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If a hotel says "We have internet access for customers", that is so vague that it cannot be relied on. So please find out exactly what they have and exactly what it will do. If they have an ethernet, do they have a firewall? Does it permit SSH connections? What parameters does the user need to specify in order to talk with it? Please check those things directly, or ask the people who actually run the network. If you talk with someone who doesn't understand what "SSH connection" means, or if he doesn't understand the difference between "Internet" and "web browsing", that person is not competent to give reliable information.
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Gazpacho posted:If a hotel says "We have internet access for customers", that is so I mean, I really really do wish places would note if they offered ethernet or just lovely wifi? 
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Coffee Jones posted:There's two thousand posts on Orange Site arguing over how RMS's comments weren't beyond the pale and don't justify his dismissal, but anybody in RMS's position has a duty to his organization, duty to his backers, a duty to his mission. It's not cut and dried and a lot of it subject to the politics of the organization. yeah, tit’s definitely true that this is typical behavior for rms (even understandable in a way — from anyone else, we might just say he was stretching to try to defend an old friend’s memory; i think lessig has been doing some of the same) that came out in a particularly bad time when the lab was desperately concerned about its reputation it’s also true that some of the people at the lab who’ve specifically been covering for rms are gone now
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rotor posted:just popping in to remind everyone that while yes rms is awful esr is one billion times worse the thing is that we can’t cancel esr because he literally has no position or status to cancel him from. he’s just a dude with a blog who’s made some widely-ignored forks of other projects
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Father Jack posted:it's often been a lot more than abrasive though, it's been outright abuse and telling people to kill themselves. so being prejudiced or hateful towards a particular class of people is no worse than just being a jerk overall?
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Coffee Jones posted:... anybody in RMS's position has a duty to his organization, duty to his backers, a duty to his mission. It's not cut and dried and a lot of it subject to the politics of the organization. Goddamn that’s a good summary of the situation.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:so being prejudiced or hateful towards a particular class of people is no worse than just being a jerk overall? if the behaviour towards a given person is the same, i'm honestly not sure. if you're a woman who feels they can't be part of a project anymore because you've been bullied and abused, do you feel any better because some men have had the same experience?
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:so being prejudiced or hateful towards a particular class of people is no worse than just being a jerk overall?
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i get the impulse towards 'oh, well, at least they didn't do it because they're racist/sexist/homophobic/transphobic', but i'm just not sure that being a poo poo to everyone for bad reasons is better than being a poo poo to a specific set of people for bad reasons
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being a general jerk has, historically, been much more likely to have consequences but when the person is insulated from those consequences then hoo boy
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i think that to address the question of "just a jerk vs. picking on a minority" properly would require laying a lot of historical and sociological and philosophical groundwork until we all agreed on what we are even talking about, and thus it is perhaps beyond the scope of an "eww rms" thread on the funy computer forum
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Sep 18, 2019 17:12
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why if I have good reasons for being a dick?
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gonadic io fucked around with this message at 17:20 on Sep 18, 2019 |
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The Management posted:why if I have good reasons for being a dick? Try not to be a dick.
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A looming billboard along the highway: “You’re cancelled — God”
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imagine if we collectively spent as much time trying to make healthy workplaces/groups/spaces/whatever as we do trying to actively apologize for and excuse away lovely behavior the relative priorities of people on e.g. orange site and/or the nerd community in general is laughably out of touch with anything that matters, and it's sad
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Gazpacho posted:If a hotel says "We have internet access for customers", that is so this was legit a major issue for a long time. these days the norm is for hotel wifi to be slow but otherwise functional, but for a long time it wasn't even a given that you'd be able to use https
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Gazpacho posted:A looming billboard along the highway: “You’re cancelled — God” 
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is this real
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Lain Iwakura posted:is this real it is one of the foundational beliefs of conservative boomerism
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Lutha Mahtin posted:i think that to address the question of "just a jerk vs. picking on a minority" properly would require laying a lot of historical and sociological and philosophical groundwork until we all agreed on what we are even talking about, and thus it is perhaps beyond the scope of an "eww rms" thread on the funy computer forum perhaps. but i will maintain my original point that torvalds was not just 'abrasive' but habitually and unapologetically abusive to a ridiculous degree. he got away with it for a long time because people buy into this idea that if you have a degree of fame or achievement social norms don't apply to you, and you can treat your subordinants as you please The Management posted:why if I have good reasons for being a dick? are you posting this to mock torvalds, rms, or jobs?
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Lutha Mahtin posted:it is one of the foundational beliefs of conservative boomerism https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1173907189234327553?s=21 welp
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imagine all the jobs we could free up if we actually canceled every dumbass boomer
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psiox posted:imagine all the jobs we could free up if we actually canceled every dumbass boomer Bring back mandatory retirement at 70, imo?
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Schadenboner posted:I mean, I really really do wish places would note if they offered ethernet or just lovely wifi? this is a legitimate concern and ive been in hotels that had ethernet listed on their site (had) and were quite proud to say it was disconnected because they use wifi now
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lol techbarons finally reveal theyre against cancel culture because its a fly in their eternal life fantasy soup
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Schadenboner posted:Bring back mandatory retirement at 70, imo? with mandatory retirement at 65 stallman would have been out last year
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fritz posted:with mandatory retirement at 65 stallman would have been out last year I guess the real problem is sort of the 30 years of behavior prior to that, though?
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Hexyflexy posted:Just BSD it, nobody cares, it's just there, some kid might find it interesting. And do something cool. Or not. just give your work away and devalue the labor of all the other programmers
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rotor posted:just give your work away and devalue the labor of all the other programmers Let's see - being as all the interesting stuff I learned from was put out there the same way, I'm going to go with, you are wrong.
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rotor posted:just give your work away and devalue the labor of all the other programmers
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rotor posted:just give your work away and devalue the labor of all the other programmers i'm pretty interested in this angle and the argument makes total sense, especially in our non-luxury hetero terrestrial hellcapitalist society especially considering wage stagnation ugh is this what people meant when they talked about getting older and more conservative?
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Hexyflexy posted:Let's see - being as all the interesting stuff I learned from was put out there the same way, I'm going to go with, you are wrong. giving away free software to startups is cool. It's great that the only thing worth money in 2019 is user data. I'm not mad at all that open source has driven the value of software to zero, I'm actually laughing.
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i think it's cool that the value of software has risen from being a net loss to being $0
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Endless Mike posted:i think it's cool that the value of software has risen from being a net loss to being $0 you realize that in no way improves compensation, right?
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rotor posted:giving away free software to startups is cool. It's great that the only thing worth money in 2019 is user data. I'm not mad at all that open source has driven the value of software to zero, I'm actually laughing. this is why the agpl is so good
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rotor posted:giving away free software to startups is cool. It's great that the only thing worth money in 2019 is user data. I'm not mad at all that open source has driven the value of software to zero, I'm actually laughing. It's cool, let's just monetise all science and maths. The knowledge of how to use software is worth loads, just, yanno, don't write javascript. That is worthless.
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as an aside, I am legit upset about all the "well akshully" and "citation needed" responses in defense of Stallman, but also feel like I can't rant to tech friends I know because I worry that ill get the same from them. I dont think that says good things about myself or my complicity in the current tech culture
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