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why is it always just Stalin vs. Trotsky, was there anyone else who could’ve posed their own unique Soviet school of thought like errr Bukharin also funny how this is mirrored by Mao vs. Lin Biao
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Maximo Roboto posted:why is it always just Stalin vs. Trotsky, was there anyone else who could’ve posed their own unique Soviet school of thought like errr Bukharin Probably but Stalin killed them all
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Sep 24, 2019 04:32
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I'd third world maoism a meme ideology? Cause that hate amerikka beat is pretty dope
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Maximo Roboto posted:why is it always just Stalin vs. Trotsky, was there anyone else who could’ve posed their own unique Soviet school of thought like errr Bukharin Inheritance and the importance of individuals is really core to communist ideology
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Is this the thread to ask what Hoxhaists actually believe in besides bunkers, whenever I ask everyone just says bunkers but it can't just be bunkers right?
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Sep 24, 2019 06:19
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socialism in one bunker
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Maduo posted:Is this the thread to ask what Hoxhaists actually believe in besides bunkers, whenever I ask everyone just says bunkers but it can't just be bunkers right? There really isn't much else--"Hoxhaists" don't believe Hoxha was particularly innovative, just the most faithful enactor of Marx and Lenin after Stalin died and his successor Khrushchev supposedly sold out. It basically means you like Stalin but you're not a Maoist. platzapS has issued a correction as of 09:46 on Sep 24, 2019 |
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Communist Zombie posted:Im pretty sure this belongs here, its only a slightly crazier take than what anprims believe in pretty sure this is just a liberal doing some epic red baiting. then again to be an anprim in the first place, you either have to have never thought about anything for two seconds in your life, or think it would be a good thing to murder literally billions of people (there were like 50 million people world wide or some poo poo when the neolithic ended and significant industry was invented lol)
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TrilliontonNixon posted:Literally every time I hear about Trotskyists it's either a bunch of people who are completely insane or they're a bunch of weird sex creeps. Just a few months ago one of the largest Trot orgs in the US disintegrated because it turned out the leadership was covering up harassment and sexual abuse by high ranking members. my uni had 2-3 competing trot factions and all they did was try to sell poo poo newspapers and get into bizzare arguments with eachother. most of them were basically fedora guys but they wore those hats lenin wears in propaganda posters instead. its such a weird obviously self-defeating brand to attach yourself to in 2019 Farm Frenzy has issued a correction as of 11:12 on Sep 24, 2019 |
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Terror Sweat posted:I'd third world maoism a meme ideology? Cause that hate amerikka beat is pretty dope To the extent that it's a coherent ideology at all, it's nationalism with Chinese characteristics. But sometimes it inspires people to form slavery cults. That cult in particular was a remnant of maoist groups from the 70s, when maoism was popular in leftist circles in the West for a while following the Cultural Revolution and the Vietnam war. Anyone in the West claiming to be a maoist on the internet today is almost certainly a meme ideologist who's had to reinvent what that even means. In China it has evolved into turbo-nationalism very similar to the far right in the West, especially considering the emphasis they both put on culture, and internet trolling. That might seem ironic but recall that maoism was always a populist nationalist movement first and foremost. That it has been considered an extreme left ideology says more about the people calling it such (like the CCP which insists it's banning unions and strikes for entirely leftist reasons, or capitalist apologist saying "yep this is definitely the end game of the left"), and perhaps that whole scale. Mooey Cow has issued a correction as of 12:25 on Sep 24, 2019 |
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Maduo posted:Is this the thread to ask what Hoxhaists actually believe in besides bunkers, whenever I ask everyone just says bunkers but it can't just be bunkers right? I‘d say that besides the theoretical underpinnings of Hoxhaism which are like ctrl-c, ctrl-v of Stalinism with some elements of Maoism thrown into the mix, (not the three worlds theory though, which Hoxha denounced), it’s important to look at the praxis here. Albania under Hoxha was super nationalist and also insanely paranoid against pretty much everybody else and especially against Yugoslavia. This led to a radical isolationism, which in turn gave us, well, bunkers.
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Mooey Cow posted:To the extent that it's a coherent ideology at all, it's nationalism with Chinese characteristics. But sometimes it inspires people to form slavery cults. That cult in particular was a remnant of maoist groups from the 70s, when maoism was popular in leftist circles in the West for a while following the Cultural Revolution and the Vietnam war. Anyone in the West claiming to be a maoist on the internet today is almost certainly a meme ideologist who's had to reinvent what that even means. In China it has evolved into turbo-nationalism very similar to the far right in the West, especially considering the emphasis they both put on culture, and internet trolling. That might seem ironic but recall that maoism was always a populist nationalist movement first and foremost. That it has been considered an extreme left ideology says more about the people calling it such (like the CCP which insists it's banning unions and strikes for entirely leftist reasons, or capitalist apologist saying "yep this is definitely the end game of the left"), and perhaps that whole scale. On that topic, my favorite historical maoist cult is the United Red Army in Japan: quote:The United Red Army had 29 members and lost 14 by killing them in less than a year. Most were members of the New Left.
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Larry Parrish posted:pretty sure this is just a liberal doing some epic red baiting. then again to be an anprim in the first place, you either have to have never thought about anything for two seconds in your life, or think it would be a good thing to murder literally billions of people (there were like 50 million people world wide or some poo poo when the neolithic ended and significant industry was invented lol) It looks to me like someone skimming the wiki article on James Scott while way too high
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StashAugustine posted:It looks to me like someone skimming the wiki article on James Scott while way too high
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TrilliontonNixon posted:Literally every time I hear about Trotskyists it's either a bunch of people who are completely insane or they're a bunch of weird sex creeps. Just a few months ago one of the largest Trot orgs in the US disintegrated because it turned out the leadership was covering up harassment and sexual abuse by high ranking members. it's even worse, it melted down because the leadership got ousted by young people who then cracked the gently caress down which led to the olds getting pissy and splitting. No matter what ideology they claim to hold, never trust the boomers. They will betray you
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Maduo posted:Is this the thread to ask what Hoxhaists actually believe in besides bunkers, whenever I ask everyone just says bunkers but it can't just be bunkers right? Are you saying you need something more than just bunkers, comrade? 
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I'm not sure quite where the Münsterites fit into the grand scheme of things but batshit insane communist Anabaptist apocalypse cultists from 500 years ago feel like they at least vaguely fit the spirit here.
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docbeard posted:I'm not sure quite where the Münsterites fit into the grand scheme of things but batshit insane communist Anabaptist apocalypse cultists from 500 years ago feel like they at least vaguely fit the spirit here. if we're going historical than i'm up for becoming a Mazdakite. Anti-clerical free love communist Zoroastrianism? Definition of a meme ideology
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But seriously I'm legit pissed that there's a single goddamn monarchist in 2019.
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There are always heraldry loving scepter-lickers and fans of royal glamour and tabloid-fodder but neoreactionary also had a strong monarchical component, both from tech chuds like Moldbug who are open about their disdain for democracy, and the aforementioned throne and altar trad Catholics, so monarchism is actually making a meme comeback Also DPRK Juche tankies who are okay with that country's domination under the Kims for some reason
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"boy i can't want until absolute monarchy returns to this godless heathen rebel world" *monarchy returns* "umm, my king, you seem to have made an error... why am i farming cabbages and living in a filthy shack?? surely i should a nobleman" *gets drawn and quartered for questioning the king*
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the monarchist i know, who shall not be named as that is apparently "harassment", clarified that he wants a monarchy like the modern uk one, i.e. a giant tax scam for a noble family that serves no purpose.
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i dunno about trots but out of the small bits of marxist "theory" i've read trotsky was like the only one with tolerable prose though i do like bakunin the mostest so far
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Have you guys seen the Red Flood mod for HOIV? It's basically going to be Meme Ideologies: The Video Game. Here's a dev diary about the political branches for France which apparently gets to choose between literal accelerationism, a Georges Bataille-led cult of hedonism, and agrarian Neo-Druidism. What I've seen of the other countries is similarly insane. https://www.reddit.com/r/hoi4modding/comments/ceybix/red_flood_progress_report_11_f_r_a_n_c_e/ edit: here is a link to the actual sub https://www.reddit.com/r/RedFloodMod/ Fuzzy McDoom has issued a correction as of 00:03 on Sep 25, 2019 |
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Mycroft Holmes posted:the monarchist i know, who shall not be named as that is apparently "harassment", clarified that he wants a monarchy like the modern uk one, i.e. a giant tax scam for a noble family that serves no purpose. Being a constitutional monarchist is even dumber than a return to divine right. At least with the latter you can delude yourself that feudalism was somehow better than capitalism. We have examples of constitutional monarchy's everywhere* & their royals serve as essentially parasitic artifacts. They're not even better behaved than any given capitalists given what we know about the windsors behavior
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Fuzzy McDoom posted:So in France I'm aware of the historical reasons why the monarchists are in a three way split between the Orleanists, Bonapartists, and whatever you call the mainline Bourbon supporters, but I'd love to know more spicy facts about the current pretenders and what sort of nonsense policies each faction/ruler wants to implement. seconding this. when I was an undergrad I found a very small and weird strange of english neo-bonapartism. the historiography around the topic is still hilariously partisan across the channel, but there was this small group of amateur historians who took the french position and went into very weird places with it. as far as I could tell they were a few blokes with a very strange hobby. they published great long pro-bonaparte screeds (liberator of europe, weird waterloo alt-histories, etc.) around the 1980s. unfortunately for me the university destroyed all my notes after I graduated - does this ring any bells? dpf has issued a correction as of 18:30 on Sep 25, 2019 |
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Fuzzy McDoom posted:Have you guys seen the Red Flood mod for HOIV? It's basically going to be Meme Ideologies: The Video Game. Here's a dev diary about the political branches for France which apparently gets to choose between literal accelerationism, a Georges Bataille-led cult of hedonism, and agrarian Neo-Druidism. What I've seen of the other countries is similarly insane. I fell in love with the first hearts mod that I met that would let my play as Georges bataille
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Hentai Jihadist posted:i dunno about trots but out of the small bits of marxist "theory" i've read trotsky was like the only one with tolerable prose dpf posted:seconding this.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:I wonder what Trotsky would think of the people named after him. Like, is there really any ideological overlap at all, or are Trotskyists just people who have decided that if Trotsky had had Stalin's power, he'd have createe a utopia where they were allowed to have underage sex slaves? Well Trotsky was considered insufferably smug by his comrades and that's the main reason why he never had a chance in the power struggles, so he would think of them as unflattering caricatures even if they were 95% faithful. What's the trot sex cult you're referring to?
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Oh man, I'm insufferable and smug too. Is Trotskyism right for me?
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ikanreed posted:Oh man, I'm insufferable and smug too. Is Trotskyism right for me? How good are you at selling newspapers?
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docbeard posted:I'm not sure quite where the Münsterites fit into the grand scheme of things but batshit insane communist Anabaptist apocalypse cultists from 500 years ago feel like they at least vaguely fit the spirit here. (puts on hat) alright seeya fellas I found my new ideology
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uncop posted:What's the trot sex cult you're referring to? The SWP in England had a very very bad rape scandal a few years ago. Lead to a schism (led by China Mieville of all people lol) and all kinds of nastiness. Lots of women were treated appalingly. It's a shame, because in the 80s the party was at the forefront of the fight against the fascist National Front. There was lots of street fighting and the nazis were driven underground. Lots of good work was done. At least for a while - that fascism has now metastised and is arguably in the corridors of power. gently caress this island hellhole I knew SWP vets growing up and they were good folks. they left the party before all that poo poo blew up. You still see literature and stickers around east london occasionally (there's strong solidarity between immigrant communities the left there. See: cable street) but they've mostly crawled back into their holes and are told to gently caress off at protests now. Trotskyism was basically the strongest leftist current in the UK for a time and it was ok. I reckon that all movements that stop being broad fronts and are cliquey and weird end up operating like cults basically e: and cult leaders are mostly rapist scumbags, apart from that guy vissarion who seems chill dpf has issued a correction as of 23:00 on Sep 25, 2019 |
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Mycroft Holmes posted:the monarchist i know, who shall not be named as that is apparently "harassment", clarified that he wants a monarchy like the modern uk one, i.e. a giant tax scam for a noble family that serves no purpose. God drat that's extremely dumb. Do they just like pageantry or what?
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Maximo Roboto posted:There are always heraldry loving scepter-lickers and fans of royal glamour and tabloid-fodder but neoreactionary also had a strong monarchical component, both from tech chuds like Moldbug who are open about their disdain for democracy, and the aforementioned throne and altar trad Catholics, so monarchism is actually making a meme comeback honestly, just, anything moldbug has ever written pretty much all of his 20,000 word blog posts are rallying cries about how everyone in power deserves to be there, and so to be truly special you should just sit down and not make a fuss extremely large-brained content
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