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Cough Drop The Beat
Jan 22, 2012

by Lowtax
Just watch the original trilogy (4, 5, 6) over and over again because they're amazingly great, iconic classic films that defined the action-adventure sci-fi genre and are still excellent today. Especially the first two. Skip the prequel trilogy (1, 2, 3) because they're insulting, poorly written garbage, horribly produced in every respect, and mostly boring as heck. The first two prequels put me to sleep because nothing happens. The last one moves at a decent pace at least but it's just really goddamn insanely bad. The newer sequel trilogy is okay with very entertaining standout moments here and there so far, but they're definitely skippable.

Solo is dogshit and is so bad that it murdered the idea of further side story movies. Never watch it. Rogue One is a must-watch. Think Star Wars except it's an actual high stakes war movie with a band of rear end in a top hat rebels who don't trust each other. Some of the editing is very weird and disjointed at times (probably because Disney was allegedly very unhappy with the movie and hired a last minute editor), but it's highly enjoyable and mostly awesome.

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Cough Drop The Beat
Jan 22, 2012

by Lowtax

Blurry Gray Thing posted:

Just watch them in the order they came out in, until you get bored.

If the movie gets stupid and you're not enjoying it, just don't watch the next one. Don't listen to the people who'll tell you it's "better". Better doesn't mean good. That's how we got into this mess in the first place.

Anyone who tells you the prequel movies get "better" is either a laughably delusional Star Wars fanboy, enjoys watching bad movies, or is straight up trolling.

Cough Drop The Beat
Jan 22, 2012

by Lowtax

Barudak posted:

Star Wars is dead and its time of cultural cache is waning because Disney botched it so badly, so I dont think theres any reason to get involved at this point.

:goonsay:

Yeah, nope. I'm not the biggest fan of the new sequel trilogy either, but also I don't think it's "the worst thing ever" like goons have such a hard-on for when it comes to anything popular in existence. Goons forget their personal cynical feelings on any given mega popular media franchise have little to nothing to do with the mass market and Star Wars is just as popular as an iconic cultural staple as ever. There's literal 10 year old girls walking around with Rey and Leia t-shirts goddamn everywhere these days. But nah, I guess goons are right and Star Wars is dead.

If anything, Solo releasing just 5 months after The Last Jedi, getting critically panned, and underperforming horribly in the box office hurt Star Wars so much more than any of the new mainline Disney movies, which were both massive box office superstars.

Cough Drop The Beat fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Oct 18, 2019

Cough Drop The Beat
Jan 22, 2012

by Lowtax

JK Fresco posted:

People didn't go watch Solo because Last Jedi was so bad

Yeah, which is why The Last Jedi was the best-selling Blu-ray of 2018 in the US and the 31st best-selling Blu-ray ever. Because it's extremely unpopular and no one liked it at all. I'm sure that's it. :rolleyes:

Maybe people didn't see Solo because the troubled production (especially after they canned Phil Lord and Christopher Miller, who are close to household names because of the mega popular Lego movie), strongly negative reviews, and poor word of mouth killed the movie. Maybe people were turned off going to the theatre to see a garbage movie that all their friends and family said sucked hard????

Cough Drop The Beat
Jan 22, 2012

by Lowtax

Chomp8645 posted:

TLJ was bad and anyone who isn't an idiot realizes it. However, there is a contingent of people who bend over backwards to come up with contrived reasons for why it was totally good and has nothing at all to do with the current slump in the franchise. Generally this is because they are Extremely Online and consider dislike of TLJ to be an attack on women or something ridiculous, and that defending TLJ is virtuous activism, like punching a chud, because movies and politics are the same thing. Often they will go so far as to deny there is any slump at all, as if Disney suddenly cancelling multiple film plans is just something they do, that comes and goes with the tides, and you cannot explain it. Always, the evidence they cite for Star Wars being stronger than ever is "I saw a little girl dressed like Rey".


Inevitably they will cite some number of ticket/disk sales, ignoring any and all relativity, as if total sales for everything have not been going up every year for decades. I can only imagine they are astonished every single year, when whatever Marvel movie was just released takes the perpetually updating title "biggest selling movie ever", in total glee that they get to see world's best movie again, just like last year.

Nice meltdown

I don't even like TLJ that much, though I find it entertaining (besides the dumb as hell casino planet stuff), Luke's Jedi planet is hilarious, and the throne room fight scene was excellent. It's more that goons have repeated hyperbolic meltdowns over how supposedly it's the worst piece of cinema ever to put to screen and even worse than the prequels. Obviously, TLJ holds no candle to the original trilogy films, especially the first two... but it's not thaaaaat bad either. At least it tried to do new stuff, unlike TFA's hackneyed rehashing of A New Hope. Was it successful? Nope. But TLJ's not that bad and not even vaguely as awful as the prequel films.

Cough Drop The Beat
Jan 22, 2012

by Lowtax

Applewhite posted:

Machines break down after heavy use, as opposed to humans who grow stronger and more experienced. You don't want a battle-hardened droid army, you want a brand new one.

George Lucas is way worse at consistent, thoughtful storytelling and world building than most middle schoolers I've interacted with. Probably 3rd or 4th graders too.

Cough Drop The Beat
Jan 22, 2012

by Lowtax

Zoran posted:

the incontrovertible truth is that episode 3 is peak Star Wars. It is the most Star Wars of all the Star Wars

Nah, Return of the Jedi is totally the peak Star Wars. No other Star Wars is more Star Wars than it is. You have a hero wavering in his trust in his friends, mission, and beliefs, another massive super weapon, the ultra bizarre Sarlacc scene and the hilarious battle with R2-D2 throwing Luke his lightsaber, Princess Leia in a metal bikini, Force ghosts, Ewoks, Ewoks killing Stormtroopers, an intense battle where Luke cuts off Vader's hand and refuses to kill his father. It has everything and is the most Star Wars.

Cough Drop The Beat
Jan 22, 2012

by Lowtax

skasion posted:

This is true too. Lucas chose to tell a story in the prequels that makes the behavior of the Jedi in the original movies seem really suspicious and hypocritical. Yoda trains Luke to kill Sheev and Vader while also telling Luke that war is bad and he should be passive and nonviolent, which turns out to be good advice in Luke’s case, but around the time Luke was born Yoda himself was a mad oval office army commander flipping around killing people with a sword.

It's almost as if George Lucas has no idea what made Star Wars good: A simple hero defeats the evil dudes story with lots of cheesy sci-fi window dressing like fun, super weird aliens, sarcastic dialogue, cool laser swords and blaster battles, and spacecrafts that look rad and make awesome noises and shoot each other.

Which led Lucas to believe the prequels should have trade disputes, a burgeoning romance between a 9 year old boy and a 14 year old girl who is a princess or something, a racist minstrel caricature who acts and moves like he's from Looney Tunes, Yoda jumping around with a lightsaber like a video game character on speed, and dialogue about how sand is bad, I guess?????

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Cough Drop The Beat
Jan 22, 2012

by Lowtax

piratepilates posted:

the end of the star wars era where "star wars" meant luke, leia, hans, chewie, the beginning of the era where "star wars" means one of the 30 properties currently under development on disney+ to answer all your favourite star wars mysteries. such as, how did boba fett get his name? how did cassian andor get his name? how did obi wan kenobi get his name? how long will the rian johnson trilogy idea be floated around before it gets dropped without a word?

While the Rian Johnson trilogy is totally going to quietly disappear too, I'd hedge my bets on the Benioff/Weiss Game of Thrones guys Star Wars trilogy getting on the chopping block first. :laugh:

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