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Colonel Whitey
May 22, 2004

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Tenzarin posted:

I will give this a shot but it is written by David Lindelof.

That’s the only reason I’m looking forward to it

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Colonel Whitey
May 22, 2004

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Lmao that is certainly an opinion

Colonel Whitey
May 22, 2004

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The IRL 7th Cavalry were also famous for Custer’s last stand and the massacre at Wounded Knee so there’s also the genocidal angle.

Colonel Whitey
May 22, 2004

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Antifa Turkeesian posted:

Rorschach’s journal as the Turner Diaries of that world sounds like a nice touch.

drat, I also thought of Turner Diaries as I was watching this. Pilot rocked, I can’t wait for the next one. I just finished binging through the Leftovers, so I guess Lindelof shows are my new obsession. I should re watch Lost sometime.

Colonel Whitey
May 22, 2004

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What was the response from the police officers to the Latin “who watches the watchmen?”

Colonel Whitey
May 22, 2004

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I don't really like Reznor much but the score is actually quite good and I'm all for it being mixed loud as gently caress during the more intense scenes.

Colonel Whitey
May 22, 2004

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The show is going to be five seasons to fit with the five acts, book it

Colonel Whitey
May 22, 2004

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Was president Redford from the books or some kind of supplemental material? I don't remember that, I thought it was a show invention.

Colonel Whitey
May 22, 2004

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The kids at the dinner table are reciting the presidents, and I believe they said Bush just before Redford. Which would mean Redford was elected when Clinton was in our timeline. I can't remember if they said Reagan though. Man, I need to watch the pilot again, so many details.

Colonel Whitey
May 22, 2004

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Ah, I was worried this show wouldn't be provocative enough to enrage the sad contingent of Alan Moore fanboys, but I'm glad to see I was wrong!

Colonel Whitey
May 22, 2004

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By all accounts from the reviewers who have seen the first 6 episodes, yeah there’s more to it than what we see in the pilot.

Colonel Whitey
May 22, 2004

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I’m kind of tired of shows trying their hardest to twist and misdirect so I hope he’s just Veidt and Manhattan will come into play in some other way.

Colonel Whitey
May 22, 2004

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Even discounting time fuckery, Dr Manhattan can also be in multiple places at once, like that scene where he’s banging Laurie and working on a machine at the same time

E: someone already pointed this out, guess I should read more carefully

Colonel Whitey fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Oct 23, 2019

Colonel Whitey
May 22, 2004

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I fuckin love Lost and Prometheus and laugh at all the haters

Colonel Whitey
May 22, 2004

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Midgetskydiver posted:

Lost is poo poo after season 1 because Lindelof just made poo poo up as he went and instead of wrapping anything up he just did exactly what creative but intellectually lazy people do and gave up with a minimal effort to conclude everything. "It was just about the characters" makes George Lucas's horseshit about rhyming seem insightful by comparison.

This show will likely follow Lindelof's set pattern of interesting scenarios and good characterization combined with a plot that grows more complex, introducing more "twists" and unknowns, then it will end suddenly with all / most questions unresolved. The plot not making sense or not playing out will be overlooked due to a few characters getting emotional but obviously tacked on endings.

lol

^me laughing at a hater

Colonel Whitey
May 22, 2004

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People who bang on constantly about plot resolution are the most tedious people to discuss art with

Colonel Whitey
May 22, 2004

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Here’s Lindelof on the issue of making cops seem sympathetic. I think it’s a good answer, I’m intrigued to see where the show takes it.

https://www.npr.org/2019/10/22/771998690/watchmen-creator-damon-lindelof-not-talking-about-race-felt-irresponsible

quote:

On whether he had reservations about portraying police as victims of violence

Yeah absolutely. And I think that a lot of our creative process was based on, "we have real reservations about this." And I think that there's certainly a concern coming into the first episode, that the show is essentially saying you're supposed to feel for the cops, or you're supposed to buy that cops and white supremacists are two separate entities, and that there's no overlap in between, when we all know that the real world is much messier than that. That said, I feel like that the show doesn't take a position of being pro-cop or anti-cop. I think that because it's taking place in an alternate history, the question that it's really asking is, what makes someone want to be a cop, and what is the idea of the law, and what's the line between the administration of the law and vigilantism.

Colonel Whitey
May 22, 2004

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I’m pretty skeptical of Irons=Manhattan but one big clue that lends credence to the theory is that fade from the starry night to the beach. This could indicate the Irons scene takes place elsewhere in the cosmos. Either way it was a brilliant panning dissolve.

Colonel Whitey
May 22, 2004

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I definitely think he’s trying to create a new dr Manhattan that he can control

Colonel Whitey
May 22, 2004

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There was a loving split diopter shot in this episode and I’m here for that de Palma poo poo

Colonel Whitey
May 22, 2004

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Zmej posted:

"i'm here to tell you the mystery in piecemeal in vague statements"

This is how literally every mystery story ever written works. Sounds like you just don’t like mysteries at all

Colonel Whitey
May 22, 2004

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Lost got too deep into the weeds on the sci fi lore stuff but it was still good fun even toward the end. It probably watches better now if you have realistic expectations and aren’t waiting week to week talking about it with your coworkers and whatnot. Still not sure if I liked the ending. The only thing I really didn’t like was killing off Locke and having his body be possessed for the rest of the show. I liked Locke’s character and they did him dirty.

Colonel Whitey
May 22, 2004

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Prometheus was good and there were like seven writers on Cowboys and Aliens, including notable hacks Orci and Kurtzman

Colonel Whitey
May 22, 2004

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It’s always weird when someone is intent on continuing to watch and discuss a show they’re not enjoying. If after 2 of 9 episodes you are really not enjoying it, it’s not likely to turn around for you so why not cut your losses instead of watching another 7 hours of something you dislike?

Colonel Whitey
May 22, 2004

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I guess it wasn’t definitively clear but it looked to me like it was hovering over some kind of magnetic metal platform.

Colonel Whitey
May 22, 2004

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Speaking of, I wonder what Donald J Trump is up to in this timeline

Colonel Whitey
May 22, 2004

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I need a bigger font than this forum provides to type a yikes big enough for that post

Colonel Whitey
May 22, 2004

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Here’s a can of worms for the thread: how do y’all pronounce Veidt? The way I say it it rhymes with “white” but I just watched a video where the guy kept saying “Veet”

Colonel Whitey
May 22, 2004

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AccountSupervisor posted:

Considering Lori is in the show, I wouldnt be surprised if it was Dan rescuing Will at the end of the episode and we will get a surprise cameo/appearance by an aged Nite Owl II himself.

This occurred to me too. He’d be what, in his 60s or maybe even 70s? I guess around the same age as Laurie and Veidt

Colonel Whitey
May 22, 2004

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This video proposes some interesting theories (predicated on Will being HJ). I like his observation that if Will is HJ then the entire masked hero phenomenon is a direct response to racial injustice, which recontextualizes and expands on the comics in an interesting way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xr2756FDKE

Colonel Whitey
May 22, 2004

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The politics of the show aren't really clear yet. I have a distinct feeling that it won't be clear until we've seen most, if not all, of the show. However certain people have already made up their minds about it and just enjoy punching themselves in the taint every week, so that's what the ignore function is for

Colonel Whitey
May 22, 2004

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Since it’s the 5th of November let’s discuss the possibility of a similarly modernized V for Vendetta sequel. The U.K. is now a Socialist state with no police but it’s the politicians wearing V masks!! The monarchy, office of Prime Minister, and House of Lords have been dissolved. Political rallies and speeches are outlawed to prevent demagoguery and fascism. You don’t know the identity of who you’re voting for, only their policy positions. Yet there is a fascist faction on the rise wearing Guy Fawkes masks spray painted silver...led by...Evey???!! It turns out Evey has concluded there always needs to be a fascist threat that can be quelled in order to keep complacency and actual fascism in check. She dies for this cause.

Hire me HBO

Colonel Whitey
May 22, 2004

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Ramses II was even his super clever and secure computer password so yeah that tracks

Colonel Whitey
May 22, 2004

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Lindelof explicitly said Veidts storyline will crash into the main story at some point

Colonel Whitey
May 22, 2004

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DaveKap posted:

Between this and Sam Esmail having to explicitly state that a character died in his interviews, I'm kinda sick of show creators spoiling/explaining their own in-progress shows.

Yeah sorry I probably shouldn’t have mentioned it.

Colonel Whitey
May 22, 2004

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I want to see more American Hero Story

Colonel Whitey
May 22, 2004

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grate deceiver posted:

I've started watching this yesterday, it has some really dumb and inept parts, but overall is pretty ok. It's nowhere near the original in terms of story or tone though. Good music. I also kinda don't believe that it will be a self-contained story. There's bound to be some cliffhanger or dumb magical mystery.

Hopefully no time travel will be involved, cause that could be the laziest resolution imaginable for this show.

In the interest of actual discussion, can you expand on, like, any of this?

Colonel Whitey
May 22, 2004

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I thought the alternate history stuff didn’t really start until Hooded Justice showed up in the 50s. It would be cool to explore vigilantes in other parts of the country in the time since then though

E: nvm I guess the timeline starts earlier than I remembered

Colonel Whitey fucked around with this message at 02:23 on Nov 17, 2019

Colonel Whitey
May 22, 2004

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gently caress yeah, an episode of tv that is carried by Tim Blake Nelson is a beautiful thing. The teaser for next week looks bonkers as poo poo, can’t wait.

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Colonel Whitey
May 22, 2004

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As mentioned earlier in the thread, all that stuff was to show that it’s constantly on the characters mind, not for the audience’s benefit

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