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One early episode of Jack Ryan begins with a Syrian father out in the boonies teaching his son to wash up, to pray, to take care of his grandfather, and then they share a tender moment as he drives away on a motorcycle As the man gets a few miles out from the city, the motorcycle is then blown up in an instant, and we're made to understand that he was killed by drone strike. The drone operator is slipped a one dollar bill by his partner for a "good shoot", and he folds it reluctantly. The operator is clearly suffering some kind of emotional trauma from this work, and we see one wall of his apartment covered in individual one dollar bills, numbering what must be in the hundreds. He takes all of them down and heads to the local casino to spend it all ... except he ends up winning bTig at the roulette table, and that makes him feel even worse Some lady at the same table starts hitting on him, and they eventually hook up, except it turns out she's married, and he gets beaten up by her husband when they're discovered And that's the context in which he shows up to the drone facility the next day with a black eye and fat lip, at which point, his partner "jokes" about him getting beat up by a "tranny" that he must have tried to pick up. he whole point of this mini-arc is supposed to make us feel like A. drone pilots suffer from PTSD also, and B. the Syrian child we saw at the beginning of the episode is now without a father, and THAT'S SAD But it's never questioned whether America should be doing any of this in the first place. ___ Much later on in the season, the wife of the Syrian Bad Guy runs away from their estate after discovering that he's been working with and training Islamist radicals. She takes the kids with her, and enlists the help of a sympathetic uncle. They get discovered by the husband's goons, the uncle is killed trying to help them escape, and then the wife is assaulted, and is heavily implied that she's about to be raped. This is when the camera pans out to inform the viewer that they've been watched by that same drone operator we met earlier this entire time. The operator makes a snap decision to fire a missile without getting prior authorization, and manages to target the Hellfire missile in such a way that the Islamist militiaman assaulting the wife is the only one hit and killed by the missile, without significantly harming the woman. The woman escapes the dead man's clutches, runs over to her children, and continues the journey. The operator sees all this, and it's heavily implied by the look on his face and the swelling music that this was a redemptive moment for him. He did something good, for once.
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Serf posted:also jack ryan is the most mary sue rear end character ever. he's a former marine and lone survivor type who got out, became a doctor of computers or money or some poo poo, went to wall street but quit because he's too "moral" and then joined the loving cia. and despite being some goober who sits behind a computer and tracks financial transactions he's totally buff and will kick "terrorist" rear end. every time someone calls him "doctor ryan" i can't help but laugh it's worth noting that this isn't a conjuration of the show itself - that's all on Tom Clancy's original formulation of the character
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vyelkin posted:based on the harrison ford movies I think in the books he was a war college history professor/cia analyst, so of course when they updated it with jim from the office they made him now be an economist finances computer dork lmao he was always a finances guy even in the books: he graduated with a BA in economics with a minor in history and passes the CPA exam then he becomes a Marine officer then his helicopter crashes in Crete* during a NATO exercise during his first deployment, this breaks his back, and the disability provides a convenient in-universe excuse for leaving the Marines then he goes to work for Merill Lynch in Baltimore, where he makes most of the money that's the diegetic set up for a comfortable lifestyle after earning about 8 million dollars in the stock market, he goes off an earns a doctorate in history at Georgetown. This is the part where he writes a book about William Halsey, which comes up in Hunt for the Red October as he's talking to Marko Ramius. This is also the part that the Amazon series edits, where instead Ryan does an economics PhD and then he joins the CIA ___ * in the 2014 movie Jack Ryan: Shadow Recruit, with Chris Pine playing Ryan, the plot set-up is that Ryan is a university student in London when 9/11 hits, and he joins the military right after, and then the crash is from his chopper getting RPG'd in Afghanistan. This movie also makes his stock market work part of his role in the CIA: he's assigned to look for fraudulent transactions that might be funding terrorist groups. That part I thought was especially laughable given how much money we already know does that.
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Sep 11, 2019 13:57
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Zeroisanumber posted:Originally he was a Navy analyst sub nerd who got roped into events during The Hunt for Red October because he figured out that the Soviets had created a mostly silent drive for their sub and that the crew was planning to defect. It was Tom Clancy's first and only good book. * Ryan solves the I/P conflict by dividing Jerusalem into three and having The Swiss Guards enforce it. * The sex offender VP he replaces was named Ed Kealty, in a not-so-subtle dig at Ted Kennedy and Chappaquiddick Actually, that in itself is a weird splitting-the-difference that Clancy does: Ryan is nominally a Democrat, except his politics are of course very Republican, up to and including Clancy using Ryan's eye-doctor wife to deliver a speech on the evils of socialized medicine. It's like the mirror image of The Newsroom's Will McAvoy identifying as a Republican, but one of those good, decent Republicans that aren't afraid to call out Tea Partiers as "The American Taliban" gradenko_2000 has issued a correction as of 14:14 on Sep 11, 2019 |
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I'm sorry. Did you just say there's a war with JAPAN in the Clancyverse? okay, so there's like this Japanese industrialist whose parents died in the American invasion of Saipan in WW2. He vows revenge on the US and uses his wealth to secretly buy ICBMs from the former Soviet Union and install them in silos. He engineers a takeover of the Japanese government and installs a new "zaibatsu" with him as its head. a new Pearl Harbor happens when Japanese submarines in military exercises with the Navy "accidentally" fire live torpedoes into carriers to cripple them, and this is combined with a Japanese programmer that sabotages the stock market, but then the Japanese immediately sue for peace and call for "free and fair" elections in Guam and the Marianas to try and forestall whatever American counter-attack might happen there's a lot of poo poo that happens of course, but the "cutting edge" part of the books is that this is where Clancy shows off the F-22 and the RAH-66 Comanche, and the Japanese AWACS planes are destroyed by John Clark and Ding Chavez shining bright blinding lights into the cockpits of the planes as they're on final approach, causing the pilots to lose control and crash the planes in the final seconds before landing anyway, there's a Japanese airline pilot with three sons, one flying an AWACS, another flying an F-15, and a third the captain of an Aegis cruiser, and it's after he hears that all three of them have perished fighting the Americans that he decides to crash his 747 into Congress. Debt of Honor was released in 1994, so there wasn't a whole lot of existential threats to the US as it was being written Zeroisanumber posted:I think it's a trilogy. I tried reading the first one but it was real rear end. Kind of. In Debt of Honor, you get some scenes describing that the Indian Prime Minister and the Chinese Premier are all supporting Japan's efforts to attack the US in Executive Decisions, which follows DoH, the Indians try to interdict a Marine Quick Reaction Force on the way to try and stop the "United Islamic Republic", which is what happens when "the mullahs" assassinate Saddam and Iran takes over Iraq and forms an Arab super-state and then, in The Bear and the Dragon, it's China's turn to take on the US
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I also want to throw out there that Office Jim's other other action movie was 13 Hours: Secret Soldiers of Benghazi
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Sep 11, 2019 14:55
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The really impressive thing about the Clancyverse is its insane pre-9/11 idea that no matter what happens, America will just keep going back to normal. The Japanese could sabotage the stock market and blow up congress, but at the end of the day America just keeps going on like it always has. Denver gets mini-nuked in The Sum of All Fears, the Hill gets 9/11'd in Debt of Honor, the Iranians unleash an ebola outbreak in Executive Decisions, Washington DC narrowly avoids getting nuked in The Bear and the Dragon, and by the time we pick up the story in Teeth of the Tiger, the physician that distributes succinylcholine injection guns to Jack Ryan's son to help him run his black-than-black-op intel service tells us he joined this assassination outfit because he "had a brother working in Cantor Fitzgerald on the 102nd floor of the North Tower"
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Sep 11, 2019 15:04
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_wLPcH1_WA
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Serf posted:this show is disgusting suffer, like G(radenko) did!
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Sep 12, 2019 13:34
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also James Greer is Muslim this time around, because He's One of the Good Ones
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Sep 12, 2019 15:28
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Trumps Baby Hands posted:A Quiet Place was really, really good it's pro-life propaganda, OP
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Sep 13, 2019 08:57
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Farm Frenzy posted:lets talk about rainbow six patriots, a game so overloaded with obama era lib nonsense that it got cancelled on the one hand, R6 was shooting cops on the other hand, R6 stopped the dudes taking revenge for the Great Recession land of contrasts
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Sep 13, 2019 10:12
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I mostly quit playing Call of Duty after the original Modern Warfare. I love how the plot in Black Ops 2 involves a globe spanning conspiracy by a Nicaraguan drug lord to form a private army to destroy the United States. And it reaches all the way to the Mujahideen? also China
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Sep 17, 2019 04:15
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:it’s one thing to have an abstract idea of nuking China, and another thing to actually see the kind of absolute deprivation people were reduced to by the US firebombing campaign on Korea. something that I've found frustrating since my turn leftward has been how unassailable the consensus is that it was North Korea that "invaded" during that conflict
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Sarah Silverman, Who Did Blackface, Doesn’t Think You Should ‘Cancel’ Peoplequote:With these incidents in mind, the comments she made Monday to the Los Angeles Times about the 2019 climate surrounding comedy didn't come as a huge shock. She told the publication, "I also think it’s interesting what’s happened on the left. It’s almost like there’s a mutated McCarthy era, where any comic better watch anything they say." She brings up criticism of Dave Chappelle's latest special as an example of this mutated McCarthy era. (During the actual McCarthy era, hundreds were imprisoned and thousands lost their jobs as a result of investigations carried out by the House Un-American Activities Committee. Chappelle is a highly successful comedian with lucrative Netflix specials and sold-out tours, who is receiving the John F. Kennedy Center's Mark Twain Prize for American Humor in October.)
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On the subject of "technical inaccuracies", one of Clancy's claims to fame was that he'd always drop some hot new tech in each book: The Hunt for Red October alluded to the silence of the magnetohydrodynamic drive, but Clancy liked to brag that he was interviewed by government agents on how accurately he got the Los Angeles class's sonar systems, and then when he asked which parts he got right, he got told that that was classified. Red Storm Rising predicted the F-117 stealth fighter in the fictitious "F-19". In Clancy's book, it was described as being sleek and curved, which doesn't match the angular design of the F-117, but sleek and curved was what the B-2 Spirit ended up being. RSR also "predicted" the shortage of smart bombs in the event of a shooting war, i.e. Desert Storm. I already mentioned that Debt of Honor had the F-22 Raptor and the RAH-66 Commanche, as well as Congress getting 9/11'd. Which brings us to Rainbow Six. In the final part of the book, when The Troops hunt down the pharma CEO in his super-secret base in Brazil from where he plans to repopulate the world after unleashing super-Ebola (I swear I am not kidding, that's the plot), they use a new device: the heartbeat sensor. It's supposed to be able to detect "low frequency electric field" given off by a beating human heart, to a distance of 30 feet, even through concrete walls. No such technology ever materialized, and whoever pitched the idea to Clancy as a potential new breakthrough in tech in the coming years was probably just making it up.
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Sep 25, 2019 08:13
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Captain America: Winter Soldier might inspire some people to join the alphabet agencies 
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I branched off into David Talbot's "Brothers: The Hidden History of the Kennedy Years" after the Epstein thread got me to read Talbot's history of Allen Dulles (which is incredibly dark and infuriating). One of the accounts in the book was of the painter William Walton traveling to Leningrad and Moscow in the week after JFK's assassination to continue an outreach project to Russian artists, but also to engage in back-channel talks with Soviet diplomats. What stood out to me in this story is that Walton supposedly was confronted time and time again of the Soviets fearing that JFK's assassination was part of a take-over of the US by "a reactionary clique", and/or that the people behind the assassination were "nationalist hardliners". It struck me because those kinds of phrases, especially the latter one, are the kinds of things that media/fiction usually attributes to what happens in the USSR/post-Soviet Russia, usually as a set-up to some kind of armed conflict. And further, when you get to more pop/mainstream accounts of Presidential administrations, there's always this looming spectre of "America's enemies might strike at her in-between Presidents, when the new team hasn't been brought up to speed yet", when Soviet accounts of Walton's visit instead had them waiting with bated breath for what LBJ might do instead, fearing that he'd be more aggressive towards them and that this would be the end of detente. Maybe it is all just projection from the right.
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Sep 26, 2019 11:32
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The Hunchback of Notre Dame could be a legit great movie if they'd just cut out the gargoyles. There's a fan cut of that on youtube and it's like a completely different movie without all the anachronistic comedy relief. same but for the two black caricature robots in Transformers
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Sep 27, 2019 07:03
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watched Hustler tonight and its a pretty CSPAM movie, would recommend miles better than Ad Astra, which had nothing to say
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Sep 28, 2019 19:35
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Do you mean Hustlers, the J-Lo movie? yes
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Serf posted:i remember reading the ultimates back in the day and lol at their cap that line still cracks me up everytime. just pure Bush-era patriotism
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Captain America would support
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Serf posted:the best bit imo was when they're like "you got a bunch of people killed with that whole ultron thing you dumbasses" because superhero movies love to gloss over the thousands of dead and injured people that would be left behind by those battles. my favorite pendulum swinging on this is Batman v Superman where they just happen to keep fighting in places that are explicitly mentioned as being totally abandoned
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WampaLord posted:Yes he correctly calls out Stark but that doesn't excuse becoming an alien weapons dealer and killing people. he killed like one dude, and only because they needed to make the explicit statement that This Is Supposed To Be The Bad Guy because the writers are dogshit for repeatedly having sympathetic villains Killmonger Did Nothing Wrong
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coathat posted:The small business owner criminal working class hero what does being a "criminal" have to do with it? of course people have to operate outside the bounds of the law
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on the one hand, Joker shows us protesters carrying "kill the rich" signs, so I'm rather inclined to think that the director isn't actually sympathetic to the left and is beating us over the head that this message is supposed to be extremist on the other hand these people totally loving deserved it. If you're going to implement austerity, you had better be prepared to have enough police to kill every dissident.
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That's been going on for a while - "2012" had the Chinese saving the world because they were the only ones who could build the arks
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I kinda smiled at the idea of turning Wayne Manor into a gigantic halfway house
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get that OUT of my face posted:i haven't watched any of the MCU movies, and i've noticed that nobody really mentions any standout moments or lines in them aside from Thanos memes. that's a big sign of mediocrity. it's telling that the only Marvel movie people have regularly referred to a month after it left theaters was Black Panther, and only because it's Hotep Potter my favorite MCU quote is "Killmonger was right"
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KomradeX posted:Didn't they embrace the Bond is a psychopath with these Craig Bond movies? yes
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Oct 14, 2019 15:52
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the real good spy series is Burn Notice, which constantly depicts the CIA as a bunch of bloodthirsty psychopaths will sell you out at the first opportunity and are never to be trusted
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Taintrunner posted:righteous gemstones is the best show of the year hands down the Adam Sandler vehicle?
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calling it a riot rather obscures who was doing what, and what they were doing it was the 1921 Bombing of Black Wall Street
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Oct 22, 2019 15:55
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Chilean protesters donning Joker make-up, while simultaneously not getting paid any attention to in the media, at least to me, says that people did get the correct message out of that movie. And that it wasn't the message that all the pearl-clutching shitlibs thought it was going to be.
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https://twitter.com/MCU_Direct/status/1186360262347182080 wasn't part of the point of the MCU the experiment and succeeding realization that you could just divest the actor from the role and audiences wouldn't care?
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Percelus posted:renner was having sex and doing blow with minors he can team up with Rob Lowe and form the Pedo Cinematic Universe
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Barry Convex posted:Apple TV's flagship sounds full of succ quote:In the world of “The Morning Show,” this clip — caught on camera without Bradley’s knowledge — goes viral and sets into motion a string of events that rapidly culminates in her hiring as the cohost of a “Today”-style talk show. oh for gently caress's sake it's the same set-up they used in Newsroom where someone gets "caught" in an excessively frank "telling it like it is" moment that goes viral EDIT: also what the gently caress is a politics set somewhere between Sinclair and David Duke supposed to be? That still puts you squarely in the conservative camp, right around the point of W Bush and Reagan gradenko_2000 has issued a correction as of 14:56 on Oct 28, 2019 |
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