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jimmydalad posted:Considering how unpopular Jeremy Corbyn is, is it possible for Labour to win while he is in power? I don’t wanna be a negative nancy about it all, but I’m just worried He had terrible ratings in 2017 too 
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I don't even think it's "fair" reporting as much as he knows how to announce a polcy, the press report on it and say "oh my god how terrible" and everyone else goes "actually that sounds alright to me". It's reporting full stop, because the press can't not report poo poo. It's silence that kills the labour party more than anything.
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Miftan posted:Won't that just turn you into a monster that likes munching? If Socialist Kirby eats the rich, won't he BECOME the rich and thus have to eat himself? 
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He'll simply gain the powers of the rich, the "means", if you will, of production.
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jimmydalad posted:Considering how unpopular Jeremy Corbyn is, is it possible for Labour to win while he is in power? I don’t wanna be a negative nancy about it all, but I’m just worried The only polls that matter are exit polls unless they look really good for jc They really are loving useless and the more you dig into the methodology used- like the actual questions asked and how the survey was conducted- you can get a grasp of just how easily it is to manipulate the poll to produce a desired result.
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Yeah, if there is anything to learn over the past decade or so it's that the polling organisations do not understand how to do their loving jobs. Much like everything else it must be very hard for people of my parents generation, who grew up believing that the government functioned with adults at all points and everyone was doing their jobs etc, to have it revealed by twitter that most folks are just making it up as they go.
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feedmegin posted:He had terrible ratings in 2017 too Corbyn was at about -45% before the reporting rules kicked in for the 2017 election; now he's at what -76%? I'm not saying these polls necessarily matter but it does not make for good reading.
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Hentai Jihadist posted:I'm on holiday with my friends, we've been looking forward to it all year and all bar one of us are sick as hell. Finally, I understand what Brexit means.
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Rustybear posted:Corbyn was at about -45% before the reporting rules kicked in for the 2017 election; now he's at what -76%? Whilst this is true - Boris is rating far below Theresa May, so the RELATIVE gap is what matters as people have to vote for one of them. Or, Lib Dem and Brexit Party surge depending on what stage of Brexiting we are at. Who knows.
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Rustybear posted:Corbyn was at about -45% before the reporting rules kicked in for the 2017 election; now he's at what -76%? Don’t read Tory fan fiction
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Rustybear posted:Corbyn was at about -45% before the reporting rules kicked in for the 2017 election; now he's at what -76%?  POLLS!
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#libdemfightback
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VideoGames posted:It is time to reveal the backup plan. noooo 
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CGI Stardust posted:noooo This is one of the most amazing pictures I have seen. I am sorely tempted to make it my avatar 
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Sanitary Naptime posted:#libdemfightback well, that was 2017, but it was more to show what happens when the papers start.  This is the current one. https://imgur.com/yqDUwhZ Grey Hunter fucked around with this message at 09:28 on Oct 1, 2019 |
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Grey Hunter posted:
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VideoGames posted:This is one of the most amazing pictures I have seen. I am sorely tempted to make it my avatar I just found out Andrew Neil comes from Paisley. I’d say sorry, but I’m too angry to be sorry.
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The ability to stop brexit by putting Corbyn in power but refusing to do so has been noticed by a lot of them and it will hurt them if this all goes tits up. Their hope of being the continuity remain party won’t survive a no deal.
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gh0stpinballa posted:hopefully swinson's obvious agenda will serve to poison the enthusiasm of lib dem voters. already seeing some of them looking again at that voting record and putting 2 and 2 together. I suppose that's just a matter of how many lib dem voters are tories who hate brexit and how many actually don't want to kill the poor so house values increase
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Miftan posted:I suppose that's just a matter of how many lib dem voters are tories who hate brexit and how many actually don't want to kill the poor so house values increase what i think (hope) we'll find is lib dem supporters who are only there for the brexit culture war realising they've been had and that the lib dems are still the same party as before but with a thin smear of remain progressivism over the same old anti-left, tory-lite ugliness. the piss diamond cult is irredeemable but i think there are a fair few potential labour voters to scoop up there.
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Again it matters more if the split is between Tories who are LD leaning, Tories that go full BREXIT PARTY and Labour remains static. If Labour remains static/grows their vote proportion even slightly could it end up with a thumping majority?
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I hope also the climate protests might have got a few more young voters in, which polls typically ignore.
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gh0stpinballa posted:what i think (hope) we'll find is lib dem supporters who are only there for the brexit culture war realising they've been had and that the lib dems are still the same party as before but with a thin smear of remain progressivism over the same old anti-left, tory-lite ugliness. the piss diamond cult is irredeemable but i think there are a fair few potential labour voters to scoop up there. It's possible, I just worry a fair chunk of them will turn out to be Cameron-esque tories.
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OwlFancier posted:I hope also the climate protests might have got a few more young voters in, which polls typically ignore. We can but hope. Also, I think it's quite something that a lot of folks are now just getting bored of the Tories. They've been in charge now for about a decade and at that point everything starts experiencing some wear and tear.
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Grey Hunter posted:well, that was 2017, but it was more to show what happens when the papers start. The hope to take from this chart is that those yellow votes are far more likely to go red than blue.
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OwlFancier posted:I hope also the climate protests might have got a few more young voters in, which polls typically ignore. It's all anecdotal but I feel like my much younger brother's peer group are both much more political and much more left wing than I or my peer group were in uni.
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I mean anecdotal or not kids do not usually bunk off from school to go to mass protests so uh, it certainly suggests they're getting a lot more political.
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Josef bugman posted:Again it matters more if the split is between Tories who are LD leaning, Tories that go full BREXIT PARTY and Labour remains static. If Labour remains static/grows their vote proportion even slightly could it end up with a thumping majority? I ran the numbers on the moderate Tory votes lost to the LDs over Brexit. Assuming they hold true, then depending on distribution I would expect the Tories to lose around 50 seats in the best case (for them) and potentially as many as 200 in the worst case. Most likely losses are 80-100 though, so don't get tumescent just yet.
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Josef bugman posted:If we do lower the voting age to 16 I think the Tories will piss themselves inside out. We should definitely lower the voting age to 16.
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Josef bugman posted:We can but hope. Oh man you're giving me rage-flashbacks to when people were voting for Cameron because "it's the Tories' turn now" after however many years of Labour. A similar dynamic was at play among some voters the first time Erna Solberg was voted into power as well.
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Jedit posted:I ran the numbers on the moderate Tory votes lost to the LDs over Brexit. Assuming they hold true, then depending on distribution I would expect the Tories to lose around 50 seats in the best case (for them) and potentially as many as 200 in the worst case. Most likely losses are 80-100 though, so don't get tumescent just yet. I’ve been hard since 2017
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It's the revolution that's supposed to be permanent not your priapism.
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