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Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

It is curious and wants to accept all kinds of challenges
the butler did it

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Expect My Mom
Nov 18, 2013

by Smythe

Epi Lepi posted:

Mad weird that no one seems to care anymore.
They do care, the murder is baked into the dichotomy of carnivores and herbivores that their whole society is built around. It seems to be accepted by some that this is just what carnivores do, have always done and always do.

I'm only an anime watcher but to me, that's why this drama club and the play are so important, it's a place of carnivores and herbivores where Louis, a herbivore, is at the top, and for two nights, is supposed to strike down the carnivores. Louis is supposed to be a representative of "equality". There's not a big mystery surrounding the murder, but the characters care in how they're personally responding to it. Legoshi is questioning being born into this body he never wanted, if it's okay for to him want things and have desires (Haru) in a world that's scared of him. Louis is confronting his own weakness that despite being the "Beastar", he could just as easily be devoured, and that's where a lot of his anger towards Legoshi comes from.

The scene in I think Episode 1, where Legoshi and Louis are both kneeling at Tem's memorial seems to really establish that we're going to be following their response to this action, rather than motivated to get revenge or justice

Compendium
Jun 18, 2013

M-E-J-E-D
Yeah, the mystery behind Tem's death persists for a while, but it doesn't make Beastars a murder mystery.

Pyrotoad
Oct 24, 2010


Illegal Hen
The reveal will happen, but depending on how many chapters per episode are being adapted and how long this season is, it might be a season two deal.

ijyt
Apr 10, 2012

I’d be very surprised if it’s revealed this season.

Crazy Ferret
May 11, 2007

Welp
The world building details in this show are really adorable. All the dogs trimming their fur down got a laugh.

The time jump was a bit weird. If Legoshi had not mentioned it that it had been a month since the incident at the play, I'd would of figured it had only been a day or so. It also makes keeping up with Tem's death a bit odd since it has not been mentioned for a while.

Pyrotoad
Oct 24, 2010


Illegal Hen

ijyt posted:

I’d be very surprised if it’s revealed this season.

Yeah, I'm assuming this season will be about 13 episodes long and will probably end when Louis joins the lion mafia. That gives us a little time with some more characters and lets the series end with a cliffhanger.

Qwertycoatl
Dec 31, 2008

Louis suddenly changing when he notices there's a crowd watching :allears:

ijyt
Apr 10, 2012

Pyrotoad posted:

Yeah, I'm assuming this season will be about 13 episodes long and will probably end when Louis joins the lion mafia. That gives us a little time with some more characters and lets the series end with a cliffhanger.

Depending on whether they shorten any sequences we'll probably get to Chapter 48 or there about with the finale of the Meteor Festival. Hopefully it doesn't feel too rushed - I'll probably have to watch the dub of this when it comes back so I can enjoy the facial expressions more, there was some good stuff in ep.5.

Crazy Ferret posted:

The world building details in this show are really adorable. All the dogs trimming their fur down got a laugh.

The time jump was a bit weird. If Legoshi had not mentioned it that it had been a month since the incident at the play, I'd would of figured it had only been a day or so. It also makes keeping up with Tem's death a bit odd since it has not been mentioned for a while.

For what it's worth it was handled the same way in the manga, small time skip between chapter 17 and 18 to start a new arc.

Crazy Ferret
May 11, 2007

Welp

ijyt posted:

For what it's worth it was handled the same way in the manga, small time skip between chapter 17 and 18 to start a new arc.

Ahh. Its fine if a bit awkward. I've not read a manga in a age, but I get a feeling they are wanting to move quickly to get past basic setups. That said, I may try to hunt this manga down in a way as this show is really winning me over.

There is a charming quality to a lot of the characters. The manga bits that have been posted in the thread make it look like a lot of fun as well as the art looks...goofy in the best way? That pic of Legoshi hiding behind the spotlight cracked me up.

Crazy Ferret fucked around with this message at 13:16 on Nov 11, 2019

ijyt
Apr 10, 2012

Haha yeah, the artwork can get very loose and goofy, it’s pretty charming. I think there’s a couple of physical translated volumes already and the rest can be found through the usual channels.

Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

It is curious and wants to accept all kinds of challenges
I'm jealous that both France and Italy are a head of us in the states; this month France is getting volume 7, Italy is getting volume 9, while we're only going to be as far as vol 3. For reference the latest volume in japan is 15

Crazy Ferret
May 11, 2007

Welp
This is the first episode where I felt it would be easy to dismiss this show as "Edgy Zootopia". I don't mind the setup so much as it can lead to an interesting relationship with Haru as a character, but the scene with the fingers is a bit...much. Not unrealistic from a world building point, but I do hope this ends with a good payoff. Admittedly, I have not read the manga so I'm going in blind.

There are some great moments of animation still. Legoshi's fur standing up at the challenge was well done. I know these shows have a tight budget, but I appreciate these little moments. Legoshi's hands while explaining the lighting, the anteater leaving him on the roof, the practice fights with Bill are all standouts.

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007

Crazy Ferret posted:

This is the first episode where I felt it would be easy to dismiss this show as "Edgy Zootopia". I don't mind the setup so much as it can lead to an interesting relationship with Haru as a character, but the scene with the fingers is a bit...much. Not unrealistic from a world building point, but I do hope this ends with a good payoff. Admittedly, I have not read the manga so I'm going in blind.

that scene was meant to be pivotal and probably had a lot of people doing double-takes in the manga too (it was was more grisly there, to boot)

beastars goes in hard on how examining how predator/prey dynamics would play out in a polite society

ijyt
Apr 10, 2012

Yeah the black market is a lot more messed up the deeper you go.

Electric Phantasm
Apr 7, 2011

YOSPOS

I still get a good laugh out of the therapist giving Legoshi a porn mag.

Pewdiepie
Oct 31, 2010

This manga is epic. Does the anime stand up?

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007
i have avatars off so i clicked my profile pic just now and AUGH CHRIST

Electric Phantasm
Apr 7, 2011

YOSPOS

Who did you piss off to get it?

As for the anime aside from visually toning the brutal parts of the manga like Legoshi's stripening and the Back Alley Market it's a good adaptation.

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007
i mean it's really just trading out one animal-headed person for another so i don't think it was a revenge av

that possum is my #brand

Fabricated
Apr 9, 2007

Living the Dream

Pewdiepie posted:

This manga is epic. Does the anime stand up?
It's a good adaptation that skips a little bit of stuff and tones down a little bit. Visually it's great- Studio Orange is doing a good enough job that you're not thinking about how it's a cg anime all the time which places it leagues above most cg anime. And they had a very difficult job so it's even more impressive.

Electric Phantasm
Apr 7, 2011

YOSPOS

Oxxidation posted:

i mean it's really just trading out one animal-headed person for another so i don't think it was a revenge av

that possum is my #brand


Oh it used to have some text, so it looks like someone did you a solid

ijyt
Apr 10, 2012

Pewdiepie posted:

This manga is epic. Does the anime stand up?

Very much so imo. There’s interactions I wish they had included but otherwise its in good hands.

Ranzear
Jul 25, 2013

Fabricated posted:

It's a good adaptation that skips a little bit of stuff and tones down a little bit. Visually it's great- Studio Orange is doing a good enough job that you're not thinking about how it's a cg anime all the time which places it leagues above most cg anime. And they had a very difficult job so it's even more impressive.

Same as they did on Houseki, they just understand simple-rear end animating so much better than other attempts at 3D anime.

One of the stand-out differences in Beastars, and I now recognize in Houseki as well, is that when a character moves their eyes stay mostly locked on someone or something, but also snap between things actively. Stuff like Berserk had those stiff thousand-yard-stare eyes that only made smooth (wrong) intentional movements on extreme closeups. You can make a character move however you want, but eyes are stable things that don't move the same as everything else.

Pewdiepie
Oct 31, 2010

Now I've read about 120 chapters of this over the past couple days and I gotta say its extremely well written. Paru steps on the gas from chapter one and never lets up - its insane how good this manga is.

Desperate Character
Apr 13, 2009
Beastars manga is fantastic in that it will get dark in ways you don’t expect, like the way (manga spoilers) melon is introduced with the pile of bones underneath the exam room. It isn’t just for being shocking either, everything that happens makes sense in the universe of the story. I love how it messes around with concepts humans wouldn’t normally deal with , like how (manga spoilers) Yafya uses the bodies of carnivores as fertilizer for his carrots which seems insane to the reader but in the context of the world it isn’t really that unjustified for him to do so

boredsatellite
Dec 7, 2013

Ranzear posted:

Same as they did on Houseki, they just understand simple-rear end animating so much better than other attempts at 3D anime.

One of the stand-out differences in Beastars, and I now recognize in Houseki as well, is that when a character moves their eyes stay mostly locked on someone or something, but also snap between things actively. Stuff like Berserk had those stiff thousand-yard-stare eyes that only made smooth (wrong) intentional movements on extreme closeups. You can make a character move however you want, but eyes are stable things that don't move the same as everything else.



The ears are so mesmerizing to watch

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.
I want a Beastars crossover with Blacksad.

Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

It is curious and wants to accept all kinds of challenges
Beastars crossover with Baki where the Beastars characters are humans and the Baki characters are furries

ijyt
Apr 10, 2012

boredsatellite posted:

The ears are so mesmerizing to watch

It’s those little details that are making me look forward to the dub.

Fabricated
Apr 9, 2007

Living the Dream
The latest manga stuff is bonkers.

boredsatellite
Dec 7, 2013

The latest episode is also loving bonkers. What a well loving directed show

Electric Phantasm
Apr 7, 2011

YOSPOS

boredsatellite posted:

The latest episode is also loving bonkers. What a well loving directed show

For real

I'm so glad they adapted the Legom story. I was worried they were going to skip it since it doesn't contribute to the main plot. It's good bit of world building.

Crazy Ferret
May 11, 2007

Welp

boredsatellite posted:

The latest episode is also loving bonkers. What a well loving directed show

Oh man, I was cracking up at that dropkick from the bunkbed. Jack, you are just adorable. All the pieces of the show are really good which comes from the good direction. To be honest, the show felt like it was taking on way too much at first. So much world building, a lot of characters and their relationships, as well as a lot of shifting plot lines. That said, episodes like this make feel like they know what they are doing so far. This was a great episode where they answer questions but also push things forward as a whole.

The chicken bit was definitely something. I can see what people were saying about Beastars leaning into the animal society bit. It really is not missing any chance to explain that world. Of course a chicken would sell her eggs and find pride in it. Why not?

The dub on this show should, hopefully, be good. Legoshi is just such a neat little introvert, and yet is trying to grow outward. I wonder who they will get?

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.
Whale

Desperate Character
Apr 13, 2009

bwahahaha I love this manga so much. The world building is just :kiss:

So can we just say that episode 7 has one of the most fantastic animation bits of the year because hot drat:

https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/106201

i wasn't expecting something as beautiful as that from a cgi show but here they are making the best stop-motion and pencil drawing in tv animes I've ever seen

Kung Food
Dec 11, 2006

PORN WIZARD
It's pretty interesting that they add the possibility of a normal relationship with wolf girl to emphasis just how unhealthy his interest in bunny girl is.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Kung Food posted:

It's pretty interesting that they add the possibility of a normal relationship with wolf girl to emphasis just how unhealthy his interest in bunny girl is.

An obsession with same-species romance has been treated as vaguely creepy and unhealthy every time it's been brought up, so I'm not sure that's where we're going here. Louis doesn't seem super happy about his arranged marriage, and then there's that harlequin rabbit with a grudge against Haru. It's a bunch of unsympathetic characters yelling about 'preserving bloodlines' in a way that has obvious real-world parallels.

Fabricated
Apr 9, 2007

Living the Dream
There's a much later bit with Legosi and Juno in the manga that hits really hard on a lot of levels.

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Crazy Ferret
May 11, 2007

Welp

Darth Walrus posted:

An obsession with same-species romance has been treated as vaguely creepy and unhealthy every time it's been brought up, so I'm not sure that's where we're going here. Louis doesn't seem super happy about his arranged marriage, and then there's that harlequin rabbit with a grudge against Haru. It's a bunch of unsympathetic characters yelling about 'preserving bloodlines' in a way that has obvious real-world parallels.

The "preserving bloodlines" bit is certainly an apt metaphor and has strong, if unfortunate, connections to real life. That said, I also think it has something to do with being forced into what is socially acceptable. If you are a wolf of course you are going to get involved with another wolf. Even Jack comically asks if Legoshi's interest is even a Canine and has some strong words for Legoshi when he finds the bunny porn mag. I get a feeling that folks are supposed to end up with their own kind.

The whole show has a strong emphasis on what is and isn't socially acceptable, what with the Black Market and predator's actions towards prey characters. I am way too ignorant to put on a legitimate social critique of Japan, but it seems that deviations from the norm are not viewed favorable there, so I admit to only having a passing understand of their culture.

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