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FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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Violet_Sky posted:

Has anyone here been in any "gifted" programs as kids?
Accelerated Reading + Some other supplemental poo poo like out of classroom world history studies. My friends and I took some test in 3rd grade that we never got results for lol.

The kids that were my friends left in 5th grade so I buried my head in books instead of socializing. Which served me well through the rest of public Ed by building vocabulary. Was pretty much the weird smart kid ever since, carrying a dictionary in my backpack for when I was bored. (Apparently looking up words you didn't know was super weird poo poo?)

Had to transfer tracks in Jr High for the Honors program, which was mostly a more specialized course of study with teachers in a kind of team instead of random assignments to whoever was period 4 humanities and whatnot.

Honors in high school, then AP stuff. It was super weird to walk into, like, Biology and hear "The Honors teachers had a meeting yesterday and we kept mentioning you". Probably because I said poo poo like "Stop asking religious questions, unless you can point to biological evidence of a soul" and devoured the books we had in English. World History was way boring, though.

Then I pretty much imploded in college until I decided to pursue stuff I enjoyed like Lit. Sorry Ma, your boy ain't that smart after all maybe.

Thinking back, public school could have been a wash. I was maybe bored or too shy in 1st grade, and my teacher fycking hated my guts so I never could do the cool science time stuff. I was in advanced reading and when it was my turn to read in a "mouse voice" I quietly said "but I don't know how to do a mouse voice" and she yelled at me for being a lazy, lazy kid.

Then my 2nd grade teacher was over the loving moon about me for some reason and I was like "Oh. I'm not a useless fuckup!"

FilthyImp fucked around with this message at 07:50 on Aug 14, 2021

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FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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Pththya-lyi posted:

Like, how often do you hear an honest answer to the question "How are you?" And how often do people expect that honest answer? 99% of the time you're supposed to say something like "I'm fine. How are you?"
I loving hate that bit of smalltalk.

Though I abuse the gently caress out of "Hey some weather today" when I need to get through an elevator ride.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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This was made 10 years ago? And it's a valid, well-executed work.

What's your excuse, Sia???


I think my favorite part before the joke lands is "I've been standing here 26 minutes now watch the interview"

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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Ah, my favorite time of the year, when I open a present and fight the urge to say "Thanks, this is a really cool thought. But, uh, please return it and get your money back because I don't think I'll use it much"

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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Camrath posted:

Anecdotal, but I’m autistic and do this all the time.

Also using /slashes/ for emphasis.
I don't nest pare theticala but that's mainly because an AP English teacher broke me of the habit of [doing(this)] while I was young.

Then college broke me of the ha it of using a bunch of footnotes.

:haw:

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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Holy poo poo dude someone should have advocated for you. That sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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If I'm really appreciative I feel like saying "Thank you, that way very kind of you" is closer to the intent.
I also have tobstopbmyself from pointing out all the reasons why the complement is wrong and then quickly correct with, like, "oh but thank you I mean"

SetsunaMeioh posted:

This might be because I went through an Autism support network and not a private practitioner
Oh, do tell! :allears:

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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Jackson faced a childhood full of abuse and unnatural expectations. It's almost assuredly a fool's errand to try and classify him from the armchair given all that.

SetsunaMeioh posted:

I went through GRASP, which is local to me & they recently changed their payment options for a simple assessment.
This is amazing. Thanks!! Time to start saving up

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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SoxiL events pre-smartphone were hell.

My parents were like "stop bringing books everywhere!" What the hell am I supposed to do at a party without books to read! "Go socialize and talk to people" I DONT KNOW ANYONE HERE AND ITS EITHER 25-65 YEAR OLDS OR LITERAL CHILDREN!

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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Middle school was pretty stressful due to that poo poo

"Oy she likes you, you like her too right?"

'Um. Am I supposed to? I guess... maybe'

Omg u jerk :argh:

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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I wore black dress socks until middle school (where you had to wear white gym socks for PE) because ai hated how dry and rough the white ones felt.

I also liked when eating a tuna fish sandwich that had chunks of onion in it and have hated onions since.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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cinnamon rollout posted:

Something my son does is when he eats pizza he flips the pizza slice upside down. He will turn the slice over on the plate and either pick it up and eat it like that, or pick at the bread and pull it apart to eat it.
My parents would always order the Pizza Hut Supreme so I would get a napkin and wipe everything until it was just clean bread with some tomato leftovers.

Then I discovered pepperoni and it was ok.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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Kalsco posted:

Always been the odd one out. I will reciprocate a good morning or whatever when asked, but like... Man, I just don't like doing it. We see each other 5 days a week. Please stop. Who are you fooling?
People really hate walking by without acknowledging each other. It's awkward, I guess?

9/10 when asked I just default to some bullshit like "oh man this weather/can't wait till Friday!/man I need some coffee" and the ritual concludes

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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HopperUK posted:

Reminds me of a lot of kids' cartoons of the 80s where the message (enforced strongly by the networks) was CONFORM. CONFORM TO THE GROUP.
The Melting Pot was still a fashionable idea WRT US culture

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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I finally found a place that would do an assessment, and one thats paid by my insurance. Felt relieved I didn't have to drop the $600 that it would have otherwise taken.

Assessor says that its more like extreme anxiety. Kinda feel like I just mask well since *points at all the online tests*.

It was fun to learn that i'm like off the charts for language skill and data handling. Getting to the end of the tests was... fun.




Hungry Squirrel posted:

I'll obviously do this with her, because she knows what kinds of things upset her and what helps. But, starting from scratch will be overwhelming. Does something like these lists already exist, that we can use as a starting point? And, are there any other sections that would be good?

I'd like the final product to be purse-sized, between an index card and a quartered sheet of letter paper.
A set of cushioned headphones (basically kid-sized ear protection like you would buy for shop work) also helps.

Would flashcards be better? Theres a ton out there and maybe yiy can mix and match to get what you need?

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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Cloacamazing! posted:

Your assessor probably doesn't believe in online tests, most professionals don't, but can they do their own tests with you? Or is it just talking?
It was a 2 hour in-person battery of tests.Adult IQ, data processing, visual processing, spatial awareness, etc. Ive spoken with therapists and Psychiatrists before and they were pretty dismissive of the ASD possibility because I vary my tone/make eye-contact/have empathy. But a lot of that is because I know I have to work at it. If im stressed as gently caress tjat goes out the window and I'm just as likely to stare ahead at what I'm doing when responding to someone until a signal flare goes up in my brain saying "YOU'RE BEING AN rear end in a top hat RIGHT NOW".

I had a pre-screening that was mostly talk (why do you want to get tested, personal history, etc). I did mention to that person that I had done general info tests online -- met with a bit of a scoff-- and then explained that my wife's score was basically "Lol No Autism here friend" and mine was on the high end of "You're Autistic as all gently caress, child!", which led me to try the RAADS-R and whatever. I thought that self-testing was kind of starting to be acknowledged as a valid line of questioning for adults that may have slipped through the cracks but I guess not everyone shares that when TikTok is like "have you ever cracked your knuckles during a test? Guess what you're ADHD!"

The whole report was very long and informative and I enjoyed speaking with the assessor that did my testing.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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Oh man, I havent had a quote=/= edit in a while...

bagmonkey posted:

And for the record, an evaluation is NOT necessary to like, identify as ASD.
Thanks. I remember getting my results and was like "oh poo poo i've been doing an autism Stolen Valor i'm just a wordy rear end in a top hat to people!"

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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Car Hater posted:

can anyone help me with resources for letting things go that work when you *can't*? I absolutely obsess over poo poo that's in the past and it seems like the only thing that works is a new thing to ruminate over, I want to get on with my life but I *can't*
Oh man, i have been there so many times.
Zoloft has done wonders for not having little interactions become a pit of "OH GOD WHY DID I SAY IT LIKE THAT WHYYYY"

Also therapy. Just talking, and then having stuff sink in. Has helped quite a bit.

Cloacamazing! posted:

Do you mind describing how empathy works for you? I brought that one up with my assessor, since I knew I had empathy and that had been one of the reasons I thought I couldn't be autistic. She made me describe it, and apparently I have been empathying wrong (or at least, not very neurotypical). Didn't even know there was another way.
Thats's... actually kind of interesting to think about. I suppose I can understand why someone would be upset in a situation because I could see myself being upset? Like if their car got totalled i'd be like "poo poo that sucks are you ok". I think I know enough to intuit that something is disturbing even if I dont particularly care about it.

I definitely have a hard stop to things emotionally if, like, theres something about someone that feels off? Like boo hoo Kim Kardashian was robbed (god that must have been terrifying, but she's kind of a poo poo person, but yeah that sucks, but also...). So maybe that part of me is broken. Thinking about it more I can kind of be inflexible with my opinions of people-- one of my coworkers basically told someone else "yeah, so I knew that they were going to pass you over because I had lunch with So-and-So and they voiced concerns but I didnt want to break their truuust" and I'm just sitting therr going like "why would you ever admit to that you slime-mold of a person?"

I had a friend confide in me about their experience with SA and the entire time I kept listening and being hyper aware to modulate my expressions so that I wouldnt come off as insensitive. Because honestly all I could do was listen, and thank them for their trust, and check in if they needed like a blanket or the room for a second or whatever else to decompress.
A coworker recently lost a family member and I ran into them getting on the elevator and just gave them a "hey I hope you're doing ok" with a little empathetic head nod because what the gently caress do you say or do for someone. All I can think about in that situation is "yeah that sucks, they must be really grieving and going through a lot of emotions. Theres nothing I can do to help that. Also it's just kind of a lovely part of life"

FilthyImp fucked around with this message at 05:23 on Jun 6, 2023

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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I have two. My eldest started school this year and it's been tough. Lots of behaviors that mirror my own growing up, though he's a little more volatile, I think. I dont remember having meltdowns in school (until I was a teenager at least). Smart as heck and it took a while for me to just be able to accept that when people mentioned it instead of saying "ehhhhh, really?" I had to catch myself and modulate a lot of responses with him in mind, since I want to be supportive.

I have had to pick him up early and say sorry to so many people this year, so many times. It's very despiriting sometimes, but we're fortunate to have the Instructional Specialist advocating for him. After a rough first semester he received an IEP to provide some services and supports. I've observed him in class and it's very interesting. Can't (or won't) sit still, will do stuff like run using all 4 of his limbs, just kind of explore the class, but is paying attention to storying and instruction the whole time. Which is like, yeah, I would doodle or read ahead or daydream a little in class when it was slow but still keep up. He's very popular with the school staff-- despite the usually negative reasons for him interacting with them. Hoping next year is a little easier. Looking for play-based therapy during the summer to help a bit.

Youngest is pre-K aged and he's a lot more chill, if a little aloof and stubborn. Really gentle and kind and funny as all gently caress. Kid's super into Halloween and slasher icons even though he hasnt seen their films and poo poo. Dude's also like a Lego Master. He's made some cool poo poo just because and loves telling stories. Also an adventurous eater. And sneaky.

I mean, shitload of guilt for bringing them into a hosed up world, dooming them to contemplate their mortality, and cursing them with genetic sadbrains... but at least mom and I are aware enough to know that they're not just "weird" and get services and diagnoses as needed. Really just amazing watching them make sense of the world or have random questions or crack jokes or really fall in love with films. They loved Predator and Aliens.

A big reason why I jumped into therapy and medication is to be better for them, and for my own sanity. Dealing with them as babies wasn't that bad (oh god I hated the poop and the crying). Disturbance to sleep schedule really hurt with the second and made me definitely sure I didnt want to go through it again. It's sometimes not easy dealing with the noise and the chaos and the constant flow of things going wrong, so being present can be hard some days.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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Zeg posted:

This thread feels like all my secrets have been put on blast.
Did anyone mention how they feel like everyone leaves you once they realize you have no utility to them, and that your life seems to be in service of others?

:3:

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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bagmonkey posted:

For me personally, I only have ONE group in my life that is primarily NT and I don't really see them terribly often because they love doing poo poo that I do not love doing.
Last holiday season I wranged together the kids and was driving down to a friend's house, after picking up food and poo poo.
"Hey we're like 20-35 minutes away. Sorry, traffic and food took a while..."
'Oh poo poo, I was just going to shower. And, uh, wait. Didnt I say we were going to your place?? I forgot man'

Cue me pulling over and giving my wife the phone because fuuuuuuck was it a pain to get everything going and fuuuuuuuuuck now we have to go back or change everything and I just dont have the capacity to do this today.

'Oh we can just go eat somewhere'

Where?! Where! I have two hyperactive kids and one is a picky eater. Now I have to spend my time worrying about them dropping their utensils or knocking over a glass or throwing up or.... this is not relaxing.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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Yeah, it's why the line Sheldon had in BBT about "my parents had me tested" was always a crock of poo poo-- getting tested in Texas in like 1988 would yield nothing considerable except for "he Smart!"

G&T in my school district now specifies a lot of areas that you can be identified for (leadership, performing arts, technical arts, general, etc). So it's at least growing to account for kids that may have a particular strength. Feels a little better than just going "they read a lot oh boy put them in gifted".

There's also the 2E/Twice Exceptional label which applies to students with high potential/skill but may also have a learning disability/ASD/ADHD diagnosis. Since comorbidities and all...

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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Yelling into the sainted abyss because the adult won't understand when I say "plz don't just take something from my kid he'll snap into uncontrollable exasperation and you'll be rear end-deep in tantrum mode for 5 minutes" and I'm met with "well we can't give him special treatment and he'll have to outgrow it".

Let me just shred up this IEP then! Hahaha!

nesamdoom posted:

Leonard is massive creep poo poo, but like normalized. Years back this song played in the bars about buying a drunk chick drinks so she wouldn't leave so dude could go home with her later and it's massively hosed how that was a hit song.
They play it every Winter!

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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nesamdoom posted:

And they beat that dead horse as deep into the ground as possible.
The best part about it was culture shifting so that "hahaha this guy likes COMIC BOOKS and STAR WARS" was met with an army of children and young adults going "uh yeah, doesn't everyone???"

I think it just became a rom com at some point.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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My kids don't classify for Autism because they're fairly sociable and the district line is "how does this affect their relationships and socialization" and not, like, "the kid blows up because the teacher ignored them since they didnt raise their hands and no you can't use the materials from Group A to build a bridge even though there's an empty seat there" kind of stuff.

As a result- we've had to be pretty specific in their IEP reassessment meetings. Stuff like providing *Directed* breaks instead of "he was disruptive so we let him play on the slide and now he's melting down because he has to transition back into the classroom" or how physical contact/reassurance is one of his coping mechanisms and yes sometimes he just needs a hug or a high five.

The academic and social goals are good, but I've found you sometimes need to really, really advocate for the little things that they absolutely need for whatever reason.

It sounds like the new school is on top of it, so work to make sure the IEP doesn't take away support-- like "oh he's not biting teachers anymore so he doesn't really need preferential seating/a calm corner/a 2 hour aide/etc"

Also keep an eye out for teachers being kind of inept. Yes I understand his balance ball seat was disruptive because he was bouncing it. No you cannot remove it from the room for *weeks* at a time and not tell us/not enable him a way to regain it. Also no that's not him getting "special treatment" you knob. No he can't just "grow out of it".

FilthyImp fucked around with this message at 06:39 on Feb 17, 2024

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FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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cinnamon rollout posted:

Our specific beef is with the transportation company and the administration, not the teachers.
There's so many moving parts that sometimes, even if your <Case Manager, AP. Instructional Aide, Behavior Provider, X> are awesome, you kind if have to be a pain because something else in the chain is broken. But you also have to see it as advocating for your kids and getting them what they need.

I'd hazard that we are successful in general because we had folks advocate for us in various ways throughout our lives, and this is no different.

Well Played Mauer posted:

We’ve had a diagnosis for my 5-year-old for about six months and his preschool has been great in helping him when he runs into difficulties. He’s confident enough there that he’s a leader that makes up games for everyone else.
I hear you. That's a great trait, but depending on the school they may see that willingness to step up as disqualifying from Autism services (but will probably qualify for other services). First week of Kinder my kid asked for the microphone from teacher and started explaining how trees work (?), he's well liked by a lot of peers and can jump into games pretty fearlessly. He doesn't fit into the "typical" autism profile so his IEP doesn't include that kind of language. Thankfully his case manager gets him and the accommodations kind of lean that way anyway.

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I’d rather avoid private school if we can, but it sounds like public school is gonna be a high conflict path.
Private school can also be a minefield, if they provide ISPs! There's a pretty substantial difference! I've also found that taking an incremental approach, like starting with a 504 Plan and then maybe going to an IEP generally isn't the best. It's better to pare down as their needs stabilize instead of adding, apparently.

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