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Helicity posted:Is there an effort post somewhere on how/why Inoki almost destroyed NJPW? Do you have an Observer subscription because Dave's 1996(?) G1 article details the history of the promotion and how Inoki's corruption almost destroyed the promotion in the 80s. OH! You meant when he almost destroyed it in the aughts. I don't think there is so here are the big points. First he double crossed Hashimoto in a match Hashimoto absolutely needed to win. Hashimoto was arguably their biggest star, and definitely their biggest healthy star as Chono and Mutoh were both in physical decline. (Mutoh would reinvent himself and have one last great in ring year a bit later.) Hashimoto left and formed Zero One. After this you started seeing the overuse of guys who were perceived as shooters, putting stars in shoot fights and other weird calls like bringing in Chyna. MassRafTer fucked around with this message at 14:39 on Sep 8, 2019 |
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PublicOpinion posted:Where does Puma King normally wrestle? I'm curious if the Ironman Heavymetalweight Championship might find its way onto Kenny to travel back to Japan in November. He's most regularly in AAA so there's a chance.
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Sep 9, 2019 20:03
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CopywrightMMXI posted:Who are some wrestlers who were either way ahead or way behind of their times? How would Steve Blackman be a huge star, he'd be nothing today.
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Sep 9, 2019 21:08
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Maigius posted:What was the deal with Dusty Rhodes in ECW? It seems like that would be a clash of styles. WCW let him go so he didn't really have any other option. Paul also realized fans would go nuts for stars of the past who liked to bleed or make others bleed. And Sid.
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Sep 13, 2019 03:57
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I really hope some day people start appreciating Dandy as more than just a meme. The Negro Casas and Santo matches are all incredible.
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Sep 16, 2019 18:13
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Punch McLightning posted:Does anyone have a clip to the Youtube where Beau James uses the worst armbar finisher in history? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbbUnTYS7zY
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Sep 20, 2019 05:11
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shiksa posted:lol what the gently caress is this, does this guy own this rinky dink company? thats the only thing that possibly makes sense. Correct! The other clips I have of SSW are even less professional. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhdessO5fQc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NllxbFa5BU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wl2rWiYfVgI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNAuK7lCHOc
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Sep 20, 2019 13:01
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forkboy84 posted:This forum is absurdly over-the-top in the Jarrett hate. Yes, Jeff Jarrett did some insufferable poo poo in his career, slapnuts was obnoxious, The Stroke was a lovely move, he was never meant to be a top guy in a national promotion. But as a midcard act Jeff was fine. There have absolutely been worse guys who've had runs on national TV. Most of his midcard runs were really bad after he jumped to WCW the first time. His first WCW run was really boring, his WWF run floundered until he was in a decent tag team with Owen, then he only got over as a single with huge over the top misogyny. The matches weren't anything special. When he went from main eventer to upper midcarder in WCW his performances were even worse. Yeah, he had a good run in the WWF in the mid 90s but that's really it.
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Sep 20, 2019 21:07
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Admiral Joeslop posted:I watched this with sound off at first and assumed someone had slowed the video down for effect. I guess grabbing someone's arm, putting your foot on their neck, and pulling hard would hurt. If you put any effort into it at all. Without looking I'd bet it's Lawler he's been in the ring with all sorts of old guys from that area. The thing to keep in mind about the arm bar is they were really proud of this angle. They played the full angle week after week on SSW TV, sometimes multiple times per show. We must've watched it 50 times when we watched SSW TV.
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Sep 20, 2019 21:52
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Punch McLightning posted:You watched SSW weekly? But at what expense?! I hated it less than NECW.
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Sep 22, 2019 03:36
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Sionistic posted:Ernest was a great character, and thankfully thats how he was mostly used He really wasn't.
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Sep 22, 2019 04:16
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AkumaHokoru posted:Gonna have to side with you on this one. the cat wasnt a good wrestler but he was a great character. People say this, but when. His three week feud with Norton that was good because of how awesome Norton was? It wasn't because of The Cat's ability to show rear end and take a beating. His face commissioner run where the highlight people point to are super racist skits with the Dragons? As a heel commissioner he was horrible. He completely stumbled over his promos and made bad Thunders nearly unbearable. As just a heel wrestler his feuds were mostly with people like Jerry Flynn where he did completely boring matches. He wasn't just a character for 90% of his run, he was a terrible wrestler. And during half of his "just a character run" he was one of the lamest heel authority figures of his era.
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Sep 22, 2019 15:54
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rujasu posted:It's tough to say what would have happened if WCW had kept Austin around. I don't think he would have remained "Stunning" into the nWo era, everyone was changing gimmicks around that time, and it's tough to be "Stunning" when you're going bald. Him and Pillman would have figured something out.
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Sep 23, 2019 16:00
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lost my old email posted:why do i know zigglers shoot name why was that in my brain? It's his Twitter Display Name so whenever someone posts his bad tweets you see it.
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Sep 25, 2019 04:04
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ChrisBTY posted:Who was the most popular maskless luchadore ever? Perro Aguayo.
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Sep 25, 2019 20:20
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Don't worry, I'm not MassRafTer, I'm not going to insist that Santino was always terrible simply because I personally wasn't a fan of his work. That's weird because I thought Santino was used very effectively at times and liked when they gave him those brief hope spots in the Chamber and Rumble. It's also not weird a super popular comedy figure would be getting bigger pops than career midcard heel like Regal.
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Sep 25, 2019 21:16
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Hedgehog Pie posted:What happened to noted white supremacist Lars Sullivan? I've not heard about him for a bit. They sent him to sensitivity training. He's back and repackaged as Luke Harper.
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Sep 26, 2019 19:36
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Edge & Christian posted:I've seen them wrestle a couple of times I think but I do not know if they have any distinguishing characteristics beyond "crazy evil carnival/clown/circus wrestlers". Alex Shelley and Abyss were both great Embassy members, and competed in a Trios tournament with Rave!
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Sep 29, 2019 04:18
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Beer_Suitcase posted:I have nothing to back this up but how bout Liger? Hes been working consistently for so long. Negro Casas been working longer than Liger and more matches per year. The answer is definitely someone in Mexico. Maybe it's Mil Mascaras!
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Oct 4, 2019 02:58
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Breitbart Is Rightbart posted:Goldust? He's got to be in the discussion if we're talking wrestlers who are still active. With Mexico and Japan he's probably not even in the top 50. Especially given his relative inactivity for the last decade.
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Oct 4, 2019 21:27
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Kaveman posted:Do we know when NXT UK contracts are up? There's a few people in there that AEW could use, mainly the women. Hard to say but if the first class of signings were to 3 year deals they'd be up this winter.
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Oct 12, 2019 04:03
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Schneider Heim posted:What are the best heel promos of all time? (No slurs) I've posted this before for other reasons but I'll post it for this one. Nick Bockwinkel in the $500 per punch feud with Lawler was incredible. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WL3LJMQmKpA This is probably the weakest promo in the feud but sadly I lost my old VHSes that had a more complete compilation of these promos.
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Oct 15, 2019 03:53
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Takuan posted:Psycho Clown. He has a lot of charisma and has been booked to win a lot and be a top guy. He also has a mask that's cool for kids. He's really not a good wrestler though and doesn't even have the really cool spots like Murder Clown does.
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Oct 17, 2019 05:04
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I am glad sentiment on Big Show has changed around here.
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Oct 18, 2019 01:06
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Pollyanna posted:I don’t know anything about wrestling. How do I know if a show/match/whatever I’m watching is good? There are two elements that make a good wrestling match. Ideally both are combined, but you can have a good match with a minimum of one if the other is high enough. The first is cool moves. The second is acting like a bad rear end. If the wrestlers are doing both you are watching a great match.
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Oct 19, 2019 03:36
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I know there were signs that problems were mounting for Britwres before they all signed death pacts with WWE, but it's really funny that the scene nose dived right after.
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Oct 21, 2019 17:46
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TheCool69 posted:I guess this is the right time and place to ask this, but somehow i dont get all the complaining people do when someone signs a contract . It's not always for more money, some of the top indie guys and certain Japanese wrestlers (Io and Kairi) took pay cuts to go to NXT. People don't like seeing their favorites sign and end up in a company that's historically lovely to workers with terrible creative. They get that wrestlers deserve to make money, but it's a bummer to see some of them sign. Especially early this year when it was wrestlers who agreed to NXT deals before the AEW bidding war really began.
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Oct 21, 2019 20:58
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Draxion posted:They probably are getting hurt This too, the WWE schedule is by far the most dangerous for wrestlers long term health.
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Oct 21, 2019 21:04
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Yinlock posted:something wwe has totally forgotten is that comeuppance is great and heels acting like massive dicks is fine as long as they get their rear end kicked for it I mean WCW wasn't exactly good at it. Hell in this story Jericho immediately gets the belt back.
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Oct 21, 2019 21:27
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Schneider Heim posted:Thanks for the discussion. I had always thought the Tombstone was a Taker original. It's so iconic that they just call it that now. It's also fun to reverse-engineer what finishers actually are because I learn new poo poo like modified reverse crossbody grapplefuck or something. Here's something to gently caress with your head: Bret Hart learned the Sharpshooter from Konnan.
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Oct 23, 2019 02:58
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Schneider Heim posted:So did Sting base his gimmick around the Scorpion Deathlock or did it just fall into place? It also refers to a scorpion in the original Japanese name of the move. I believe it fell into place, he took the name Sting and right after he saw the move.
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Oct 23, 2019 04:11
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LividLiquid posted:I agree with you, but he was hooked on heroin at the time. Today's wrestlers just don't commit to the gimmick.
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Oct 23, 2019 22:37
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Admiral Joeslop posted:It blows my mind that the NWA still exists as an entity and now has a TV show of some kind? They have a TV show in as much every back yard wrestling fed on youtube does.
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Oct 26, 2019 16:57
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Timby posted:I believe Austin also felt that HHH wasn't ready to be The Guy at that point. (And he wasn't wrong.) It was partially Austin but mostly not wanting to have Ventura count for a heel.
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Oct 27, 2019 00:23
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Spikegal posted:I remember really enjoying the feud in WCW between Raven Benoit and DDP but don't actually remember what it was about or what happened. Does anyone remember? Bonus points if you can just from memory without any refreshers. Ok so Benoit was feuding with Raven and had to go through the Flock before he faced Raven. He finally faced Raven at Souled Out 98 and destroyed him. The next month Benoit faced DDP for the US title at Superbrawl and lost. Raven then DDTed DDP through a coffee table on MTV Live and started their feud, and Benoit was like, hey I beat you and could have beat DDP so let's all feud. They had the best 3 way up to that point at Uncensored, then Benoit went with Booker T and Raven beat DDP at Spring Stampede to then drop the US title to Goldberg the next night.
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Oct 31, 2019 05:00
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Low Desert Punk posted:what's the oldest really good lucha match that's actually on tape? So much of that stuff seems just completely wiped out or not recorded at all MS-1 vs Sangre Chicana is the oldest, greatest match ever type match I've watched. It's from the EMLL 50th Anniversary show. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXJC75SV6xE
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Oct 31, 2019 14:56
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Spuckuk posted:LTTP but Okada vs peak Kenta Kobashi would be the worlds first 18* match Prick Okada vs 2005, kind of broken down beloved legend Kobashi would be my pick.
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Nov 5, 2019 17:23
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CityMidnightJunky posted:Foley had 4 distinctively different gimmicks. Cactus, Mankind, Dude Love, and himself. Rapping Cena and Fruity Pebbles Cena were pretty much as distinct as Foley's gimmicks. They were all the same dude. It's not like The Destroyer where he was WWA Champion as The Destroyer and AWA Champion as Dr. X and changed up everything he could about the way he wrestled so people wouldn't figure out the difference.
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Nov 8, 2019 21:49
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The Lord of Hats posted:So, I’ve only really gotten into wrestling hard with AEW (I previously watched the first two seasons of LU), and I’ve been listening to a shitlod of wrestling retrospective stuff at work to pass time. Which is, naturally, a very different perspective from having watched live. Hugely charismatic guy with the perfect body for the 1980s when everyone was convinced bodybuilders were the ultimate bad asses.
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Breitbart Is Rightbart posted:That's the one. It's 100% Vader's gently caress up, I can't even imagine what he thought he was doing. Trying to kill Kane and I support the effort.
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