facialimpediment posted:

I think it's basically time to say goodbye to Deadspin. It looks like today was the mass exodus day, where management tried to get the best writers and editors to move on. The best writers and editors did indeed move on, giving management the collective finger, telling them to get hosed, and quitting before the Hedge Bros completely took it over.

Suicide Watch posted:

The tragedy isn't Deadspin, it's Clickhole and the Onion which are under the same ownership structure. It's okay though, the talent are brilliant enough that they can start anew (it's not like start-up costs for blogs are that high). That said, in the meantime, we'll all bear witness to the decline of quality satire

Proud Christian Mom posted:

ReAl dEmoCrATs

https://twitter.com/justicedems/status/1189298921434222592?s=19

Milo and POTUS posted:

Who is the once and future king of the GOP they got lined up anyway

EBB posted:

hey the reagan library might burn down and that's pretty loving rad

bird cooch posted:

So just NAFTA then, right?


Also the intercept is garbage now. Might as well be posting redstate articles.

Acebuckeye13 posted:

Not really, we'd lose a ton of documentation of Reagan's crimes.

Crakkerjakk posted:

Uh, what? Why?

bird cooch posted:

Well the only time you see greenwald's who is the co-founder of the intercept is on Tucker or hannity defending the administration and Russia. Also they straight up outed reality winner.

C.M. Kruger posted:

He also supported the Iraq war but now denies ever doing so.

Internet Wizard posted:

Trump Presidential Library is gonna be something

Internet Wizard posted:

Trump Presidential Library is gonna be something

Internet Wizard posted:

I tried listening to Chapo Traphouse consistently and made it about two weeks before they had Greenwald on as a special guest and noped right out of there when he started spinning up his tankie takes on how great venezuela is.

Internet Wizard posted:

Trump Presidential Library is gonna be something

Casimir Radon posted:

I've seen good stuff from The Intercept. None of from Camrade Greenwald mind you.

Flying_Crab posted:

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1189715310766645254?s=21

This just aired during the World Series broadcast here in Milwaukee. 🤮

Internet Wizard posted:

Trump Presidential Library is gonna be something

Nostalgia4Dogges posted:

https://www.facebook.com/920743434636339/posts/2825158034194860?sfns=mo

Love the militarization of the police

Like look at that loving thing

Syrian Lannister posted:

Coloring books, Richard Scarey, Golden Books, and Dr Seuss

LongDarkNight posted:

Illustrated Mein Kampf.

quote:

Police blew up an innocent man’s house in search of an armed shoplifter. Too bad, court rules.

By
Meagan Flynn
Oct. 30, 2019 at 4:58 a.m. MDT
When they were finished, it looked as though the Greenwood Village, Colo., police had blasted rockets through the house.

Projectiles were still lodged in the walls. Glass and wooden paneling crumbled on the ground below the gaping holes, and inside, the family’s belongings and furniture appeared thrashed in a heap of insulation and drywall. Leo Lech, who rented the home to his son, thought it looked like al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden’s compound after the raid that killed him.

But now it was just a neighborhood crime scene, the suburban home where an armed Walmart shoplifting suspect randomly barricaded himself after fleeing the store on a June afternoon in 2015. For 19 hours, the suspect holed up in a bathroom as a SWAT team fired gas munition and 40-millimeter rounds through the windows, drove an armored vehicle through the doors, tossed flash-bang grenades inside and used explosives to blow out the walls.


The suspect was captured alive, but the home was utterly destroyed, eventually condemned by the City of Greenwood Village.

That left Leo Lech’s son, John Lech — who lived there with his girlfriend and her 9-year-old son — without a home. The city refused to compensate the Lech family for their losses but offered $5,000 in temporary rental assistance and for the insurance deductible.

Now, after the Leches sued, a federal appeals court has decided what else the city owes the Lech family for destroying their house more than four years ago: nothing.

On Tuesday, a three-judge panel for the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 10th Circuit unanimously ruled that the city is not required to compensate the Lech family for their lost home because it was destroyed by police while they were trying to enforce the law, rather than taken by eminent domain.


The Lechs had sued under the Fifth Amendment’s Takings Clause, which guarantees citizens compensation if their property is seized by the government for public use. But the court said that Greenwood Village was acting within its “police power” when it damaged the house, which the court said doesn’t qualify as a “taking” under the Fifth Amendment. The court acknowledged that this may seem “unfair,” but when police have to protect the public, they can’t be “burdened with the condition” that they compensate whomever is damaged by their actions along the way.

“It just goes to show that they can blow up your house, throw you out on the streets and say, ‘See you later. Deal with it,’ ” Leo Lech said in an interview with The Washington Post on Tuesday. “What happened to us should never happen in this country, ever.”

Leo Lech said he is considering appealing to the U.S. Supreme Court. Police must be forced to draw the line at some point, he said — preferably before a house is gutted — and be held accountable if innocent bystanders lose everything as a result of the actions of law enforcement.


In a statement to The Post, a spokeswoman for Greenwood Village said the city never refused to help the Lechs, saying the family was “very well insured” and refused the $5,000 assistance for out-of-pocket expenses before insurance kicked in. The spokeswoman, Melissa Gallegos, applauded the 10th Circuit’s ruling.

“The house was being used as a barricade, and the damage done to it was to remove the barricade and get the gunman out without any loss of life," Gallegos said. "That is not a use of another’s property under eminent domain, but a use of another’s property during a police emergency.”

In June 2015, the standoff at Lech’s suburban Denver home captivated and alarmed the public, as their house at the end of the street, one located by a baseball field complex and a park, suddenly turned into a quasi-war zone.


The suspect, Robert Jonathan Seacat, had stolen a shirt and a couple of belts from a Walmart in neighboring Aurora, Colo., and then fled in a Lexus, according to a police affidavit. A police officer pursued him in a high-speed chase until Seacat parked his car near a light rail station, hopped a nearby fence leading to the interstate, and then crossed five lanes of traffic on foot. He climbed the fence on the other side — and then, shortly thereafter, came upon the Lech residence.

A 9-year-old boy, John Lech’s girlfriend’s son, was home alone at the time, waiting for his mom to return from the grocery store, Lech said. He told police he was watching YouTube videos in his room when he heard the alarm trip, according to the affidavit. He emerged to find a man walking up the stairs, holding a gun. “He said, ‘I don’t want to hurt anybody. I just want to get away,' " Lech said. Minutes later, the boy walked out of the house unharmed.

Seacat then began searching the house for car keys. But by the time he got in the car parked in Lech’s garage, police had pulled into the driveway. Seacat fired a shot at them through the garage, the affidavit says.


Thus began the 19-hour standoff.

“They proceed to destroy the house — room by room, by room, by room,” Lech said. “This is one guy with a handgun. This guy was sleeping. This guy was eating. This guy was just hanging out in this house. I mean, they proceeded to blow up the entire house.”

SWAT officers attempted to enter the home on one occasion but retreated after believing they heard Seacat fire several rounds. After other tactics, including tear gas, robots and police negotiations, repeatedly failed, SWAT officers tried again to enter the home at 8:21 the next morning. They found him holed up in a bathroom with a stash of drugs, where he was disarmed and arrested.

When the Lech family was allowed back on the property to retrieve their belongings, they were aghast at what they found.

John Lech, his girlfriend and her son moved in with Leo Lech and his wife, who lived 30 miles away, requiring John to change jobs. The $5,000 offered by the city “was insulting,” Leo Lech said.


His expenses to rebuild the house and replace all its contents cost him nearly $400,000, he said. While insurance did cover structural damage initially, his son did not have renter’s insurance and so insurance did not cover replacement of the home’s contents, and he says he is still in debt today from loans he took out.

“This has ruined our lives,” he said.

Gallegos stressed that any large expenses Lech incurred are because he chose to do more than necessary, and chose to “repour the foundation that wasn’t damaged, and [build] a bigger better house where the old one stood.” Lech insisted starting from scratch was necessary.

Previously, police have defended their actions during the standoff.

“My mission is to get that individual out unharmed and make sure my team and everyone else around including the community goes home unharmed,” Greenwood Village Police Commander Dustin Varney said in 2015, KUSA reported. “Sometimes that means property gets damaged, and I am sorry for that.”


State and federal courts have ruled differently in cases involving innocent homeowners caught in deadly police raids, although the 10th Circuit was more persuaded by courts ruling in police’s favor.

Lech’s lawyers pointed to a 1991 Minnesota case in which the state Supreme Court sided with a woman whose house was damaged by police with tear gas as they sought to apprehend a suspect. In a 1980 Houston case, the Texas Supreme Court sided with a couple whose home was badly damaged as police sought to apprehend three suspects who barricaded themselves inside.

In that case, the Texas court turned up its nose at the principle the 10th Circuit stuck to so closely in its ruling: that unless a government’s action is clearly labeled “eminent domain,” citizens aren’t entitled to compensation if the police destroy their property as a matter of business.


“This court has moved beyond the earlier notion that the government’s duty to pay for taking property rights is excused by labeling the taking as an exercise of police powers,” the Texas court wrote at the time.

Today, the Leches’ Greenwood Village home has been rebuilt. Lech says he is dipping into his 401(k) to afford the legal battle but intends to continue as long as he is able. He says he thinks he has too much bad luck to make it to the Supreme Court but believes that someone else like him will get there.

“This can’t go on in this country,” he said. “There has to be a limit. There has to be accountability.”

Flying_Crab posted:

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1189601417469841409?s=21

Bolow posted:

Casimir Radon posted:

I LIKE PEOPLE WHO DON'T GET CAPTURED!

ded posted:

He was never captured.

bengy81 posted:

I can't listen to it regularly, but Chapo is a good once or twice a month listen. Also Felix would be a better Cumtown host than any of the Cumtown dudes.

In real news, this sure is wild:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/10/30/police-blew-up-an-innocent-mans-house-search-an-armed-shoplifter-too-bad-court-rules/

bengy81 posted:

I can't listen to it regularly, but Chapo is a good once or twice a month listen. Also Felix would be a better Cumtown host than any of the Cumtown dudes.

In real news, this sure is wild:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/10/30/police-blew-up-an-innocent-mans-house-search-an-armed-shoplifter-too-bad-court-rules/