sort of slowly slid into the Godfather character, replacing his kufi for a pimp hat and sunglasses in early 1998 and eventually just becoming "The Godfather". By the time Brawl for All rolled around he was a funloving vicious heel who brought ho's down to the ring and offered them to his opponents who was also an experienced mixed martial artist whose Fighting Machine credentials were touted by the announcers. A few months later the Godfather was a full on pimp babyface. 5) Then he was the Goodfather, then he just sort of disappeared during the Invasion, then he came back sporadically as the Godfather, a babyface character who discouraged other wrestlers from getting married. 6) Papa Shango returned on the Hardy Compound Halloween Special, which made canon that Kama Mustafa/The Godfather was in fact Papa Shango after he renounced the dark magics of vodoun. So technically Charles Wright only played two (arguably one) roles in the WWE, though the character of Kama went through a number of life changes over the years, but really I don't know that this evolution was that different than the Undertaker or Kane's changes over the years. Dolph Ziggler is another one with a similar arc, have they ever explicitly acknowledged that Ziggler was briefly a male cheerleader and a racist caddy? I know they explained the transitions for Festus/Luke Gallows, and I think they explained how the Majors Brothers were 'really' Hawkins and Ryder. Curtis Axel is canonically also Michael McGillicutty, but I don't think that canonically Skip Sheffield/The Ryback or Husky Harris/Bray Wyatt are the same people. Is Fandango Johnny Curtis? Are Edge and Christian still lowkey vampires? Did R-Truth ever get rowdy and/or move some things? Perhaps the Ruthless Aggression mini-series will begin to fill in some of these continuity gaps. Edge & Christian fucked around with this message at 04:52 on Feb 19, 2020 |
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Randaconda posted:He was leaving, and besides that, the fans always got sick of him real quick, I think it was because he was just mean a lot of the time, which was funny, but like... too mean? In comparison to Austin, who had to work like hell to get booed, even after his heel turn at WM17 Rock left after WM17 to to do the Scorpion King, and came back in the summer where he was once again pretty universally beloved, though again there were mixed reactions when he did his program with Chris Jericho which was designed to slowly turn Jericho heel. The crowd definitely turned on him by default at Wrestlemania 18 but that was solely because he was up against Hollywood Hogan and everyone wanted Hulk Hogan back, which sounds crazy now but was 100% the crowd sentiment in 2002. Right after WM19 is when the "you sold out" sentiment started. Rock was the #1 draft pick for Smackdown in the first brand split, where he appeared for two weeks and then took some time off for movies. He appeared once in May, once in June, and then came back in July to beat Kurt Angle for the world title and immediately build to a match against Brock Lesnar. This was when the writing was on the wall that he was a part-timer at best, and probably heading off to Hollywood full time, which made people start turning against him. At least online/in WON or whatever a lot of people knew that Summerslam was his last match for the foreseeable future, so people we booing him. They were right in that he disappeared for the rest of the year, and came back for a few months in early 2003 working heel as Hollywood Rock before heading back to Hollywood more or less for good. Maybe I'm missing something in the sort of post-Invasion part of WWE that I haven't re-watched in forever, but I don't remember anyone getting sick of him for the two years or so of consistent babyface reactions before that, which is ultimately basically half of his full-time wrestling career.
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It was a few years ago but Rick was happy to help Scottie open up his Shoney's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iI2ReZLmYA
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The Wikipedia summary of PWT draws a pretty direct line:quote:It first started as a digital print shop in 2008, where owner Ryan Barkan sold custom t-shirts under the company One Hour Tees. In 2010, Ryan received an email by a well-known independent wrestler Colt Cabana to help create a shirt for his then friend CM Punk that would say, “I Broke Big Show’s Hand”. After that, Ryan received more orders from Colt Cabana and later Colt offered Ryan a deal for promoting his business, One Hour Tees, on his podcast named, “The Art of Wrestling.” After getting featured on Colt’s podcast, the brand bloomed and got the attention of the wrestlers such as The Young Bucks, Joey Ryan, Kevin Steen, Christopher Daniels & Frankie Kazarian. In 2013, Ryan started the website ProWrestlingTees.com which is a marketplace of over 1,200 wrestlers who sell their own merchandise worldwide. In 2014, the company signed partnership deals with New Japan Pro-Wrestling. In 2017, they signed a deal with Hot topic to supply them the wrestling clothing and merchandise. In 2019, they become the official merchandise partner for All Elite Wrestling, launching ShopAEW.com.
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