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No single move can be very powerful on its own, because anything that gets a legendary pop will be adopted as a mid-match move by indie nobodies. Now, if you look at wrestler/move pairings, Kobashi's Burning Hammer is death itself.
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Half the roster is entitled to no-sell it! It's less effective than the most widely-used and consistently successful finisher, the rollup.
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Sep 9, 2019 18:35
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lost my old email posted:i have a scoop via an intimate friend: it is not fun to be punched in the vagina Dick Bastardly posted:Why was The Crow Sting so cool and will there ever be a dark 90's grunge gimmick as cool as that again? (the kind of 90s dark grunge gimmick where the wrestler never utters a word, but has magical powers that allow him/her/they to appear behind their enemy from a puff of smoke or burst through the center of the ring with a baseball bat, or maybe transform themselves from a gross sweaty ringside fan to cool dark 90s face painted freak a la a magician's trick?) There won't be another Dark 90s
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Sep 9, 2019 19:27
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WWE scrubbed that video of the fans swaying back and forth to The Brood's entrance, so just pretend I posted that.rotinaj posted:Akitoshi Saito’s Death Landing, because it kept Misawa down
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Sep 9, 2019 20:37
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Also change his name from "Vampire Warrior" to something that sounds as good in English as "Vampiro Guerrero" does in Spanish. Or just buy a permanent license for the Gangrel name from Paradox. There's no way they could be afraid you'll gently caress up their brand worse than the sack of assholes running it now.
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Sep 9, 2019 20:54
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karmicknight posted:Can some qualify for me the main differences between ‘wrestling cool’ and ‘real’ cool. I promise not to use that word again for the rest of the week.
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Sep 10, 2019 00:42
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You're talking about a man who did all the work in a five-man match, and only lost when he pinned himself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzxcnfgpaS0
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Sep 16, 2019 03:30
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Smoking Crow posted:El Dandy was the best wrestler in the world for a while in the early 90s
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Sep 16, 2019 14:55
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Schneider Heim posted:Could anyone tell me more about Bob Sapp? I understand that he became quite popular in Japan... was he legit good? He mostly looked goofy to me. Sapp's K-1 career was a sick joke where the company heavily promoted and protected him. They put him up against guys half his size, some of them barely-trained pro wrestlers or washed-up guys like Kimo Leopoldo. A lot of his fights were refereed by Kakuda Nobuaki, who would let him get away with fouling to the point that he won matches doing it. He scored knockdowns by rushing, hit grounded opponents, threw punches after the bell, and rabbit punched whenever he got the chance. That's how he beat Ernesto Hoost twice. Then Cro Cop broke his face. High-level guys figured out that Sapp couldn't really box and couldn't really take a hit--you just had to be able to dodge 300 pounds of muscle and bone running at you. Since the end of his K-1 heyday, he's enjoyed a long career of taking an occasional fight that turns out to be a big disappointment when he gives up in the first round the first time he gets hit hard. Throughout this whole time he was also doing MMA fights. The details of that aren't as interesting--he mostly either ground-and-pounded much smaller guys, or got beaten by someone who was actually good and could deal with his size and power. Early on, he put in a highlight reel performance against Nogueira by countering a takedown with a piledriver and countering triangle attempts with slams. He took Jerome Le Banner to a draw in a weird mixed rules match, and beat a washed-up and cash-strapped Akebono in a record-drawing K-1 match. He beat Akebono again in a MMA match in 2015, and beat Osunaarashi last year. Those are his best performances against legit athletes. Since his K-1 heyday he got a reputation for taking an occasional fight and pretty much throwing it in the first round. He denies throwing fights, but admits that he's not going to get hurt for small paydays. I don't know why any promotion would want to give him a pile of money to tap out in 2 minutes, but if they're dumb enough to pay him, good on him for taking the money. Despite being a bust as a real athletic prospect, he was incredibly over in Japan. Way more popular than genuine champion-level contenders like Cro Cop, and well into being a mainstream celebrity. He knew how to promote himself, and I think he knew he wasn't ever going to become a champion fighter. I honestly can't tell you a lot about his wrestling career. I've seen a few of his matches and they're...okay. He has a talent for playing the monster heel, but he gasses out just as quickly as he did as a pro fighter, after which he appears to be moving in slow-motion.
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Sep 17, 2019 16:36
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ChrisBTY posted:Is there a worse professional wrestler than Beau James? Dude makes Khali look like Vader. He's almost as bad as JJ.
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Sep 20, 2019 17:46
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Beau James is, objectively, a terrible wrestler. But somebody asked "Hey, does anybody have that video of that wrestling move Beau James did?" and someone else answered with a quickness. I've never seen anyone display any curiosity about JJ's actual wrestling. Mongo was a more entertaining worker.
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Sep 20, 2019 18:27
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ChrisBTY posted:Being so terrible that people consider you a spectacle makes you the opposite of better than anybody. Hellblazer187 posted:Edit: JJ is a "better than average" promo also. I say this, knowing that promos (at least during TNA) are like, bargain basement HHH rip offs from HHH's worst run, but I really think most guys suck at promos so even that puts him above most guys.
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Sep 20, 2019 19:24
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forkboy84 posted:Yes, Jeff Jarrett did some insufferable poo poo in his career, slapnuts was obnoxious, The Stroke was a lovely move, he was never meant to be a top guy in a national promotion.
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Sep 20, 2019 20:49
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXtN4FXRdK8 You can also see Boogie Woogie Man in the background later on. I like how the most technical wrestling move in his highlight reel is a lovely unsafe looking brainbuster. His favourite move seems to be an extremely lovely headlock punch, but my favourite is when he does a chest-high kick and appears to immediately grab his groin muscle in pain. Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Sep 20, 2019 |
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Sep 20, 2019 21:32
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forkboy84 posted:I'm really not the JJ defence squad, he's got far more bad than good but he shouldn't be getting mentioned in the same breath as complete hacks.
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Sep 20, 2019 21:41
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lost my old email posted:i mean of all the money wcw wasted at least they got james brown out of it that time, y'know? Davros1 posted:Roma was gifted athletically (he was the first guy I ever saw do a hands free leap from the mat to the top rope), and had a good look, but he been portrayed as a jobber for so long that he couldn't shake that stigma. Even when the WWF turned him heel and teamed him with Hercules and Slick, he was still thought of as a jobber. For him to have been taken seriously, the WWF would've had to do a lot more to make him credible than simply turn him heel.
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Sep 23, 2019 14:23
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Why did they make a Shane Douglas as Genghis Khan action figure? Did I miss that angle? And why does he have a guitar?
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Sep 26, 2019 15:49
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Edge & Christian posted:Looking back at the list the homophobia is what really sticks out, but it's also striking how the list mixes like actual rape/murder/assault in with "Raven is an atheist" and "Dusty Rhodes stiffed some wrestlers on their payday" and "Ron Killings would rather drive than fly to a show because it's easier to bring his weed along" and "New Jack got paid in porno DVDs once" and "a bunch of people have had an affair".
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Oct 1, 2019 16:45
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Title reigns aren't necessarily the best way to measure longevity, though it mostly cuts out all the mostly-retired guys. Jushin Liger is up there, but falls short of Flair and Jericho. Gypsy Joe had a 40-year run between his first tag title and his last, but you're probably not interested in guys like that.
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Oct 11, 2019 14:44
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There's this one Jake promo I can barely remember the context for, where he confesses that he doesn't know why he's always been driven to be bad just for its own sake, and keeps repeating "It's not my fault!" Wish I could find it.
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Oct 16, 2019 15:12
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ChrisBTY posted:My hot take is that Big Show was simply too versatile a character (if not a wrestler) to be pidgeonholed into the "monster" role.
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Oct 17, 2019 16:35
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Spikegal posted:In the end it comes down to Juventude Guerrero and Ciclope who have a little chat followed by Juventude eliminating himself. Jericho gets in the ring to challenge him now only for Ciclope to take his mask off and ITS DEAN loving MALENKO THE ICEMAN THE MAN OF A 1000 HOLDS AND HE KICKS JERICHO'S loving rear end. 
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Oct 21, 2019 19:08
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The Alamo is showing a Nightmare Freddy vs. Super Leatherface match before the special NoES showing, and I love it.
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Oct 22, 2019 00:15
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Did The Fat Boys ever appear in wrestling? Why not?
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Oct 22, 2019 00:27
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Wrestlers should always say the name of their finisher, and it should always, always be a pun on their own name.
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Oct 22, 2019 14:59
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No, those are both poo poo. "Jackknife" and "Jackhammer" both sound like something violent. And neither name is long enough.
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Oct 22, 2019 17:28
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Perfect. (It's the Overdrive, the best finisher)
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Oct 22, 2019 18:19
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Russo's entire aesthetic sense is down to the parts of tabloid talk shows where they get into staged fistfights. That's what he wants wrestling to be, and that's all he wants it to be. This explains most of the many problems with his approach to it.
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Oct 23, 2019 00:30
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I'm not comfortable with the assertion that Sting ever learned how to do the Sharpshooter.
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Oct 23, 2019 04:09
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Bryan's move has always been slightly different, though; it's a crossface from an omoplata setup.
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Oct 23, 2019 16:24
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Alaois posted:the original irish whip was more like an ippon seoi than what we call an irish whip now
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Oct 23, 2019 20:50
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There was a period in rock music where all the lyrics were just a report on a domestic violence incident.
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Oct 24, 2019 15:24
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When Flair left WCW with the belt, didn't the court rule that because he had put down collateral on it (I want to say it was $20-40,000) they had to either give him his money or give up the belt?
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Oct 25, 2019 14:09
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Shine posted:Pretty girl, put your hand in my buttcheeks.
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Oct 26, 2019 01:13
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Conversely, a nWo shirt is a good way to attract leftists, for some reason. You haven't lived until you've been too-sweeted by a Hoxhaist.
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Oct 28, 2019 19:16
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Plays?
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CityMidnightJunky posted:Foley had 4 distinctively different gimmicks. Cactus, Mankind, Dude Love, and himself. I expected some other guys who have had a lot of gimmicks to make the list, but e.g. Kane didn't fight for any titles as Isaac Yankem. Gaz-L posted:I'd argue late-era Mankind and regular Mick were basically the same as well.
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Nov 8, 2019 21:43
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Workers, collectively, have all the power, individual workers have little or none. That's why the WWE, and the United States, is a dogshit hellworld when it comes to labour power.
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fatherofmustard posted:What's the point of banning closed fists? 1. As Nick Bockwinkel said, the name on the marquee is wrestling! In the early half of the 20th century, wrestling was often featured on a card with boxing. There was no reason to see Boxing and lovely Fake Boxing. Much wrestling up until the 50s could pass for believable submission grappling. 2. Real boxing punches are hard to fake, so allowing closed-fist brawls would just expose the business. 3. Banning punches allows for all kinds of chops, hammer fists, forearms, kicks, and other moves that that add excitement to the "Slam Bang Western Style" wrestling that developed in the 20s and is pretty much the basis for all modern styles of pro wrestling.
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Ox Baker on The Price is Right is hard to beat.
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