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possibly one of the most viscerally upsetting episodes of tv ive ever watched
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jfood posted:that was an important story told well, but I feel loving filthy and need a good cry in the shower. You know things have gotten real hosed up when you're sitting there going "please just take the drugs".
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Oct 22, 2019 22:21
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gently caress that was dark. At least that other girl got a job on Crocodile Dundee. 
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Oct 22, 2019 23:09
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That was incredible. Up there with the most tragic scenes in The Wire. Emily Meade was spectacular. And I didn't see it coming, though I should have.
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Oct 23, 2019 02:11
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I didn't even really think about it while watching, but in the post credits Maggie Gyllenhaal talks about how Eileen knew the state Lori was in and could have offered her a place to stay, or tell her that the last thing she needs to be doing is loving on film right now. It really kind of changes the context of that scene and I also think it sums up Eileen in a nutshell in a lot of ways.
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Oct 23, 2019 03:16
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This is the episode after Candy's realization that all women, not just sex workers, have price tags on them all the time. Then Lori calls her, out of the blue and down on her luck, and the first thing Candy sees is dollar signs.
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Oct 23, 2019 04:30
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Orange Devil posted:You know things have gotten real hosed up when you're sitting there going "please just take the drugs". i interpreted that as she wanted to go out sober
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Oct 23, 2019 04:40
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the great deceiver posted:i interpreted that as she wanted to go out sober In the Rolling Stone interview, Emily Meade said she played it partly as Lori thinking along the lines of "Why bother, I've done this, I've done a trick, nothing's working for me anymore," and partly through sheer commitment in that moment; she didn't want the possibility of even a fleeting high changing her mind.
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Oct 23, 2019 05:06
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nooneofconsequence posted:This is the episode after Candy's realization that all women, not just sex workers, have price tags on them all the time. Then Lori calls her, out of the blue and down on her luck, and the first thing Candy sees is dollar signs. She's very good at talking the talk and not walking the walk, making excuses, being charming etc. To the point that it's really easy to root for her despite virtually everything she's done being extremely self serving, often at the expense of others. I wouldn't go as far as to say she's a sociopath, but she only cares about herself. Her ability to convince other characters and even me the viewer otherwise is why I think she's the most interesting character on the show.
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Oct 23, 2019 05:49
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JethroMcB posted:In the Rolling Stone interview, Emily Meade said she played it partly as Lori thinking along the lines of "Why bother, I've done this, I've done a trick, nothing's working for me anymore," and partly through sheer commitment in that moment; she didn't want the possibility of even a fleeting high changing her mind. jesus christ thats loving dark
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Oct 23, 2019 07:07
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eileen's arc has always felt like she could only see outwards, like the camera. it's probably an unkind phrase, but she completely whores out harvey and uses sex in a similar way to larry brown or cece. the behaviours she always considered herself above, by being independant on the street, she goes on to repeat in most of her relationships. kinda ties into her scene with dworkin, where everything beyond the frame of the shot is completely outside of eileen's view, she only sees the art not the teenage girl being strung out on coke so she'll film gangbangs, etc.
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Oct 23, 2019 07:12
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One of Eileen's most interesting scenes was when her new boyfriend offered her money for her film. I sat there going: gently caress no that's the one thing you absolutely cannot do because she's crossed that line of having sex for money so now you can't do a nice thing for your girlfriend involving money without putting the relationship in the context of money, at least for her. And then she's going to ask what the difference is between you and all the John's and she's not going to be able to answer that for herself in a way that she doesn't have to walk away. To the dude's credit he backed off tactfuly right away, but I was 50/50 on whether him even offering was already going to be enough for her to recontextualize the whole thing into a place where she couldn't see him as a boyfriend anymore. I'm also really curious how the dude will react to her going back in front of the camera. I think there's also an interesting contrast with the earlier season 1 (?) arc where one of the prostitutes (Shay I think?) wants out and needs a place to hide from her pimp so Abby sets her up to crash at Irene's. I really expected Eileen to offer Lori her couch or whatever, but she kept going for small amounts of money. She tried emotional support, but only from a place of her own experience. When Lori pulled back from that and told her she wasn't like that, she didn't even try again but went along with Lori's deflection to business. Pretty sure that was the last chance to stop her from ending up the way she did, and the deal was certainly sealed when she told the John her real name. I also really liked the scene between Abby and the city guy. His whole "cleaning up the city" shtick seems nice on the surface, but Abby's question of "clean it up for who" goes straight to the heart of the matter. All the people there currently, as hosed up as their situations may be, aren't about to have their situations improved. They're about to be replaced. They're going to be picked up and dumped somewhere else so that the place looks nice for other people. A process our police friend should be all too familiar with, seeing as that's exactly what he was doing all the way back in season 1 (and recognizing that it doesn't work) and it's exactly what he's doing now, except on a larger scale. Orange Devil fucked around with this message at 10:17 on Oct 23, 2019 |
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Oct 23, 2019 09:46
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Why exactly is Abby so hung up on the gun? Is there some backstory I'm not remmebering where her younger baby brother found a gun and accidently shot himself that I'm not remembering or is just another one of her super principalled stances? I'm guessing this is super obvious, but just wanting to confirm, the drug that fixes heart problems that is not going to be cleared by the FDA is gonna be Viagra isn't it? Is this story gonna end well for anyone?
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Oct 23, 2019 13:51
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As someone who lived in NYC during the Giuliani years and saw blocks and blocks of porn supermarkets transformed into chain restaurants and brand-based stores, Abby's scene with Gene resonated with me. Yes, the change was an improvement. But it's an improvement that mostly benefited the rich folks who own the restaurant chains, not actual New Yorkers. Re Eileen: In a way, it's understandable -- she would not have survived walking the streets alone if she didn't have a strong streak of Looking Out for #1 in her character. Looten Plunder posted:I'm guessing this is super obvious, but just wanting to confirm, the drug that fixes heart problems that is not going to be cleared by the FDA is gonna be Viagra isn't it? There's been some speculation about this, but 1985 is too early -- Pfizer didn't start experimenting with Viagra until 1989, and didn't get FDA approval to start selling it until 1998. Selachian fucked around with this message at 13:54 on Oct 23, 2019 |
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Oct 23, 2019 13:51
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Looten Plunder posted:Is this story gonna end well for anyone? Melissa's got that job doing costuming on Crocodile Dundee, that's something Loretta seems to have found a stable relationship There's a chance that Paul will find out he's clean; I could see him embracing his role as a gay community leader, politicking, helping organize some kind of memorial project Beyond those few, no, probably not.
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Oct 23, 2019 14:16
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Looten Plunder posted:Why exactly is Abby so hung up on the gun? Is there some backstory I'm not remmebering where her younger baby brother found a gun and accidently shot himself that I'm not remembering or is just another one of her super principalled stances? She made Vince promise not to get revenge because the mafia would come back hard and she didn't want to see Vince, herself, and all of her friends that kick up to the mafia dead. Every time she sees a gun it is a reminder that Vince broke his promise and they could both end up dead like Frankie.
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Oct 23, 2019 17:36
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Looten Plunder posted:Is this story gonna end well for anyone? So far as we know, Larry is just chillin out and relaxin somewhere!
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Oct 24, 2019 05:45
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Hopefully we'll find out that Darlene got the nursing position.
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Oct 24, 2019 05:53
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leon gets his first michelin star in '89
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Oct 24, 2019 07:19
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upgunned shitpost posted:leon gets his first michelin star in '89 I'm anticipating a final montage showing everybody persevering or moving on, where we'll get a shot of Leon signing paperwork and shaking hands with guys in suits wearing Mickey Mouse ears and Golden Arches lapel pins
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Oct 24, 2019 14:04
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I assume they picked the surname Dwyer for Bobby as a reference to the Pogues song Body of An American, the song sang at the cop funerals in The Wire, which contains a character named Jim Dwyer. This has been my contribution for the month.
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Oct 28, 2019 00:49
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Good ending IMO. Edit: Also, was that a The Wire reference when Black Frankie said he was going to Baltimore? It seemed very specific. withak fucked around with this message at 04:22 on Oct 29, 2019 |
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Oct 29, 2019 03:47
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When the title card read 2019, I said "gently caress you;" the obituary thing was a little on-the-nose, but Vince walking past all the ghosts won me over. Good-rear end ending to a great series.withak posted:Good ending IMO. Nathan Barksdale is the real-life Baltimore drug dealer that provided David Simon a lot of inspiration for The Wire's characters (Like...the guys named "Barksdale.") I mostly read it as "Oh, Frankie's going to go get killed over some street-level dealer's squabble; Frankie's gonna be a guy Omar guns down."
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Oct 29, 2019 06:02
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I'd like to think black frankie became one of those no-flash crime godfathers prop joe used to go on about or opened a sandwich shop that did lake trout right
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Oct 29, 2019 06:04
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If your name is David Simon, you don't combine the phrases 'my cousin Nathan' and 'west Baltimore' in a show set in the 1980's unless it's on purpose.
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Oct 29, 2019 06:12
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Another post-mortem interview with David Simon over at Rolling Stone (with a second part coming tomorrow.) He addresses what happened to Larry:quote:I thought of one small moment where we could have referenced what I thought happened to Larry Brown, which is he became an actor. There was one small moment where you saw Tod got a paying gig on the soap opera. And I thought that might be the one place where we saw Gbenga, on the TV screen, in the soap opera. It would have been a sweet little callback. Unfortunately, the days we were shooting it, he was on stage. And we totally understood that. For such a small moment, we weren’t going to agonize over it. But we decided that ultimately, he liked acting a lot more than he liked pimping. Sucks that they couldn't work that out, would've been a great cameo (and another tragic wrinkle for Lori's story, to see a man with such a lurid history successfully moving into the mainstream.)
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Oct 29, 2019 13:42
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I was a bit surprised we never saw Eileen's reaction when she got the news about Lori killing herself. And I liked the way they framed the argument between her and her boyfriend. "It's just money!" vs. "It's just loving!" (Of course, if he's gonna wind up in Lehman Brothers' mergers & acquisitions department, she's probably better off without him.)
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Oct 29, 2019 17:58
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Selachian posted:I was a bit surprised we never saw Eileen's reaction when she got the news about Lori killing herself. I think it came through in the cold open where she's talking with the actors and says she's done pushing people to do things they're not cut out for. Gyllenhaal got a quiet, reflective moment in there. It was both surprising and totally in keeping with the show's nature that Lori's death went completely unaddressed.
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Oct 29, 2019 18:10
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the show's music was outta sight, every scene left me wanting more, they both know how to make great tv
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Oct 29, 2019 20:11
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JethroMcB posted:I think it came through in the cold open where she's talking with the actors and says she's done pushing people to do things they're not cut out for. Gyllenhaal got a quiet, reflective moment in there. I was also bummed we didn't get to see any of the characters (explicitly) reacting to Lori's death. At the same time I thought it was such a David Simon thing to do.
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Oct 29, 2019 21:16
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Who was the guy with the goofy shirt who Vince met outside of the theater?
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Oct 30, 2019 00:57
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Well, that's that. Good journey, many memorable characters. I feel like I have an internal David Simon Character Scrapbook that makes me sad when I look back on it. I never liked Abby and I'm glad that Vince (died?) without running into her again.
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Oct 30, 2019 01:30
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Also: No Black Frankie in Vince's pre-descent into Hell walkabout = still alive and thriving in Baltimore in 2019, somehow survived Marlo's reign
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Oct 30, 2019 01:37
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The end sequence was charming if not a little cheesy, but man that old guy makeup was loving horrible.
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Oct 30, 2019 01:42
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didn't catch all of what she said crossing the street, but it sounded like Abby became a shitbag corporate lawyer
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Oct 30, 2019 01:48
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upgunned shitpost posted:didn't catch all of what she said crossing the street, but it sounded like Abby became a shitbag corporate lawyer "Well, whether they agree to it or not, you file the appeal. You get the answer in writing. You have to be careful with this kind of thing. The paper trail is what protects the client. RICHARD, whether the agreed to it or not, you file [the appeal?]"
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Oct 30, 2019 01:53
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Great show all around but that epilogue was so corny and emotionally weightless.
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Oct 30, 2019 02:52
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Kull the Conqueror posted:Great show all around but that epilogue was so corny and emotionally weightless. seemed way too on the nose to me. my blood pressure went up as soon as i saw the "new york may 2019" card because i don't know how you do that right
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Oct 30, 2019 04:06
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upgunned shitpost posted:didn't catch all of what she said crossing the street, but it sounded like Abby became a shitbag corporate lawyer That's funny. I assumed some kind of civil rights or defense attorney. I guess she did look kinda corporate but iunno.
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veni veni veni posted:Who was the guy with the goofy shirt who Vince met outside of the theater? Had to look it up - "Jersey," a character who had been in the pilot and the season 2 preimere. I'm guessing a friend of Frankie's? Been a while since I've seen those. Also noticed in EIleen's obituary that it mentions she continued appearing in porn "sporadically" until '89, which is kind of a bummer. (But it also notes that she's survived by a son, so there's that.)
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