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Lutha Mahtin posted:first cosby, now rms. what ancient yospos meme will be canceled next?? terry davis will turn out to be not mentally ill, just extremely racist
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Varkk posted:Has anyone really cared about what RMS has said or done since the late 80s? To me he has always been they guy who started the thing which inspired the people who inspired the people who actually made the open source things we now use. he bubbled up to be one of the elite "hacker" types of his generation. the unfortunate bit is that so many people of this cohort are generally weirdo libertarian creeps, who then think that their incidental rise to minor fame is some kind of "a priori" intellectual mandate
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Lutha Mahtin posted:he bubbled up to be one of the elite "hacker" types of his generation.
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and levy's chapter on him is mainly glorifying him for being all bloo bloo no one told me college ends and then you have to find a job
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stallman did, unfortunately, design and code a lot of the early gnu software, including gcc. from an abstract technical point of view, there is some amount of credit to be given there, which i suppose is why he was awarded the macarthur award getting a free $500,000 in the 80s probably did not help the development of his anemic social skills though
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this was good https://medium.com/@zephoria/facing-the-great-reckoning-head-on-8fe434e10630
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Lutha Mahtin posted:getting a free $500,000 in the 80s probably did not help the development of his anemic social skills though
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Stallman developed at least in part early versions of gcc, gdb, and emacs. these were incredibly valuable tools to bootstrap a lot of things, gpl and otherwise. as he progressively lost his mind, he was shut out of these projects. he was such a problem for gcc developers that they made a secret fork without him so they could make progress without the crazy man interfering. after years of stagnation, the main branch was abandoned and their fork was adopted as mainline gcc. the last time rms was relevant was when gplv3 landed. it was generally a clusterfuck for many companies. thanks to his stupid license changes, we got google shipping android with a bsd-based userland and Apple paying for Clang development so they wouldn’t have to keep using gcc and gdb.
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Sep 16, 2019 03:01
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stallmans idiotic copyleft bullshit also made MIT/BSD licenses much more popular. which are actual Freedom
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license fight! license fight! i can see disliking gpl3 in addition to gpl2 but the intent of v3 was to make it harder to comply with the license text while subverting its spirit. how is that so terrible. companies abandoning gpl cause they might have to actually, you know, share alike, doesn't bother me much
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stallman is one of those “c...rap music” people so in all likelihood he’s a turbo racist as well
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Nomnom Cookie posted:license fight! license fight! i can see disliking gpl3 in addition to gpl2 but the intent of v3 was to make it harder to comply with the license text while subverting its spirit. how is that so terrible. companies abandoning gpl cause they might have to actually, you know, share alike, doesn't bother me much IDK, wasn’t there something in GPLv3 about patents and such, and once actual lawyers got ahold of it it was discovered that contributing to GPLv3 software could be abused by competitors to get access to your entire patent portfolio? or something like that? anyway, bsd is about freedom for the developer, gpl is about freedom for some extremely hypothetical computer user from some bygone age who compiles the programs they use from source code and cares at all about being able to change them.
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Doc Block posted:IDK, wasn’t there something in GPLv3 about patents and such, and once actual lawyers got ahold of it it was discovered that contributing to GPLv3 software could be abused by competitors to get access to your entire patent portfolio? or something like that? lot of speculation that haven't been tried out, i think the only thing that is certain is that you grant a irrevocable patent license on everything in a piece of gplv3 software when you distribute it, which makes it very hard to distribute a piece of gplv3 software for most large companies, since they're by default in a MAD patent situation and actually legally reviewing all the existing code is a ridiculously huge task. to a great extent the patent system rather than the gplv3 that is insane here, but the patent system was a naturally evolving existing problem where the gplv3 rather chose its issues.
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violating the GPL is ok since it’s expressed in provocative language and “asking for it”
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GPLv2 is from 1991 and can legally consent, while GPLv3 is from 2007 and can only consent according to RMS' hosed-up value norms
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:lot of speculation that haven't been tried out, i think the only thing that is certain is that you grant a irrevocable patent license on everything in a piece of gplv3 software when you distribute it, which makes it very hard to distribute a piece of gplv3 software for most large companies, since they're by default in a MAD patent situation and actually legally reviewing all the existing code is a ridiculously huge task. rms was willing to throw out most corporate support for gpl code to preserve ideological purity. and he got what he wanted.
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when i was a young kiddo i thought the gpl sounded awesome and then i grew up. i think i even published some graphing calculator software under the gpl. what an idiot i
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gpl v2 is still fine for your own software, just make it clear that you’re open to selling commercial licenses under different terms
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Sep 16, 2019 14:26
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The Management posted:rms was willing to throw out most corporate support for gpl code to preserve ideological purity. and he got what he wanted. when you code with gpl you're coding with COMMUNISM
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akadajet posted:when i was a young kiddo i thought the gpl sounded awesome and then i grew up. i think i even published some graphing calculator software under the gpl. what an idiot i hell same lol
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Sep 16, 2019 16:15
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you guys are part of the problem with comments like this
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Sep 16, 2019 16:47
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im part of so many problems. can you be more specific
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Sep 16, 2019 16:50
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rms corrupts the youth. shocking
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Nomnom Cookie posted:when you code with gpl you're coding with COMMUNISM
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klafbang posted:GPLv2 is from 1991 and can legally consent, while GPLv3 is from 2007 and can only consent according to RMS' hosed-up value norms way I see it, GPL is a license and as such it can’t say “no” to someone violating the GPL, in a legal sense -> therefore that’s giving informal consent and if RMS doesn’t like it maybe GPL shouldn’t have gone out looking the way it does, all socialist communist hippy-like
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Sep 16, 2019 18:00
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screaming I DO NOT CONSENT at the linux repo
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Sep 16, 2019 18:02
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proprietary software licenses can be very, very, good
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Sep 16, 2019 18:08
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your software license is a piece of poo poo
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the #1 purpose of the gpl is to attach the word "gnu" to everything so that stallman can try and claim credit for it
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Doc Block posted:gpl is about freedom for some extremely hypothetical computer user from some bygone age who compiles the programs they use from source code and cares at all about being able to change them. Bygone maybe, but extremely not hypothetical.
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gpl v3 was stallman getting super duper mad that tivo used linux to make a "closed" box that stored encrypted tv shows
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I e-mailed rms once and sent him some links and he responded that he can't visit them because they wouldnt display properly on his terminal because he uses wget or curl or somethin to view webpages. I was expecting a weird response but it was even weirder than the already low bar I set.
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Sep 16, 2019 18:56
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I believe he curls and then emails himself webpages. Hes very anti js as well, between it being distributed in a non-free fashion (minifiying) and js being used to spy on you. I think his feeling that way makes JavaScript good.
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2013 lurker rereg posted:Hes very anti js as well, between it being distributed in a non-free fashion (minifiying) and js being used to spy on you. I think his feeling that way makes JavaScript good. i'll stand with rms on this one. javascript is bad.
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Raere posted:I e-mailed rms once and sent him some links and he responded that he can't visit them because they wouldnt display properly on his terminal because he uses wget or curl or somethin to view webpages. I was expecting a weird response but it was even weirder than the already low bar I set. you should have taken a screenshot of the page and attached it as a gif
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2013 lurker rereg posted:I believe he curls and then emails himself webpages. minifying is still "free"
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