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JethroMcB
Jan 23, 2004

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This one was a roller coaster; the enormous low of Candy and Melissa's "first time" conversation at the start - it starts funny, then it's suddenly not! - followed by so many solid light segments and one-liners ("Then you can make your own fuckin' chicken soup;" "I mean, I can never talk business on this thing - but, poo poo, I had to have it!" Eileen's directorial effort, a Martino family Confirmation.) It got me to the point where I knew we were just being setting up for heavy stuff, and sure enough that was followed by Paul's revelation about not being tested, Bobby's blithe dismissal that he don't got the Bug and never will, and scene after scene of "Frankie, man, what are you doing." Although I expect Rudy to get clipped before Frankie does, especially knowing how things go for the Five Families in the 80's.

Also, between Paul's trip to the shore last season and Gene visiting the club tonight, this show's got a real motif about gay men passing through intense colored lighting to enter the realm of free sex.

And where the gently caress is Larry

JethroMcB fucked around with this message at 03:37 on Sep 17, 2019

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JethroMcB
Jan 23, 2004

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David Morse outta nowhere at the top of the episode got an audible "Heyyyyyy, this'll be good" from me

Jerusalem posted:

It's weird, I had started to get the impression that in spite of their initial impressions in season 1, it was going to end up being Vincent who gets killed/hosed up by the mob etc because Frankie seemed to actually be starting to develop some actual ability, but then this latest episode he tears a mobster a new one in "public" and he's also dealing with coked-up idiots (and is one himself) and child pornographers so now things seem to be see-sawing the other way.

They are twins, "death by mistaken identity" would be kind of a dumb twist but it's still on the table. Also, part of me has always kind of expected a Mitchell brothers ending to their story.

Professor Shark posted:

After this show I've decided that I'm going back to actually finish Treme

That's an idea I can get on board with (and, uh, The Wire for me as well. I still haven't seen seasons 4 or 5, it's inexcusable.)

JethroMcB
Jan 23, 2004

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Yeah, there's the bummer episode I've been expecting all season (doubly so after that "everybody having a good night out on the town and getting laid" sequence.) And there's still half the season to deal with the fallout.

Vince, get back with Zoe Kazan, those 80's feathery bangs are working overtime for her

JethroMcB
Jan 23, 2004

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veni veni veni posted:

Everything Abby related has pretty much been crap from the beginning, but this street artist subplot really takes the cake.

Overall the show has really glossed over the time jumps from a character perspective, but they've been kind to Abby because she's finally at an age that Margarita Levieva can believably play. (The bit of grey in Alston's hair has also done a lot of heavy lifting.)

I mean, a college student, really.

JethroMcB
Jan 23, 2004

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I wasn't looking at the time when Lori bought the gun, I thought for sure Craig was going to take a shot to the gut in a Waffle House parking lot or something. Instead we've just got ourselves a third act Chekov.

JethroMcB
Jan 23, 2004

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Yeah, we don't know that Mike's sick, we just saw him having a moment of clarity. (I'd completely forgotten he was on the DL until then, too.)

Ubiquitous_ posted:

Lori’s mental breakdown was one of the most uncomfortable scenes I’ve seen on the show and it terrified me a little.

I absolutely hate "It was all in their head" reveals...but that one was tightly structured, believable and stunningly effective. Incredible camerawork and a hell of a performance from Emily Meade.

JethroMcB
Jan 23, 2004

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nooneofconsequence posted:

He wasn't looking too good, though.

"I gotta go." :(

I knew the show was going to go out on a down note, but man, I didn't expect it to be this down. Mike's sick, Eileen seemingly gave up on her son, Lori's on a path of self destruction and Vincent just lost the one guy still looking out for him (Though part of me suspects that Vince is going to be saved by Gotti's escalation of gang violence; he'll be forgotten as the inter-familial squabbles kick into high gear/the people gunning for him go down first.)

Melissa/Margaret being back in town so soon wasn't much of a surprise, that played out about how I anticipated. Though she's maybe got a way out of the life now with Reg (:() pointing her towards work in the theater scene.

JethroMcB
Jan 23, 2004

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gently caress :(

Finale is gonna somehow be even more of an absolute bummer

JethroMcB
Jan 23, 2004

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Suxpool posted:

holy poo poo i really didn't see that coming with lori. even when she grabbed the gun and put it to her head i didn't think for a second she was gonna use it until the moment she did

When she told the guy her real name, I got a bad feeling. When she neatly squared up Eileen's Visa with the cash on the dresser, I knew what was coming. I still can't believe it happened.

JethroMcB
Jan 23, 2004

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Very good interview over at Rolling Stone this morning about this week's episode with a few surprising revelations (Pelecanos and Simon seemingly always knew Lori was going to commit suicide, and Emily Meade knew from the time she took the role that it would have a "tragic" ending. She also had the option of taking a role with a "happy" ending, making me wonder if that was Darlene...or if Ashley wasn't originally meant to come back/be murdered in Season 2.)

JethroMcB
Jan 23, 2004

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the great deceiver posted:

i interpreted that as she wanted to go out sober

In the Rolling Stone interview, Emily Meade said she played it partly as Lori thinking along the lines of "Why bother, I've done this, I've done a trick, nothing's working for me anymore," and partly through sheer commitment in that moment; she didn't want the possibility of even a fleeting high changing her mind.

JethroMcB
Jan 23, 2004

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Looten Plunder posted:

Is this story gonna end well for anyone?

Melissa's got that job doing costuming on Crocodile Dundee, that's something
Loretta seems to have found a stable relationship
There's a chance that Paul will find out he's clean; I could see him embracing his role as a gay community leader, politicking, helping organize some kind of memorial project

Beyond those few, no, probably not.

JethroMcB
Jan 23, 2004

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upgunned shitpost posted:

leon gets his first michelin star in '89

I'm anticipating a final montage showing everybody persevering or moving on, where we'll get a shot of Leon signing paperwork and shaking hands with guys in suits wearing Mickey Mouse ears and Golden Arches lapel pins

JethroMcB
Jan 23, 2004

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When the title card read 2019, I said "gently caress you;" the obituary thing was a little on-the-nose, but Vince walking past all the ghosts won me over. Good-rear end ending to a great series.

withak posted:

Good ending IMO.

Edit: Also, was that a The Wire reference when Black Frankie said he was going to Baltimore? It seemed very specific.

Nathan Barksdale is the real-life Baltimore drug dealer that provided David Simon a lot of inspiration for The Wire's characters (Like...the guys named "Barksdale.") I mostly read it as "Oh, Frankie's going to go get killed over some street-level dealer's squabble; Frankie's gonna be a guy Omar guns down."

JethroMcB
Jan 23, 2004

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Another post-mortem interview with David Simon over at Rolling Stone (with a second part coming tomorrow.) He addresses what happened to Larry:

quote:

I thought of one small moment where we could have referenced what I thought happened to Larry Brown, which is he became an actor. There was one small moment where you saw Tod got a paying gig on the soap opera. And I thought that might be the one place where we saw Gbenga, on the TV screen, in the soap opera. It would have been a sweet little callback. Unfortunately, the days we were shooting it, he was on stage. And we totally understood that. For such a small moment, we weren’t going to agonize over it. But we decided that ultimately, he liked acting a lot more than he liked pimping.

Sucks that they couldn't work that out, would've been a great cameo (and another tragic wrinkle for Lori's story, to see a man with such a lurid history successfully moving into the mainstream.)

JethroMcB
Jan 23, 2004

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Selachian posted:

I was a bit surprised we never saw Eileen's reaction when she got the news about Lori killing herself.

I think it came through in the cold open where she's talking with the actors and says she's done pushing people to do things they're not cut out for. Gyllenhaal got a quiet, reflective moment in there.

It was both surprising and totally in keeping with the show's nature that Lori's death went completely unaddressed.

JethroMcB
Jan 23, 2004

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veni veni veni posted:

Who was the guy with the goofy shirt who Vince met outside of the theater?

Had to look it up - "Jersey," a character who had been in the pilot and the season 2 preimere. I'm guessing a friend of Frankie's? Been a while since I've seen those.

Also noticed in EIleen's obituary that it mentions she continued appearing in porn "sporadically" until '89, which is kind of a bummer. (But it also notes that she's survived by a son, so there's that.)

JethroMcB
Jan 23, 2004

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The modern Times Square location shots in the epilogue did exactly what they needed to do, which was really drive home the transformation around 42nd. Even though all we ever saw of the "old" Deuce was that one stretch up in Washington Heights with some heavy production design applied, those ground-level shots of Old Vince walking past tourist traps, chain stores and vibrant crowds were effective; juxtaposing the rough-hewn characters we knew with the bright, pristine wonderland that decades of real estate scheming and political glad-handing made real.

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JethroMcB
Jan 23, 2004

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Binary Badger posted:

Also literally didn't notice that Vince was casually paging through porn offerings on his hotel TV, and yes it was a stark comment on how commoditized / ingrained into modern culture porn has become.

I noticed it, and chuckled at it ("Heh, that's what the show's been about") - but because having dirty movies on-demand at all times in hotels has been pretty much par for the course since I've been a kid, the real weight of the irony didn't hit me in the moment.

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