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That was a neat watch because it was different from anything out there in a while, but while I had fun the movie wasn't quite the masterpiece I think it tried for. I honestly am amazed by the reactionary panic on both sides for a movie that just kind of, seemed undeserving. It also was just slow and after a few initial uncomfortable drawn out scenes I was kind of over it. Him not being someone trying to start a movement was kind of really cool, but Thomas Wayne being the most loving 1% hack written gently caress the poor because they're clowning around sort of made that whole thing jarring to me.
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JOHN SKELETON posted:
Did not notice at the time but good observation and did he not report that to the cops? Him I guess being afraid the little person not giving notice to the cops could be why, but nothing being mentioned as how it was not an issue for his TV appearance bothered me. Both are solved though if the comedic beat was quickly blindsided by him killing the dude just suddenly and coldly.
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It to me had a background plot, which could have been done better imo, that was not some socialist or political argument like people keep saying but literally about how people are just projecting their political fears or frustration on loving anything remotely possible including murders with no indication at all as motivated by income or by someone struggling. He literally says on television, which I suppose was already after the riot happened but if meant to be significant sort of has to mean it was watched by people beyond the protest, that no not about that at all. To anyone not in the group of clown mask rioters holding him up as their revolution of just murder savior, it's a dude who loving flat said specifically it's not about any of that and what is was about. So it ends with these people holding up an icon destroying everything around them, with no meaning or even basis in what they are projecting their feelings or belief on (which personally that revolution looked undeniably not ending with a better Gotham but even if so, is exalting what is just their perception and trigger for what they already feel). It did not even feel like calling out uh the left or socialists or whoever to me, since while that violence is bad it clearly showed that people are struggling. Times are hard with a real issue shown by Thomas Wayne the most hack written strawman wealthy person to ever hate the poor for being poor and in pain for reasons. It bothered me beyond that hey this plot isn't well connected or carrying consistently, since him being a dick is fine given Gotham is usually shown as lovely due to corruption with some takes also showing how the people trying to change that like Thomas Wayne died or left long ago. Him as failing because he sucked yet clearly bigly thought he was the only one who could save Gotham is a different idea which is cool. He just did not talk like people or how even the "poor are lovely and anyone upset about that is lovely" people talk, which I need to find a quote because it's really just awkwardly fitting in the clown comment. Still, one other aspect to remember is that those rich guys were dicks and I forget if killing them wasn't needed self-defense or dudes just really beating the poo poo out of him, but no one in the movie actually know that and only celebrated that three rich men died without any sign of reason they deserved or needed to. It very clearly to me showed the insanity of our time caused by actual abuse we just turn blind eyes to or the real hardships just pushing us crazier out here getting more and more heated until we see it in everything and snap. Hysteria to the movie about the white violent male incel inspirational life changing movie sort of added to this. Yes, that can be seen to a degree but him feeling victimized is given a dozens reasons, zero connected to a sense that him being white or the downturn of his city was caused by the things that would have been. He does not pursue sex, mention it, show interest in it, or even have a well written plot about the fake girlfriend with any sexual aspect included. Connection was the most desperately wanted thing by him I could see implied, but they had in his mind really a physically non-intimate way around each other. When she vanishes in a weak twist that doesn't even feel like that much of a motivating factor for someone already snapping, he isn't virgin rage or ever brings up how she doesn't want him in his why I did this speech. Inspiring a shooting? Sure, I can understand fears due to Aurora or the subject and Taxi Driver was the clear inspiration even if the shooting that inspired seems more complicated than Taxi Driver being dangerous. Incels aren't all mentally ill though I assume that contributes to a lot of them, and like the movie says, people glossed over the mentally ill part straight to seeing incel threat or clear socialist class uprising when that wasn't his story even if all happening. "Better the blind man who pisses out the window than the joker who told him it was a urinal. Know who the joker is? It's everybody." is a line that I think was important, since just everyone is seeing their hero the incel/gamer/Robespierre and telling it enough that anyone ignorant who has no reason/ability to doubt them is better than those causing a dude to get piss not in the piss place. So yeah poorly done and my view from watching, which I'm not claiming is right as how the director intended or that it is the only view. This won't matter but to be clear, this is how I took the film's view but I'm trying not to personal political beliefs or judgement, just observation that things getting escalated and heated up. "Everybody just yells and screams at each other. Nobody's civil anymore. Nobody thinks what it's like to be the other guy." "I killed those guys because they were awful. Everybody is awful these days. It's enough to make anyone crazy." Oh god I made a long post about a polarizing movie. Bottom text.
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