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Monstaland
Sep 23, 2003

I am on the waiting list for an ASD assessment (and related disorders) as a 43 year old adult male. I am not sure if they actually can complete a diagnosis as I don't have much data and witnesses from childhood. My father is dead and I don't trust my mother (she has a whole lot of problems herself to deal with) to be objective enough to describe my childhood behaviours and experiences.

The only things I have is my own experiences, stuff like the lists I made of all the kids in my classes (since i was about 9 years old till puberty) to keep track of their behaviour (rankings/ratings) towards me and how I should aproach them and that I hide into videogames for like every moment possible.

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Monstaland
Sep 23, 2003

Had my first conversations with two psychologists (one doing the interview and the other observing and taking notes) yesterday. A session alone and a follow-up including my wife.

There's nothing clear at the moment but I think they are trying to figure out if my problems are a result of a attachment disorder / emotional neglect or ASD. Will have my next session in two weeks.

Monstaland
Sep 23, 2003

Just got diagnosed with Autism Spectrum Disorder. The psychologist who told me the result said he would describe me as an aspie if it was still an official diagnosis.

I am not sure how I should feel about this as a 44 year old married grown rear end man. Self acceptance and a feeling of freedom as a result of that I guess.

Monstaland
Sep 23, 2003

The problem with this is that a lot of symptoms that can be caused by autism can also be caused by other disorders/anxieties/traumas. There's a huge overlap in corresponding symptoms caused by all kinds of sources. Without speaking to the person in question and learning about his past and current day experiences you can never be sure. especially when you are not educated in this field of psychology.

Monstaland
Sep 23, 2003

I think Abed from Community is a decent aspie character. Also Saga Noren in Bron/Broen, the original Swedish version of The Bridge.

Monstaland fucked around with this message at 19:26 on Sep 19, 2020

Monstaland
Sep 23, 2003

Turpitude II posted:

to officially diagnosed people: what should one expect from an assessment?



Well, I am still a bit baffled by the speed I was diagnosed with (mild) autism. Or to be more specific Autism Spectrum Disorder. I am not sure if that has to do with me being very clearly a case of autism (which I doubt) or because they're just lazy and struggling with waiting lists. I can't get away from the idea that this could be a part of the case.

Anyway, in answer to your question; after about 8 months I received a telephone call that they're going to examine me in about two months and that I had to fill in a couple of rather lengthy questionairres which where pretty much the same as you could find online if you pick out the useful ones out of the trash. They told me I was about to be reviewed by a single psychologist but when I arrived there was another one taking notes and observing. She apologized for this because it was communicated to me that there would be only one psychologist at the first meeting. Somehow I got the sense that this wasn't an accident and that they wanted to see my reaction for that sudden change of plan. Also, when I was waiting outside before it was my turn there was someone also waiting for an appointment of which I strongly got the feeling was part of the observation. This idea was reinforced by the way we exchanged hi's, it felt way too much if he was part of the staff than just another cliënt. The way the first psychologist apologized for the sudden presence of a second psychologist triggered me in the same way. On the other hand, I have problems believing these professionals use such simplistic and gaudy observation techniques and I might just be paranoid. Still I strongly believe that was not the case because I am often correct in such sitations. They say autistics have very keen eye for details and I seem to have that keen eye specifically in social situations, the way people speak, how they sound and especially compared to how the speak and sound in other situations. And not as much in visual stuff compared to other autistics. Regarding that, things just didn't match up. Yes, I might be projecting myself into some Sherlock Holmes fantasy but I get these situations a lot and I was almost always right. My best friend 'suicided' but I figured out after a 15 seconds conversation with the police investigators he actually died to autoerotic asphyxiation. Which was confirmed later by his parents when I straightly asked them when they told me he just suicided. They didn't want me or anyone else to know the truth. Sorry for the derail.

To get back to the first meeting. I was speaking to the first psychologist with the second taking notes and such. Lot's of questions where asked about my life. About my social situations. How I cope with situations at work, in marriage, my son etc. I explained why I can't bring my mother as a witness of my early youth which they found plausible. I think it took about 2,5 hours. Later that day I had another meeting, this time a videoconference in which my wife also participated. As expected a lot of questions where asked to my wife about my behaviour and such. Both psychologists where again present and this time the second one also asked questions. This took about 2 hours. They told us that all data will be analysed and I will hear from then in some weeks (they might have given an exact date but i am not sure).

In about 3 weeks I received a phonecall from a third psychologist who happend to be the casemanager or something like that explaining me that they have enough data to diagnose me. Much to my surprise he told me they are sure I have a mild form of Autism Spectrum Disorder. I asked him, would you describe me as being an aspie if that was still an official diagnose which he confirmed. I wasn't too suprised this is the conclusion but the speed of it all really surprised me. I was expecting to get a phone call telling me what the next steps where going to be. I mean, I expected some more meetings, some tests like an intelligence test to see if I have a disharmonious intelligence profile (which I suspect and is often the case with aspergers). He told me it seems I don't really need support or anything as I seem to have it al lfigured out myself, found ways of coping and dealing with difficult situations, which is rather right. We got offered some kind of support group for me and my wife to meet other likewise couples. My wife and I agreed this could be useful and interesting and we are still waiting for an invitation for this so called course exsisting of 6 meetings guided by a psychologist. i am also still waiting for the formal diagnosis, they told me it will be send to me within 4 - 8 weeks. I am already waiting for 7 weeks.

I still don't know what to think of this. These people really came over as very professional. The non private institution is specialised in autism so who am I to doubt them but it's still psychology and there's still a voice inside me whispering psychology isn't a loving real science

edit - engrish is hard

Monstaland fucked around with this message at 09:56 on Oct 20, 2020

Monstaland
Sep 23, 2003

Dance Officer posted:

If you have any doubts, you can probably have them explain to you what they base their diagnosis on.

I was shocked that I got my diagnosis, and I thought I would be an edge case or something. But no, I was definitely autistic and hearing the evidence being presented wasn't pleasant but it did help.



Yeah well, i am still awaiting the formal diagnosis on paper. I might do that after I've received it. It's not that I am so shocked by the outcome - it was exactly what I was expecting. It's more that it really feels like I've diagnosed myself and they found it plausible and thus agreed with it. On the other hand, now that I am diagnosed i notice around me ( i mean on THE INTERNET) quite a lot of people who were diagnosed in a surprisingly short period of time too so I am not too sure what to think of it but yeah I will probably ask about it when i have the official report.

Monstaland
Sep 23, 2003

Yeah I overanalyse that stuff too. Also, or especially tone of voice, changes in speaking patterns, volume changes during speech and choice of words.

Monstaland
Sep 23, 2003

to get back on the topic of great aspie characters in series. Max´ persona in Parenthood is excellently crafted and acted. He really reminds me of myself when I was still a boy and teenager except that I don´t have that much problems with figurative speech and I am not really a math wizard (not at all). The show itself is kinda cheesy and melodramatic although me and my wife got used to that halway through the second season. I guess it´s not for everyone and I probably would´ve never watched it if it wasn´t partly about growing up with autism but that part is really good. Lot's of typical american family values being shoveled up your nose though but as I said I got used to it and even consider it endearing at some level. If I am correct it's from the same maker as Friday Night Lights and it has quite a couple of actors from that show.

Monstaland
Sep 23, 2003

Oh yeah but what about booze

Monstaland
Sep 23, 2003

People say “you’re autistic? Does that mean you take everything literally?”

And I’m like “nah, that’s kleptomaniacs”


Zzzing

Monstaland
Sep 23, 2003

I don't have problems recognizing faces as long I see then in the context I expect them to see. Meeting people outside the space I am used to meet them can cause some distress and confusion to say the least.

Monstaland
Sep 23, 2003

edit to reply to the poster above; i like to embrace the silence, the awkard micro situations. Welcome in the uncanny valley bitch, this is my home kind of stuff

I think NT's use smalltalk scripts too. It's an automated procedure though, instead of the manual labour we're stuck with

Monstaland fucked around with this message at 09:31 on Dec 6, 2021

Monstaland
Sep 23, 2003

I rarely get the "but you don't look autistic" but what I do hear more frequently is the "everyone is a bit autistic" crap. I always try to tell them; "nope, you just don't know what autism really means" or something similar and sometimes less polite or considerate. I don't mind to be blunt most of the time, everytime I hold back I regret it.

Monstaland fucked around with this message at 13:20 on Dec 24, 2021

Monstaland
Sep 23, 2003

It's pretty weird. I speak very robotic when I am unaware of my speech but on the flipside I am very sensitive to the tone of voice of others which has probably to do with the fact that I'm always busy with filtering out possible figurative meaning of their speech. Little abnormalities can result a feeling of hostility towards the person in question. Same goes for their prhaseology. I can get highly annoyed when I sense for example my wife picking up tones and words clearly being used in her previous conversations with for example her friends or collegues.

It' really tiresome at times but also gives me a pretty cool special interest. Words, entymology and related stuff

Shame I am not smart enough to convert all this into the English language, the language of my favorite website, a dead gay forum

Monstaland fucked around with this message at 10:50 on Feb 1, 2022

Monstaland
Sep 23, 2003

Dr.D-O posted:

I do the same thing, but to the extent that it's harmful sometimes. I'll be hyper-vigilante about how people are speaking, which can sometimes result in me picking up on a meaning that isn't there because the person who I'm listening to isn't being careful about the way they're speaking to me. It can be really frustrating.


Yeah I can really relate with this. I have the same in social settings, I have a hard time processing all the social dynamics going on in social groups larger than, well actually two persons. For example during a work related reception I can get really confused, annoyed or even hostile. People talk to you in a one on one situation entirely different they do in a larger setting. Attitutes towards you or others can change completely dependable on who enters or leave the social group. I can get really upset internally during such changes and I do pick up everything, small tones in voices, use of language, the sound of their laughter, sudden bravoure or any abnormality affected by the change in social composition. I do realise all this is very natural and part of human social behaviour but i cannot ignore it. It doesn't make me a very pleasant person during parties I guess. Alcohol does help though.

Monstaland fucked around with this message at 17:20 on Feb 4, 2022

Monstaland
Sep 23, 2003

I think you never should do that, they might just not be autistic or not know it yet, so best way is to somehow tell them about your autism if you really want to and see what happens from there

Monstaland
Sep 23, 2003

Do you have two seconds? While taking half a minute, still annoys me immensively

Monstaland
Sep 23, 2003

Pththya-lyi posted:

"Armchair diagnoses fictional characters as autistic" is such an autistic trait it should be in the DSM

sloan sabith from the newsroom anyone?

Monstaland
Sep 23, 2003

Power Wash Simulator is the poo poo

Monstaland
Sep 23, 2003

I am a very subtile secret stimmer. Exploring my teeth with my tongue in certain motions, chewing inner cheeks, flexing calf muscles and flexing my toe joints. My favourite one is flexing weird facial expressions when nobody is watching.

Monstaland
Sep 23, 2003

Since about age 12 I forced myself to write in capitals because my handwriting is terrible. Used to be pretty decent at drawing though.

Monstaland
Sep 23, 2003

Since my diagnosis two years ago I realise I avoid social interaction not purely because I suck at them but mostly because it cost me so much energy to think about. I mean very simple interaction like avoiding someone I vagely know while doing groceries. I now realise I don't do that because I am terrible at small talk (I can manage if it doesn't take too long and it can even be fun if I feel like coming over as slick and witty lol) but because the energy drain that is the entire process of acting like a pleasant and interested person and mostly the aftermath of ruminating on the encounter evaluating the entire conversation including the non verbal signals we both send out. It's so goddamn draining and I really don't want to spend afterward time thinking of futile chitchat with some dude I knew from elementary school.

Monstaland
Sep 23, 2003

Recently I decided to open up more about my private life after keeping poo poo for myself for about 45 years. Things like autism and my childhood (bipolar alcoholic dad who ended his own life eventually and my unstable not too bright mother). Most of the time I don't regret telling people about this kind of stuff but there are always some misserable shits who (indirectly ofcourse) respond with vibes like oh you think you are something very special don't you

I know I shouldn't waste energy on these assholes and they are always pretty dumb persons with bland lives and opinions but it can really bother me (mosly in hindsight when evaluating the social interaction in question which is what I do like a lot autistic people seem to do) and I am still doubting between personal vendetta, direct confrontation or just entirely ignore it because i am most of the time not a big baby.

Stoca Zola posted:

Personally, I can read social cues sometimes, I'm just not always sure what I'm supposed to do with the information.

Yeah, same for me.

Monstaland fucked around with this message at 09:11 on Jan 4, 2023

Monstaland
Sep 23, 2003

Dance Officer posted:

It's often a bit strange for me to read about the issues other autistic people have, because I'm atypical in a lot of ways, and have a hard time getting a grip on the fact that autism is a spectrum and our lived experiences can be vastly different.

Yes, I feel the same oftenly.

Not only reading about other autistics but for example right now I have some gaming sessions with an autistic kid living in my street. He's in his twenties and I am closing in on 50 and he decided to contact me after he discover I am autistic and like to play videogames.

We mostly play as a way to talk about autism through headsets (which was a big step for him). The things he struggle with coming from the same disorder are sometimes so wild to me. Stuff like not willing to play competitive online games like Fortnite because he can't handle the adrenaline rush and stress of battling actual real people. Or when discussing broader questions as "how do you deal with your disorder in real life?". He never considered the idea of embracing it , laughing about it and he's a pretty smart and articulate dude who just happened to get stuck in life after finishing highschool.

When I talk to him it feels like we have two completely different disorders.

Monstaland
Sep 23, 2003

I used to exploit the cringe, the awkwardness and as above poster correctly say, everyone does cringy poo poo in social situations. The problem oftenly is though (as i see it), we aren't as agile and smooth in such situations. But we are observative and well at least i am, very self aware. It's fun though to point out the weirdness, to remove the cover ups and make people laugh about it. About mine but even more about themselves.

I used to be like that and it made me someone people want at their parties, meetings of whatever social gatherings and girls where attracted or at least amused by the confidence in my weirdness but since I got older it got stale and tiresome. Not because people got tired (lot do) of it but because I start to wonder if that is all that I can be amongst people and sort of decided I rather be nobody than a clown.

E: engrish hard

Monstaland fucked around with this message at 10:02 on Feb 26, 2023

Monstaland
Sep 23, 2003

Yes, and in my experience if you are trying hard to adjust to social normality people still tend to distrust you because we aren't. Oftenly not even on a very conscious level but more in an uncanny valley kinda way.

Monstaland
Sep 23, 2003

I use inear noise canceling plugs and listen to podcasts or music while shopping (and sometimes sunglasses) but recently I found out ordering your groceries online is worth the extra costs!

Monstaland
Sep 23, 2003

I surely detect them easily and while I actually do feel a connection most of the time I seem to be more enthousiastic about the whole thing than said person. Does really fuel up my imposter syndrome which is always quickly temporary cured after some time with neurotypical people outside my own social circle

Monstaland
Sep 23, 2003

My mother and younger brother were almost completely indifferent but i am pretty sure they're both somewhere on the spectrum as well. They're just not very introspective, the type of people that do not spend much time evaluating their own thoughts and behaviour as far as i can see.

Monstaland
Sep 23, 2003

I love the cringe when well crafted. For example, Office UK is my favourite tv show. I learned to embrace the cringe but at the same time it's an everyday struggle to stop harrassing myself with flashbacks of cringes in recent rl situations

Monstaland
Sep 23, 2003

Same but Bruce Lee

Monstaland
Sep 23, 2003

I am father of two, a 2 year old daughter and a son of 6.

Oftenly it's hard. Especially all these social things that comes with being a father like interaction with other parents, teachers, birthdays, certain festivities etc but the way i feel connected with my children is something I never thought was possible for me and being with them sometimes make me feel like a normal person. Still it's oftenly just hard work and I certainly wouldn't be able to do it on my own, without their mother. It looks like they're not on the spectrum and neither is my wife.

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Monstaland
Sep 23, 2003

Dance Officer posted:

I was abused as a child by my parents and I think it's likely I'll be a repeat of them, as much as they were a repeat of their own parents. And all my aunts and uncles were a repeat of their parents.



My father was a bipolar (and maybe autistic) alcoholic who commited suicide eventually and my mother is probably autistic and maybe has ADHD with a lot of other stuff mixed in I can't even put my finger on. To me my youth was always an inspiration to be a much better parent than they could ever have been and eventhough early to say, i am doing pretty fine.

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