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docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

Some Guy TT posted:

i miss the days when superhero movies were self consciously stupid and all the people involved realized there was nothing they could do to change that so they just hammed it up at every opportunity

This is one reason why Legends of Tomorrow has been such a breath of fresh air.

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docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

The post-9/11 mood was like an ambient bloodlust. We were ready to kill anyone.

I've been watching through Person of Interest again, and it's basically a show about (a) how the entire nation went completely batshit insane after 9/11 and (b) how the government/military/intelligence community is, however well-intentioned, completely rotten to the core. I haven't seen Jack Ryan (or read any Clancy) but just from how it's described here PoI feels like the complete antithesis.

It's a show where the ex-military/CIA agent Jack Ryan figure has had basically everything decent beaten out of him to the point where he can barely function as a human being any more and where the supergenius tech billionaire hacker's hubris and callousness effectively doomed the world before he started trying to save it (and he knows it). It's a show where 99% of the police are openly part of a corrupt criminal conspiracy and the few good cops (it's fiction) are the ones who are either ground beneath the system or who choose to actively work outside it. (And the intelligence community are full-on sociopaths, including the occasional good guys, with one of the protagonists having a literal personality disorder to that effect.) It's a show where most terrorists (for all that the show is sometimes a bit lazy about presenting Arab/muslim terrorists) are being used by either the American intelligence community or by evil corporate interests to further their own ends, and it's a show where the thing that makes our vigilante heroes able to function at all is because of a completely monstrous illegal surveillance system (to say nothing of the terrifying artificial superintelligence that controls it, and that's the *good* AI in the show).

It's by no means perfect (and is more anti-authoritarian than socialist in its themes, which isn't a problem for me though it may be for some), but it's got better sensibilities than basically any other mainstream crime/superhero show I've ever seen with the possible exception of Leverage.

I'd really, really like to have seen what they'd have done with the Trump era. (The show ended in 2015).

Shame about Jim Caviezel's personal politics.

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

Serf posted:

oh yeah there's also a scene where a french intelligence agent tells jack ryan that muslims in france become radicalized because in america someone can be african-american or chinese-american, but muslims will never be french. the implication being that america is better because we don't have racism, i guess?

ten loving minutes later she asks ryan "how can you possibly work for your government, knowing what they've done?" and dopey rear end ryan is like "i think i can change things from the inside."

Whereas the Person of Interest episode I watched yesterday on the bus home ended with Reese telling a dude who was in the Navy who had all the aptitudes to probably be recruited by the CIA to tell them to go gently caress themselves if they ever came calling.

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

Man Musk posted:

Justice League and Suicide Squad were failures at WB's attempt to create a DC cinematic universe

DC's "Arrowverse" TV line is arguably a more successful shared universe than their film line is and I can't decide if that's in spite of their not being able to use the big name characters regularly or because of it.

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

CharlestheHammer posted:

I think it’s because they don’t really care about those shows and aren’t desperate to catch up with Marvel.

I think this is exactly it. There's no way in hell they'd let Legends of Tomorrow get away with half the stuff they pull if they actually gave a poo poo.

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

gradenko_2000 posted:

the real good spy series is Burn Notice, which constantly depicts the CIA as a bunch of bloodthirsty psychopaths will sell you out at the first opportunity and are never to be trusted

This, but Person of Interest.

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

MizPiz posted:

Blackadder Goes Forth is footage of actual conversations and events from WWI but with a laugh track

As WW1 Gutpunch dramas go, the last episode is right up there with All Quiet On The Western Front

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

Well, thanks to the last three hundred posts in this thread I now have doubled my total number of Star Wars Deeply Held Truths from one to two:

1: The first movie (which is not the fourth movie) is called "Star Wars", not "A New Hope"

2: Star Wars is a prequel to Battlestar Galactica, where the robot slaves finally rebel and start murdering the poo poo out of the humans

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

foobardog posted:

Just loving adapt Red Son

Supergirl already did, kind of.

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

Three and a bit episodes into the new Expanse season and I am officially a bit bored of protomolecule poo poo but am there for space politics and space East India Company and I would honestly watch a show that was just Ashford and Drummer discussing the space issues of the space day.

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

A Fire Upon The Deep, maybe.

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

Anyway, in answer to the original question, yes, Battlestar Galactica is well worth a watch, at least the first two seasons. gently caress da haters.

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

Serf posted:

its half of a complete story, so its hard to say. personally, i agree with you but it seems the show will not be vindicating that belief

Her "Hey, Holden, sort this protomolecule poo poo out and OTHERWISE DO NOT GET INVOLVED IN THIS DISPUTE WITH THE BELTERS" policy was at best a mixed success, as anyone who has spent more than 30 seconds in Holden's presence could have predicted.

Her "maybe we should think twice before grabbing up every loving planet through the magic space gates that we know nothing about" policy is probably correct, even if she is still an Earther, and thus cannot look at a thing without trying to figure out who owns it, how to make it her possession, rather than sharing to make her bowl more plentiful.

Her "completely fail to notice that Mars is up to top secret shenanigans because you're too busy trying to win an election and alienating everyone who even remotely likes you in the process" was a resounding success though!

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

Serf posted:

think about the social works program that could be spun up out of training, equipping, and sending billions of unemployed and hopeless earthers to all those worlds. it could be the biggest project in human history

Also, maybe, leaning on the expertise of the people who've lived in space for generations instead of saying ALL THESE WORLDS ARE MINE MINE MINE.

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

I summoned the ghost of Cecil B DeMille and just wait til you hear what he had to say about Star Wars

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

I haven't watched a star war since the bad one about Anakin Podracer getting his toggle switch set to EVIL

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

Four episodes into The New Adventures Of Gerald The Witchyman and I'm enjoying it but I suspect it's completely impenetrable to anyone not already familiar with the source material.

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011


Warner Bros announced today that they are pulling their AI-driven film management system offline after it consistently refused to distribute any films other than Birth Of A Nation and Song Of The South.

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

The Witcher TV series is the best Raymond Chandler screen adaptation there's ever been, in that Geralt is a good-but-abrasive person in a world that is not kind to good people, and in that its overall plotting is a mess but who cares.

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

KozmoNaut posted:

Has anyone made a properly realistic WW1 movie, with all the hopelessness and and horror of prolonged trench warfare faithfully portrayed? Would people watch it, or would it be too much?

Yes but it was a British comedy series from the 80s.

(The last episode of Blackadder Goes Forth is a surprisingly grim and poignant look at the realities of "oh poo poo, these people who've been having wacky dumb hijinks in the middle of a brutal war are actually for real going to die for no goddamn reason".)

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

Serf posted:

at first i saw that it was "discworld-inspired" but now apparently this is a literal discworld adaptation and it looks like dogshit lol

Yeah, I mean I'll watch any old poo poo (and I love the Discworld Watch books) but that, um, does not look promising

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

Some Guy TT posted:

digging how all the replies are pointing out that gerault is in a union and haggles for better pay and does all sorts of poo poo that would be a contract violation in a silicon valley startup

Me, A Cool Guy: "Instead of tipping you, I offer you the LAW OF SURPRISE, that which I have but do not know I have"

Doordash Worker: "Now look"

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

"Hello, Doordash? I can't find the Law of Surprise checkbox on your app and-"

Doordash Worker: "I AM NOT TAKING YOUR GRANDDAUGHTER, OKAY?!?"

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

RandolphCarter posted:

lower decks is good

It is both good Star Trek and pretty funny, which are two things I was not initially expecting when a comedic animated Star Trek series was first announced.

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

loquacius posted:

They own the Simpsons, just have Kang step aside for his even ruffer and tuffer partner Kodos

(I don't know or care who Kang is)

They should replace him with Arnold Moss, the guy who played Kodos the Executioner in Star Trek.

There is a slight hitch in that he died in 1989 but these are just the challenges any modern production has to work around.

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

I don't really watch movies that much.

Was Across The Spider Verse this year? I liked that.

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

So is For All Mankind like an Expanse prequel or something?

(I know the broad series premise, just asking if it works out to being that}

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

Nichael posted:

:actually: it's in 2003 at the moment, and WWIII doesn't happen in ST until like the 2020s or 2030s

It was originally the 1990s but time travelers keep loving up the timeline and pushing it back.

Also Carol Kane is an immortal alien (and in the show)

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

I remember some terfs tried to claim Pratchett would have been one of them sometime after his death (which is pretty clearly nonsense if you've read basically anything he ever wrote) and his daughter went on an absolute tear telling them off.

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

Nix Panicus posted:

Night Watch is my absolute favorite Pratchett book

It's so loving good

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

Everyone in cspam* should be required to watch and pass a short quiz on every episode of the Moffat West Wing

*except me

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

the Jack Osborne Portals To Hell show continues to intrigue me. what is the exact criteria for what makes a location a portal over just a haunted house? 1 season in and it seems pretty arbitrary.

they have this bluetooth speaker with RGB lights that they talk to in order to talk to ghosts (it produces garbled nonsense noises they pretend to hear things from) and an adult woman after talking to it for less than 5 seconds was like "that is my grandfather's voice, i know it is him". people who believe in ghosts are awesome.

I assume this is basically like backmasking, where if you're told there's a pattern hidden within the random noise you'll probably think you hear it.

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

ghosts seem to be about as powerful as my cats

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

which are, tbf, pretty powerful

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

I need to do a full-on Discworld reread sometime. Maybe that will be my reading project this year. It's been way too long for some of those books. I also haven't read some of his later books because I found his post-Alzheimers decline to be a bit too heartbreaking, but I could probably steel myself against it now.

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

loquacius posted:

I can't speak to the very last books but my favorite one, Going Postal, was released in 2004, so there is absolutely some gold there

I slept on this series for too long and am enjoying my readthrough even if it is a capital-P Project. Reaper Man came out directly after what have so far been my least-favorite books (Eric and Moving Pictures) so it's possible he just went through a doldrums period between Guards! Guards! and Small Gods.

I think this was right around the period before he settled into a groove of writing around the same groups of characters (the Watch, the Lancre Witches, the University) for most books, yeah.

Vimes is a cop but he's also a noir protagonist, so basically the lone decent person in a sea of corruption, which is an archetype I will always have time for in fiction. "Con man being backed into doing good things under duress" is one I also enjoy, so of course I like Moist. (My girlfriend does not, and I have made peace with this.)

I liked Going Postal a lot, didn't really care for Making Money though (and I don't think I've read whatever the third one in that cycle is).

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

My last year of college, I was sharing a house with a few other folks, and I was reading Soul Music at the time and left it sitting out, as one does. Which lead to an uncomfortably earnest conversation with one of my housemates about why was I reading a book with a demon on the cover and that's when I decided that living situation was maybe not for me any more.

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

loquacius posted:

Rincewind is the only wizard who has an excuse not to do magic, and obviously I'm a fan. It's more when other wizards show up and continue to not do magic that I get annoyed.

I've only read one Witches book so far but it's a breath of fresh air that the witches actually do magic sometimes

The difference in attitude between the witches (especially Granny) and the wizards toward the magic they mostly don't do is pretty fun too.

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

Guards! Guards! is the first one I ever read, yeah. I would say either that or Wyrd Sisters would be my recommendations as starting points, though really the vast majority of the books stand on their own. This gets less true for the later ones but really the only one I can think of that I'd recommend NOT starting with is Night Watch (which is otherwise probably my favorite thing Pratchett's written), because it really hits hardest if you already know the major characters.

The first few books are not really representative of the series as a whole, either.

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docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

theflyingexecutive posted:

the show really loves reminding us that the kgb is evil but then also show us a scene where the head of the cia pops a stiffy at the idea of activating his martian Pinkerton sleeper agents to put down the strike

I semi-recently watched through The Americans and was struck by how both the KGB and FBI were mostly presented as neither saints nor devils, just people doing a sometimes-messy job, but the CIA (on the rare occasions they turned up) were mustache-twirling evil

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