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Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
My rep is Cicilline and he's been pro impeachment for a while, so I'm happy with him.

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Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
Not the Mama!!!

Edit: gently caress, what a shameful page snipe.

Phone posting, someone pay the tax for me.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
The count on the NYTimes site is up to 204.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
I feel like some Dems in the House should play clips like this in the congress to troll the GOP

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1176469306944757760

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

OddObserver posted:

I think McKinley may have had it worse. Not only did he get assassinated, but only people from Buffalo remember.

Don't forget Garfield

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
The Examiner has turned on Trump!?

Didn't think it was possible.

https://mobile.twitter.com/QuinHill...genumber%3D1930

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

empty whippet box posted:

kinda feel like I'm gonna wake up tomorrow morning and this thread will have 12000 new posts.

I live in Korea and it happened to me this morning. Plowed through all of them though.

Couldn't come close in CSPAM though :lol:

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Doctor Spaceman posted:

It's not that it's worse, it's that the Dems are more mobilised than they've been previously and it's far more straightforward (both in terms of what he did and what evidence there is) than the Mueller / Russia stuff.

Another huge factor is that he 100% doesn't understand what the problem is and in Jr. like fashion is admitting to the crime on TV and publishing damning documents that he thinks clears him of wrong doing.

At least he kind of understood the charges of Russian collusion and thus could defend against them somewhat effectively. He clearly doesn't get what this impeachment is really about.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
WTF?

https://mobile.twitter.com/AshaRangappa_/status/1177069620886421506
https://mobile.twitter.com/AshaRangappa_/status/1177071666620456961

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Pike & Shot Battles, Best Battles

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
It would be amazing if Fox turned on him eventually.

https://twitter.com/gabrielsherman/status/1177340474262216706

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Lote posted:

Dying throes of the Deep State, most likely.

In a way, that assessment is right. Trump has been escalating bad behavior and cleaning house of everyone that speaks up or is uncomfortable. He’s trying to surround himself with true believers such that he becomes untouchable. The only problem is that you start to surround yourself with the people that have bad cognitive dissonance that can’t interpret any of the data that they’re getting. See Devin Nunes suing his own cow.

Also, I believe he meant perfect with regards to the call in that it perfectly conveyed an implicit quid pro quo therefore, in Trumps mind, “perfectly” legal.

But over half a dozen officials from as late as May-July were talking to the whistle blower. That means that people that have stuck with him for three years or people have recently joined despite being aware of how bad he was, still thought his behavior was beyond the pale. It seems like something as simple as packing his staff with true believers is beyond Trump.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Paradoxish posted:

85% of Republicans being against impeachment is a pretty clear message for them not to remove, though. Polls like this aren't promising if the goal is actually removal, although it's at least a bit heartening that Republican support isn't totally static.

Was this poll done before, after or during the release of the transcript?

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Lol, might as well tell your staffers to give up and stop defending you

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Rigel posted:

I see this a lot, but this is not true either. There might be 30-35 GOP votes in the Senate to throw Trump out if and only if the vote were both secret and if a magic spell were cast preventing anyone from claiming they voted no.

After this private vote Flake talks about, the CHUD horde would angrily demand who voted yes, and every GOP no vote would run screaming to the cameras that they voted no.

https://twitter.com/rgoodlaw/status/1177424336774402048
Yeah, they'd lie. And what would it matter as long as they voted Yes in the trail? Trump would still be convicted.

As long as like ten vote aquit they can claim I was one of the loyal ten later, while gleefully voting to convict now.

Charlz Guybon fucked around with this message at 09:34 on Sep 27, 2019

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Cable Guy posted:

This is all hypothetical though isn't it...? Would a verdict vote even be a secret ballot? What's the precedent? Is it up to the turtle? If so, does he think his interests are divested enough from donny's to allow a secret ballot?

I think even 4 GOP senators who wanted to could ram it through with the Dems. That would be a public vote though.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

WTF?

In what universe would you not rush back to DC in order to try and manage the fallout hands on? Just continuing that trips just smacks of defeatism or hubris

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

1glitch0 posted:

Did he give Colbert a piece of candy? It makes it all better.

And if anyone is serious, of course Barr isn't fleeing the country.

Yeah, but why didn't he come back after the transcript disaster?
Which is it? Hubris or defeatism?

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

1glitch0 posted:

What does he or the administration have to gain by rescheduling his trip? It just makes things look worse and there's not much he can't do via phone calls that he can do being physically in Washington.
Managing Trump is something that can only be done hands on, face to face.

You tell him something and hang up, and he's already listening to the guy next to him and forgot about you.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
https://mobile.twitter.com/AOC/status/1177793763114209283

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
Lol

https://mobile.twitter.com/oliverdarcy/status/1177603475292725254

https://mobile.twitter.com/oliverdarcy/status/1177756953176662016

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
Why would he do that?

Did he just assume that Trump would edit out the crimes? Or was this him throwing Trump under the bus?

https://mobile.twitter.com/WordswithSteph/status/1177771035170607104

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
Might be getting some of his taxes soon

https://mobile.twitter.com/thehill/status/1177858239091941376

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

RuanGacho posted:

If true, it could send shock waves through this whole thing if Donny thinks the Turtle is betraying him.

I mean, I'm sure Mitch assumed he would release a transcript edited to make him look good, but Trump could easily end up blaming him for it.

After all, who else is he going to blame? Himself?

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Eh...that's good, but let me know when it's a governor outside of New England

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
Not a thing of value? :staredog:

https://mobile.twitter.com/neal_katyal/status/1177922126243721216

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Sir Lemming posted:

Maybe I'm too optimistic, but I really don't think the "oh, so you think ALL conversations with foreign leaders are bad????" talking point has legs. It's ridiculously easy to refute.

But the Times or the WaPo specifically said he told the Russians he wasn't bothered by their election meddling in that conversation

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
Is going six hours without a drink really enough to be called sobering up?

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
:lol:

https://mobile.twitter.com/davidlnoll/status/1177961615582474240

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
It would be incredible if one of the transcripts we get out of that server proves this

https://mobile.twitter.com/11tulips/status/1177904110412222466

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Tuff Scrote posted:

Anyone who thinks the GOP will do anything but obstruct and run air cover for Trump is delusional
Aside from Graham none has bothered though and it's been four full days.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
Good

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1178156978893459458

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Personal dispute huh?

Makes me think the reports of a huge Saudi defeat in Yemen are true

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
Totally missed this one

https://twitter.com/MollyMcKew/status/1178106636923277312

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
I think this could definitely get interesting. Coats out and out hated Trump for a long time and it was amazing he managed to hang on to his position for a long time. If any former Trump official tells the truth about Trump before Congress, it will be him.

https://twitter.com/harrylitman/status/1177933922937769984

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Eh...if you want to actually convict him, you kind of do need them.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Groovelord Neato posted:

that's not impeachment. trump will never be convicted in the senate.

Almost certainly correct, nevertheless the Democrats should attempt to get him convicted anyways.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
How'd they know? It's a mystery for the ages.

https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1178202801106800640

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Lightning Knight posted:

Why would Republicans care about polls that don’t show splitting of the Republican base, 2/3rds is about the right amount to reflect people who are and aren’t Republicans overall and Republicans have routinely done deeply unpopular things so long as they still have base support.

Eh, a big enough wave could see them lose another 20-30 house seats on top of the 40 they lost in 2018 as well as half a dozen senate seats. They'd kind of prefer that not to happen.

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Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

That sounds like it could make a devastating headline, especially when combined with Trump's threatening tweets.

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