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 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t433PEQGErc After his raucous debut over a decade ago in 2008’s The Dark Knight, the DC villain known only as The Joker finally has his own film. After ten years of being known mostly as the boyfriend of Harley Quinn, DC seems ready to give this enigmatic antivillain his own solo movie at last. Director Todd Phillips, previously known for his films A Serbian Film, Man Bites Dog, and The Hangover Part II, is bringing this character to life with the help of rapper-turned-actor Joaquin Phoenix. While a bold choice, it seems to have paid off - Joker won the Golden Lion at the Venice Film Festival, their highest honor and successor to the Mussolini Cup. In this thread, you can discuss the film, its novelization, and its tie-in toys and video game. You can discuss the surprise cameo by the new Batman, Armie Hammer. You can also discuss the society we live in. FAQ When can I see Joker? Joker will be available via the DC Universe streaming service on October 4th, and will arrive on DVD and Blu-ray three months later. Do I need to have seen any other films to understand this one? Joker is part of the DC Animated Films universe and as such it is highly encouraged that you have seen its predecessors: Justice League vs. the Fatal Five, Teen Titans GO! to the Movies, and the animated adaptation of The Killing Joke. Will there be a mass shooting at a screening of Joker? There is no need to worry, the only people with guns in the theaters will be cops. Why did you make a thread for the movie that will assuredly have the most poisonous discourse of any flick for years? I need to be punished for my crimes. Pirate Jet fucked around with this message at 02:49 on Oct 4, 2019 |
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Saw it tonight, I enjoyed it. Was amused that they managed to shoehorn the Wayne murders into the movie
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Oct 4, 2019 02:55
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I took a post-grad course in postwar soviet cinematography and the Joker is the darkest film I have ever seen.
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Oct 4, 2019 03:14
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My Personal Top 10 Joker Performances- 1. Mark Hammill (Batman The Animated Series and 3/4 of the Batman Arkham Video Games). 2. Heath Ledger (Dark Knight). 3. Jack Nicholson (Batman 1989). 4. Troy Baker (Batman Arkham Origins). 5. Joaquin Phoenix (the 2019 movie). 6. Kevin Michael Richardson (The Batman cartoon series). 7. Cesar Romero (1960s Batman). 8. Christopher Corey Smith (Lego Batman video games). 9. Zach Galifianakis (Lego Batman Movie). 10. Brent Spiner (Young Justice). Cameron Monaghan (Gotham), Jared Leto (Suicide Squad), and Jeff Bennett (Batman Brave & The Bold) are Honorable Mentions at best.
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Oct 4, 2019 03:24
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how good are the jokes
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Oct 4, 2019 04:00
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If you want a vision of the future, imagine a clown shoe stamping on a human face - forever.
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Oct 4, 2019 04:06
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That was darker than I expected. I didn’t expect the movie to be about class divides. It was a little heavy handed but that’s needed these days so whatever. I liked it and would like to see it again.
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Oct 4, 2019 04:14
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The Joker goes into complete “we live in a society” mode in the last 20 minutes. Also Joker in this movie is dumb as gently caress. I could only see him succeeding out of sheer luck
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Oct 4, 2019 04:20
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SeANMcBAY posted:That was darker than I expected. I didn’t expect the movie to be about class divides. It was a little heavy handed but that’s needed these days so whatever. I liked it and would like to see it again. Like how dark are we talking here? Is there another movie that compares, just so I know what I might be getting to tomorrow...
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Oct 4, 2019 04:26
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How did the writers and director get away with stealing the plot to The King of Comedy.
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Oct 4, 2019 04:28
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By the time Bruce becomes Batman, Joker will be an old man Actually a little touch I liked about Bruce was the quick shot of him sliding down the pole on his playground just like 60s Batman thepokey fucked around with this message at 05:17 on Oct 4, 2019 |
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Oct 4, 2019 04:32
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A Guy Fawkes mask, but with clown greasepaint smeared across its eyes and mouth. Also the American flag stenciled over it in black and white with a blue line down the middle.
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Oct 4, 2019 04:53
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Desperado Bones posted:Like how dark are we talking here? Is there another movie that compares, just so I know what I might be getting to tomorrow... Taxi Driver and King of Comedy dark. The movie seems to be obviously inspired by both.
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Oct 4, 2019 05:24
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SeANMcBAY posted:Taxi Driver dark. It literally is just a Taxi Driver/ King of Comedy rip-off. Or at least it makes gestures towards being that type of film. It actually has nothing to say.
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Oct 4, 2019 05:25
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Judakel posted:It literally is just a Taxi Driver/ King of Comedy rip-off. Or at least it makes gestures towards being that type of film. It actually has nothing to say. It’s probably not a coincidence that DeNiro was cast in this.
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Oct 4, 2019 05:27
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SeANMcBAY posted:Taxi Driver and King of Comedy dark. The movie seems to be obviously inspired by both. Oh nice. Yeah, the King of Comedy inspiration seems to be the more blatant one.
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Oct 4, 2019 05:27
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SeANMcBAY posted:Taxi Driver and King of Comedy dark. The movie seems to be obviously inspired by both. It's like if someone saw these movies, missed the point, and ended up making Death Wish with a clown.
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Oct 4, 2019 05:27
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We survived our viewing. No one was murdered. Whew. I kept getting Taxi Driver vibes from this as well. And I really enjoyed seeing it with an audience. People were gasping, awwing, and what the loving a whole ton because they were probably expecting some other movie.
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Oct 4, 2019 05:44
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ghostinmyshell posted:We survived our viewing. No one was murdered. Yeah there were kids in my showing. Like actual kids, not just 15-17yr olds...cinema was obviously super lax with that and I can only assume they expected a very different movie. Or the parents that took them did.
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Oct 4, 2019 05:51
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In hindsight, it was pretty brave for them to show full frontal male nudity just for the sake of the clown wig merkin gag.
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Oct 4, 2019 05:52
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I just watched Taxi Driver a few weeks ago and I did not get Taxi Driver vibes from it beyond the aesthetic of grungy post-prosperity New York. Arthur Peck and Travis Bickle have almost nothing in common that you couldn't also say about a dozen other antiheroes.
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Oct 4, 2019 05:53
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SeANMcBAY posted:It’s probably not a coincidence that DeNiro was cast in this. Yeah he essentially plays Jerry Lewis's role.
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Oct 4, 2019 05:58
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just another posted:I just watched Taxi Driver a few weeks ago and I did not get Taxi Driver vibes from it beyond the aesthetic of grungy post-prosperity New York. Arthur Peck and Travis Bickle have almost nothing in common that you couldn't also say about a dozen other antiheroes. You might not see it but everyone else does. Have you seen King of Comedy? The film basically outright says that the Joker is just De Niro's character from both these films. Scorcese should have gotten a credit.
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Oct 4, 2019 06:10
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I sympathise with the character of Joker. Just like him I also wanted to be dead an hour and a half in to this movie
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Oct 4, 2019 06:13
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Obstacle2 posted:You might not see it but everyone else does. Have you seen King of Comedy? Haven't watched King of Comedy, no. I also see the superficial similarities but it breaks down at any deeper level. Bickle hates Palantine because he's the other man in Betsy's life. Arthur hates Thomas Wayne because he's another source of rejection and derision, albeit a more intimate one because of his mother's claims. Arthur knows he's mentally ill. Bickle doesn't. Arthur cares for his mother. Bickle lives alone. Bickle thinks he's saving someone. Arthur doesn't. Arthur wants to make connections with people. Bickle isolates himself. Bickle hates degeneracy. Arthur hates impoliteness. Bickle is a tourist to the seedy underbelly of the city. Arthur is victimized by it. Bickle fantasizes about taking control through violence and rehearses acts of violence. Arthur is almost always acting spontaneously and without foresight; he becomes increasingly violent because he sees that he's rewarded for it. The only thing he rehearses or fantasizes about are adulation, affirmation and suicide. Bickle sets out to kill Palantine, and is thwarted. Arthur sets out to reconcile with Wayne. Bickle may be delusional but the audience knows what's happening. Everything in Joker comes with a disclaimer. Taxi Driver ends with Bickle narrowly surviving and affirmed by legitimate society as a hero. Joker ends with Arthur embracing life as a monster. The similarities begin and end with them being violent, self-destructive white dudes set against a backdrop of urban decay, with a progressive politician as a story focus. It's not an interesting or accurate analysis. It'd be like calling Scream a lazy ripoff of Halloween.
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Oct 4, 2019 06:54
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Warner Brothers marketing strategy of making people think this movie would cause a wave of violence was really brilliant. Nothing brings people to the theaters more than when they think a film is “dangerous.” Midnight showings are through and not a single disturbance.
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Oct 4, 2019 07:14
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I enjoyed this movie, but I think I respected it more than I actually liked it. Every mistake it made either fixed itself in the film or after I though about it more. Spoilers for absolutely everything. So don't read. For example: The biggest mistake was that the love interest piece was forced and unrealistic, but that's how a love interest is in every movie so I let it slide because movies suck. But then you learn that it's just another one of Arthur's false memories at the same time he learns it himself. It worked out well because all of his other daydreams/false memories were portrayed quickly, and as if he was at least partially aware of them. So the film fixed itself because it was never really broken from that aspect. I originally didn't like the Murray Live scene either because Joker wasn't the menacing presence I thought he would be at that point. He's nervous, and it looks like a loser trying to pull of a Joker type stunt. But that probably makes the scene better because he's not completely gone yet, and he is just a loser trying to pull off a Joker type stunt. I didn't feel like he was the Joker until the very last scene, but I like the potential version that I imagined. I get the impression that Arthur has come to believe that his actions have no real consequences to him because he understands his illness and accepts that he can never really know if anything he does is actually happening in reality. The Human Crouton fucked around with this message at 07:18 on Oct 4, 2019 |
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Oct 4, 2019 07:14
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achtungnight posted:My Personal Top 10 Joker Performances- Respectable top 4 but I can't abide by a list that implies KMR's Batman to be better than Bennett's. Also, DiMaggio (Red Hood) and Ingruber (Telltale Games) are my picks for underrated Jokers
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Oct 4, 2019 07:35
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Jared Leto’s Joker was really fitting for the Gen Z crowd.
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Oct 4, 2019 07:39
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just another posted:Haven't watched King of Comedy, no. The similarities are in mood, tone, atmosphere, etc. It is derivative to the point of plagiarism.
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Oct 4, 2019 07:49
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Judakel posted:The similarities are in mood, tone, atmosphere, etc. It is derivative to the point of plagiarism. Uh huh. Well, universalize those principles and let me know which films survive scrutiny. Calling a movie derivative in "mood, tone, atmosphere" is meaningless to me. It sounds like you're reinventing the concept of genre.
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Oct 4, 2019 08:07
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Obstacle2 posted:You might not see it but everyone else does. Have you seen King of Comedy? Scorsese was working on production of this movie, he left to focus on The Irishman.
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Oct 4, 2019 08:38
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joaquin phoenix saved the movie from being terrible. i think he was absolutely incredible. normally i'm not really impressed by actors doing radical diets or workouts to change their body for a role (especially with how dangerous it can be) but with phoenix i think it worked because his clothes would hang off him weirdly sometimes. when he had his shirt off it was painful to watch him and it almost looked like his body was in agony. it had a lot of contrasts, which was good but it was also really conflicted and inconsistent in ways it didn't mean to be. i was mad that it could have been much, much, much better if it hadn't taken itself so seriously in thinking it also had to say something. i mean the main character's name is Art how corny is that?
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Oct 4, 2019 09:07
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just another posted:Uh huh. Well, universalize those principles and let me know which films survive scrutiny. the entire marketing of the movie focused on the parallels. the genre is 'scorcese movie'.
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Oct 4, 2019 10:41
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man i didnt like the shoehorned comic book references (the alley, joker bloodsmile), while i assume other people loved them/wanted more. anyway this movie felt too centrist
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Oct 4, 2019 13:19
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Not Al-Qaeda posted:man i didnt like the shoehorned comic book references (the alley, joker bloodsmile), while i assume other people loved them/wanted more. yeah stuffing the comic references in at the end hurt it. they could have left it without and it still works and comes off as a proto-joker origin. thin blue whine fucked around with this message at 13:40 on Oct 4, 2019 |
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Oct 4, 2019 13:38
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How many times does Mr. Phoenix get noticeably erect
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Oct 4, 2019 13:49
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just another posted:Uh huh. Well, universalize those principles and let me know which films survive scrutiny. It sounds like you haven't compared these two films. Genre is largely a fiction anyway, so the idea that we need to stick by some arbitrary standards is absurd. Mood, tone, and atmosphere can all be very specific to a film and when considered together. If that is meaningless to you, then you should probably watch movies a little more closely. Farm Frenzy posted:the entire marketing of the movie focused on the parallels. the genre is 'scorcese movie'. From the 1970s, to be exact.
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Oct 4, 2019 19:13
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 that the fbi might be reading this thread.I might go tonight to see it, a few of the goods goons are saying are catching my curiosity.
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It's literally king of comedy meets taxi driver with batman poo poo shoehorned in made for the endlessly quote fight club crowd. I still don't get the point of it but at least it's the best thing DC has done in general so.. Neat.
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