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This thread has all the words. I though the point of being right was that the theory was simpler becuase you didn't have to invent ways to gloss over where it doesn't work.
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Despera posted:Your opinion is so out of the political mainstream that you might as well not have it. You'll never convince any substantial group of people that this is true, which is what you kind of need to enact change in a democracy. He's pretty right though. There are differences in social policy but the bipartisan forign policy consensus is a well eatablished fact.
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caps on caps on caps posted:I guess in consequence it's the same ol' problems that have been discussed many times. It would be nevertheless interesting what the left strategy is to unite wage laborers, seeing as the category seems so ill fitting in its current form. I don't know if that is a specific necessity. While the functional distinctions are clear. When you look at the #metoo for example the stresses on the lives of rich proles are often very similar to the "proper proles" the differences are more about quality than kind. We just have shittier versions of the same problems. However if we call them petite bourgeoisie and write them off, how many people are we actually losing? From a tactical perspective I think the inequality of america is getting to where we don't need them to make a mass movement. Medicare for all and concrete plans to make things better will win some of them over. Are there enough middle managers to make a difference as a voting bloc?
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VideoTapir posted:I like the wobblies' definition of working class. If you can hire or fire people, you're management. That also happens to be the most relevant power in #metoo. Is it a useful distinction? I think the store manager of a McDonald's is more like a worker than the owner. Yes they can hire or fire, but they also have to worry about being hired and fired. I think in most cases though their bugging and firing power comes from upstairs more than their discression. Further to my knowledge most lower management types are paid salary and not in a profit shared manner. So in a real way they have similar lived experiences being constrained by forces out of their control.
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