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luxury handset posted:i'm kind of done with this thread after the op's "How bad is nicotine addiction, really?" post if you had a choice if your grandpa smoked cigs or a vape, what would you prefer?
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luxury handset posted:there is no conspiracy, you are simply factually incorrect are you against safe-injection sites for opiate addicts?
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Oct 3, 2019 13:34
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Can you answer any of my questions? Would you rather have a family member of yours vape or smoke cigarettes? Quitting isn't an option in this scenario. Most adult smokers will never be able to quit. Studies have said its harder to quit than HEROIN. I appreciate your enthusiasm against big business, its coming from the right place. But drat man, this is not the fight. Life isn't always "All or nothing", if we can get more smokers to vape, thats a big loving win for everyone. Its the same for literal heroin. Its better to give them safe injection sites to lower the risks than to say "quit or die".
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Oct 3, 2019 17:22
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I'm not going to make any claims about seat-belt equipped vehicles being safer than non seat-belt equipped vehicles. The jury is still out. What if I got stuck in the seat-belt and drowned, huh. Smart guy?!? There is no difference in safety, you fool, you literal idiot.
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Oct 3, 2019 19:08
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Herstory Begins Now posted:It's possible to work on two issues at once. What is more important, keeping the market open for a safer nicotine smoking system for current adult cigarettes smokers who are going to get cancer fast, or to prevent children from getting interested in a safer nicotine smoking system? edit: And for context, I'm an ex-smoker who quit on my own, thinks vaping is ridiculous and embarrassing, and thinks tobacco should probably be banned for the good of the country. But I am also practical and would much rather have a family member vape than smoke. I've had more than enough people in my family die of cancer.
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Oct 4, 2019 02:54
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evilweasel posted:This thread started up in part because of some vapers ranting about how banning flavored vaping fluid was a big tobacco/trump plot instead of a straightforward ban on targeting children. Did anyone say they wouldnt support banning flavoured vapes? I'd be fine with that.
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Oct 4, 2019 03:20
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Herstory Begins Now posted:IMO it's loving insane that we have let almost 30% of high school kids become regular users of vapes, which as established above, are wrt addictive potential overwhelmingly functionally identical to cigarettes. do you think the best solution to the youth using vapes is totally banning of vapes or some kind of special restrictions not currently in the market?
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Oct 5, 2019 00:43
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So take back everything we've ever said about vaping being safer. Turns out inhaling anything is going to give you cancer. New study that just came out. I am hoping to hear some more about who paid for the research and if there isn't something funny hear (because it doesn't make much sense to me scientifically). Its very prelimary research but should vape smoke causing a 4000% increase in the rate of lung cancer versus the control group. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/07/e-cigarettes-cause-lung-cancer-in-mice-finds-first-study-tying-vaping-to-cancer.html
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Oct 9, 2019 03:23
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luxury handset posted:
If your grandma had to smoke something, and you could get her to choose between regular cigarettes or a vape, are you telling me you would just say "ehh who knows if its really any safer?"
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Oct 23, 2019 21:24
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luxury handset posted:suboxone is a recognized treatment used for opiate addiciton though Can you answer my question? If your grandma had to smoke something, and you could get her to choose between regular cigarettes or a vape, are you telling me you would just say "ehh who knows if its really any safer?"
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Oct 24, 2019 15:20
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WrenP-Complete posted:But people who didn't use THC carts had vitamin E in their lungs... Maybe they bought lovely "CBD oil" from a gas station. Or they don't remember using a weed cart. Or they took a friends by accident. Or they did but cant admit it because of XYZ. There is no evidence so far of any tainted nicotine carts from stores.
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Nov 9, 2019 15:05
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WrenP-Complete posted:They haven't analyzed all the data from the sick people yet. They are pointing to a common source. We have a history of ten years of regular nicotine vape use that has not shown these results. We have a history of 1-2 years with THC carts en masse and virtually all the cases its already confirmed they were used.
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Tim Raines IRL posted:I don't really know what happened over the last couple pages, but it seems pretty obvious that you can adulterate nic vape carts with vitamin E acetate, also seems painfully obvious that Juul doesn't give a gently caress about user safety, also seems painfully obvious that there are any number of counterfeit Juul or other nic pods out there which may share production lines with other black market products... Have you considered that even the few people who hypothetically are being honest about not using THC carts, may have been using lovely black market CBD carts? We still have found no nicotine carts with the Vit A in them.
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