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rivetz posted:Saw this last night and enjoyed it, mostly for the same reasons as everyone else here. This is hard to articulate, but...artsy or challenging movies can frustrate me if the enjoyment of the film is too heavily contingent on "getting" it. I really appreciated that none of the weirdness hinged on grasping some clever detail or perspective. The weirder poo poo got, the more comforting it was to be reminded of a foundational truth: If you cannot figure out why something is happening or what something means, or if something is even real, you can safely fill in the blank with "because he/they are going fuckin nuts". It sounds self-evident, I guess, but I dunno, it was really helpful to have insights or revelations add to my enjoyment, yet not have the absence of an insight or revelation detract from my enjoyment. I think its c. Defoe just has a weird torso, he’s like if a skeleton worked out or something.
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Franchescanado posted:I believe that it's been pulverized and it's body is contorted. It may even be two birds. I wish there were a screen grab for that shot, to know for sure. i agree with this, mostly because of how similar in appearance the gull in the cistern is to the one Winslow pulverizes. Just a stretched out mess of sinew and feathers.
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I also really appreciated the jet-black humor of those loving wheelbarrow runs. Things just keep sinking further and further into despair and madness and every time Winslow appeared trundling that wheelbarrow along that rocky track, I'd think to myself, ahh, good idea, let's embark on this nightmarish grueling chore for the billionth time. I wonder what surprises await our hero this time? Will a demonic siren appear amongst the rocks, I wonder? Will this be the time that Winslow lifts the wheelbarrow into the air and drops it on his own fuckin head in a pathetic attempt to kill himself? Whoops, nope, he just tripped and spilled all the fuckin coal! Darn it! It's always something, isn't it? As things got loopier and loopier, the repetition couldn't help but remind me of some Looney Tunes analogy, Yosemite Sam running up that ladder again and again, doomed to fall into the dunk tank every time.
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rivetz posted:I also really appreciated the jet-black humor of those loving wheelbarrow runs. Things just keep sinking further and further into despair and madness and every time Winslow appeared trundling that wheelbarrow along that rocky track, I'd think to myself, ahh, good idea, let's embark on this nightmarish grueling chore for the billionth time. I wonder what surprises await our hero this time? Will a demonic siren appear amongst the rocks, I wonder? Will this be the time that Winslow lifts the wheelbarrow into the air and drops it on his own fuckin head in a pathetic attempt to kill himself? Whoops, nope, he just tripped and spilled all the fuckin coal! Darn it! It's always something, isn't it? As things got loopier and loopier, the repetition couldn't help but remind me of some Looney Tunes analogy, Yosemite Sam running up that ladder again and again, doomed to fall into the dunk tank every time. The wheelbarrow scenes could also be interpreted as a Sisyphus type punishment for his past crimes, murdering his old boss.
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Franchescanado posted:I've seen it twice now, and there's a big through-line that I picked up on the 2nd viewing that I haven't seen mentioned yet. The topic is a little off-putting, and spoilers some stuff, but I think it's interesting and ties a few loose points together. wow..uhh.. i took that as him just talking poo poo/messing with him and not at all any of what you said in the least. like, not even in a stretching subtext kinda way, but i guess we clearly interpreted this movie in very different ways. zer0spunk fucked around with this message at 00:20 on Nov 8, 2019 |
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zer0spunk posted:wow..uhh.. i took that as him just talking poo poo/messing with him and not at all any of what you said in the least. like, not even in a stretching subtext kinda way, but i guess we clearly interpreted this movie in very different ways. Well there is very literally a scene where Dafoe, after getting Pattinson poo poo-faced drunk, slow dances with him while serenading him with a love song, and then tries to kiss him, leading to Pattinson beating the poo poo out of him out of homophobia. That's not subtext, that's text. There are just other references that I picked up that follow that trend. Just the way I interpreted the film. My analysis isn't law.
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Franchescanado posted:Well there is very literally a scene where Dafoe, after getting Pattinson poo poo-faced drunk, slow dances with him while serenading him with a love song, and then tries to kiss him, leading to Pattinson beating the poo poo out of him out of homophobia. That's not subtext, that's text. There are just other references that I picked up that follow that trend. Just the way I interpreted the film. My analysis isn't law. I likewise viewed the movie in really psychosexual terms. I mean, there is a scene where Winslow leads Wake around the grounds on a leash to dominate and humiliate him. It definitely felt like two sexually-frustrated men struggling to sort out who tops.
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Yeah, it's an incredibly sexually-charged film. They slow-dance together, ffs.
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pretty much the whole movie is about fuckin there's a mermaid vagina! Edit: I realize this is an oversimplification but yeah it’s a major theme of the movie
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The man that Pattinson’s character sees in the flashbacks, ambiguously an object of lust or violence, has bright blond hair that evokes the light of the lighthouse itself.
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Seaniqua posted:pretty much the whole movie is about fuckin No don’t be worried about oversimplification it’s outright text. Winslow mounts Thomas at the end in a rage and for a moment sees him as his mermaid lust waifu. Just imagine what would happen if he had a steak.
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The third act is introduced with Winslow being unable to cum anymore. That’s the final thing to break his spirit.
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weekly font posted:No don’t be worried about oversimplification it’s outright text. Winslow mounts Thomas at the end in a rage and for a moment sees him as his mermaid lust waifu. Just imagine what would happen if he had a steak. Robert Eggers: “Nothing good happens when two men are trapped in a giant phallus”
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Drunkboxer posted:I think its c. Defoe just has a weird torso, he’s like if a skeleton worked out or something. legit lol
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rivetz posted:Curious if anyone else caught this: there's a shot around the first half or so I think shortly following a Winslow mermaid sex vision where Winslow's secretly observing Wake sleeping and man did the camera angle make it look like Wake's chest had a breast? Was that a) some lingering piece of the mermaid experience, b) evidence of Protean shape-shifting, c) nothing, just the camera angle on Wake's ribcage? Anyone else see this? Are you talking about the scene where Winslow is looking through a hole in the roof down at Wake on the bed? Just saw the movie last night but to me it looked like Wake was laying on his stomach, hips/back arched a bit with his rear end hanging out of the back flap of his long johns, possibly masturbating or loving a hole in his mattress. 
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Finally, someone had the gumption to show us the REAL fish sex that Shape of Water denied us. What are you doing? Get OFF off me! *hauled away by orderlies*
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Gejimayu posted:Did he? That almost certainly would feel intentional. While drunkboxer covered how this is usually just an Actor Thing, I feel like it might be at least a little intentional, since the one time you see Wake actually put food in his mouth it immediately falls back out uneaten, and it's center frame in a headshot so it can't have been incidental.
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I've seen a transcription of the Hark to Neptune speech but does anyone have a transcription of the speech while Tom is getting buried? I can't even make half of it out, I really wanted subtitles.
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mango sentinel posted:I've seen a transcription of the Hark to Neptune speech but does anyone have a transcription of the speech while Tom is getting buried? I can't even make half of it out, I really wanted subtitles. Wake: You wish to see what’s in that lantern? So did me last assistant. Ephriam shovels mud onto Wake’S face... Ephriam: Shut up, dog. Polish yer brasswork. He keeps shoveling... Wake laughs, blood pouring out of his mouth. Dying. Wake: You said yer a God fearin’ man, Tommy? (laughs) Them’s truth, Tommy! More dirt on him... Wake: O what Protean forms swim up from men’s minds and melt in hot Promethean plunder scorching eyes with divine shames and horrors More dirt on him... Wake: and cast them down to Davy Jones. And others, still blind, yet in it see all divine graces and to Fiddler’s Green sent, where no man is suffered to want and toil, but is More dirt on his face... Wake: ancient More dirt on his face... Wake: mutable More dirt on his face... Wake: and unchanging girdles ‘round as the she who the globe. More dirt... Wake: Them’s truth. And you’ll be punished. Wake becomes stifled from the dirt and mud.
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Bless you, comrade.
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Just piping in that I loved the myths woven in. That loving Prometheus imagery one-two pinch at the end was loving amazing!
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I had extremely high hopes for this movie, it was part of a triad with Jojo Rabbit and Parasite I was eager to see. However, I agree with Jason Fraley and his review. This movie is terrible. I went to a completely packed arthouse showing, and was sitting there with my friend, utterly baffled. She loved the VVitch but thought this was completely meritless also, a huge relief for me.
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Pick posted:I had extremely high hopes for this movie, it was part of a triad with Jojo Rabbit and Parasite I was eager to see. However, I agree with Jason Fraley and his review. This movie is terrible. I went to a completely packed arthouse showing, and was sitting there with my friend, utterly baffled. She loved the VVitch but thought this was completely meritless also, a huge relief for me. Why?
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I'm presuming this is the review, https://wtop.com/reviews/2019/10/movie-review-light-is-on-but-no-ones-home-in-horror-film-the-lighthouse/ quoted is the only part that seems to have something to say about the movie: Jason Fraley posted:
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quote:From a directing standpoint, Eggers traps both actors in an uncomfortable 4:3 aspect ratio to create a square frame for maximum claustrophobia. While such an approach works on occasion — László Nemes hid Holocaust horrors in the Hungarian “Son of Saul” (2015) — it can create a rigid viewing experience that limits peripheral mise-en-scène possibilities with an intentionally smaller canvas. Jesus, this guy is, like, the deputy sheriff of wrongtown.
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Movie doesn’t have real female characters except for dream mermaid Movie is about two extremely lonely dudes trapped on an island and dream mermaid that serves to demonstrate one character’s detachment from reality Checks out
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It's a film that revels in trappings to disguise having absolutely nothing to say. It's basically a canvas for film dilettantes to project onto, but it delivers no theme to no end. It's an emperor with no clothes.
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 Also, listen to the soundtrack on Spotify. Played the Moby Dick boardgame while listening to it last week and it was ideal. So moody and atmospheric.
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Pick posted:It's a film that revels in trappings to disguise having absolutely nothing to say. It's basically a canvas for film dilettantes to project onto, but it delivers no theme to no end. It's an emperor with no clothes. You're supposed to project onto films, silly.
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feedmyleg posted:
Please tell more about this board game, I'd pay good money for something like that
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NienNunb posted:Please tell more about this board game, I'd pay good money for something like that Dorky as it sounds, it's actually fantastic. It utilizes the text in really poetic and evocative ways, and the whole game is about the inevitability of Ahab's death while players attempt to slaughter as many whales as they can for as much oil as possible before fate catches up with them. Every game ends with Moby Dick killing all the players, leaving Ishmael to go on and tell the tale. I got it in a board game store but their site's here.
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Pick posted:It's a film that revels in trappings to disguise having absolutely nothing to say. It's basically a canvas for film dilettantes to project onto, but it delivers no theme to no end. It's an emperor with no clothes. You and the reviewer you quoted obviously failed to engage the movie. That's fine, it's not against the law. But coming into a thread of people who are engaging with the movie while refusing to do so yourself is frankly rude. If you want people to engage with you in good faith, let's start the process: What was the plot of the movie? Do you think the movie had a plot? pospysyl fucked around with this message at 09:06 on Nov 16, 2019 |
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Pick posted:It's a film that revels in trappings to disguise having absolutely nothing to say. It's basically a canvas for film dilettantes to project onto, but it delivers no theme to no end. It's an emperor with no clothes. It's you. The person who unironically believes "turning off your brain" is a way to watch movies. Like, how could anyone with two neurons to click together think this movie has no theme? *fart*
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K. Waste posted:You're supposed to project onto films, silly. A True Jar Jar Fan posted:The farts are super funny This post combo but unironically
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