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zer0spunk
Nov 6, 2000

devil never even lived

Franchescanado posted:




Which absolutely happened with my friend. But he's not one to enjoy things like Eraserhead, which I absolutely love.

Pretty much the only reason I brought that up was everyone making GBS threads on that one review that disliked the film for this reason. Which I think is actually pretty valid, even if I personally disagree with not liking the film for it. There's plenty of people that hate david lynch movies like you said

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Franchescanado
Feb 23, 2013

If it wasn't for disappointment
I wouldn't have any appointment

Grimey Drawer

zer0spunk posted:

Pretty much the only reason I brought that up was everyone making GBS threads on that one review that disliked the film for this reason. Which I think is actually pretty valid, even if I personally disagree with not liking the film for it. There's plenty of people that hate david lynch movies like you said

I think people poo poo on the review because it posits the idea that a film having multiple perspectives and interpretations means that it doesn't have any meaning. Which is absurd, and completely misses the entire concept of film theory and criticism. And art criticism in general.

zer0spunk
Nov 6, 2000

devil never even lived
I sort of appreciate having a "mass market" voice even if the voice is kinda poo poo. I mean, let's be honest we're a bit of a niche of people that intersect on the venn diagram of people willing to go to an indie movie in the first place and people that would enjoy 1800s maritime crossed with david lynch and fw murnaus love child..so threads like this are just an echo chamber...

But this film releases to the general public right? So you kind of expect to see the gamut on a polarizing experience..

It sort of touches on my biggest flaw with this film..how do I recommend it to people? I mean, I do, I think it's a rad film that was worth seeing in theaters (is it still playing at this point?) but I'd run into the problem of what do I tell someone other then "watch it"...
I would never say watch the trailer because I hate trailers so that's out..I can't tell people it's a surrealistic film because that ruins the entire vibe of the film if you're trying to go in blind..I can't say it's the story of two lighthouse keepers in a storm in the 18somethings because it's disingenuous and sets you up to expect a traditional narrative..So all I can really say is "watch it" which is.... annoying...drat ye lighthouse

Xealot
Nov 25, 2002

Showdown in the Galaxy Era.

Maxwell Lord posted:

Yeah this is a movie you can easily explain to people.

I described it to someone as, "Two bi / vers coworkers contemplate a down-low relationship out of boredom, but fight over who tops."

Gargamel Gibson
Apr 24, 2014

Das Boo posted:

I'm going to talk about the Rime of the Ancient Mariner.

I took the a ton of this film to be in reference to Rime of the Ancient Mariner, a giant poem wherein said Mariner kills an albatross and dooms his ship. It's a very famous poem and has a ton of parallels:

At length did cross an Albatross,
Through the fog it came;
As if it had been a Christian soul,
We hailed it in God's name.
...

And I had done a hellish thing,
And it would work 'em woe:
For all averred, I killed the bird
That made the breeze to blow.
Ah wretch! said they, the bird to slay,
That made the breeze to blow!
...

The very deep did rot: O Christ!
That ever this should be!
Yea, slimy things did crawl with legs
Upon the slimy sea.
...

And in some dreams assured were
Of the Spirit that plagued us so;
Nine fathom deep he had followed us
From the land of mist and snow.


And more, but I'm typing on a phone!


Water, water everywhere
Nor any drop to drink

Le Saboteur
Dec 5, 2007

I hear you wish to ball, adventurer..
I've only read the screenplay on A24s website but the ending and going back through the screenplay seems to indicate the movie is a clever retelling of the myth of Prometheus. And it reads great on the page I gotta say, hell of a screenplay.

Drunkboxer
Jun 30, 2007

Xealot posted:

I described it to someone as, "Two bi / vers coworkers contemplate a down-low relationship out of boredom, but fight over who tops."

Aint you never been to sea before? Bark I says, BARK!

turtlecrunch
May 14, 2013

Hesitation is defeat.
For Reasons I watched Parasite yesterday and The Lighthouse today and Parasite was like watching a tightly scripted stage tragedy and this movie was like watching a bunch of postcards strung together and animated into a film.

I enjoyed Parasite a lot more (especially comparing endings- the ending of Lighthouse just felt like someone throwing their hands up and going "I dunno") and I thought it was scarier, but there were single images in The Lighthouse that I enjoyed a lot. Not just visuals but moments of the great dialogue, sound fx, ideas (drinking lantern oil...). Just wish the plot had done something other than exactly what I expected.

edit now that I'm awake: Parasite felt like it was always changing and unfolding into something new. There was a steadily growing flame of dread inside it. Lighthouse felt like it never changed, and it was just an on-rails ride through an imagery funhouse.

turtlecrunch fucked around with this message at 16:12 on Nov 22, 2019

yorkinshire
Apr 28, 2009

In space no one can hear your dope beats.
I rewatched parasite last night when showing my sister the movie and drat, it was even more enjoyable the second time.

Van Dis
Jun 19, 2004
I cannot imagine walking away from this movie and thinking it failed to have either plot or themes. It is absolutely saturated in both. There are many justifiable reasons to dislike the movie but those don't qualify.

Drunkboxer
Jun 30, 2007

Van Dis posted:

I cannot imagine walking away from this movie and thinking it failed to have either plot or themes. It is absolutely saturated in both. There are many justifiable reasons to dislike the movie but those don't qualify.

I wonder if some of those people just found the dialects hard to follow.

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!

Le Saboteur posted:

I've only read the screenplay on A24s website but the ending and going back through the screenplay seems to indicate the movie is a clever retelling of the myth of Prometheus. And it reads great on the page I gotta say, hell of a screenplay.

Wait, whatnow? I'm not seeing the script on the site. Where is this?

weekly font
Dec 1, 2004


Everytime I try to fly I fall
Without my wings
I feel so small
Guess I need you baby...



Tart Kitty posted:

Wait, whatnow? I'm not seeing the script on the site. Where is this?

It explicitly references it several times in the film but it's certainly a loose, abstract retelling of it if not just adapting the imagery. There's really no world where you can say it's a direct adaptation.

verbal enema
May 23, 2009

onlymarfans.com
I just got out of the theater aftering watching this and what the gently caress

Vegetable
Oct 22, 2010

I get that subtitles can sometimes disrupt the visuals but holy hell if there was an English language film that needed subs this was it. Alternatively the characters could have just been directed to speak in a comprehensible manner. I’m sure I would have enjoyed this more if I didn’t have to guess literally all of the dialogue.

Also Pattinson looks extremely similar to Daniel Day-Lewis here. Pity about his squeaky voice, though. Not everyone can have a commanding baritone.

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010
I can't watch The Witch without subtitles but this one felt pretty easy to follow for me?

Drunkboxer
Jun 30, 2007

Tart Kitty posted:

Wait, whatnow? I'm not seeing the script on the site. Where is this?


http://a24awards.com/film/thelighthouse/THE_LIGHTHOUSE_script.pdf

Polo-Rican
Jul 4, 2004

emptyquote my posts or die

Henchman of Santa posted:

I can't watch The Witch without subtitles but this one felt pretty easy to follow for me?

The movie has a purposely low-fi sound design... the dialogue sounds like you're listening on an old, scratched-up record. Which is really cool because it validates the black-and-white. It looks and sounds like you're watching a film from 1950.

But I saw this in a small crappy indie theater with a sub-par sound system, and a lot of the dialogue was completely unintelligible... I assume a lot of people saw it under similar circumstances.

(Watching some clips and trailers now with my nice headphones and I can make out all of the lines just fine.)

edit: lol, just looked at the script and also see that it demands a mono mix on page 1. That definitely contributes to why dialogue would be hard to understand in a small theater

Polo-Rican fucked around with this message at 21:56 on Dec 8, 2019

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog
I wonder if the people complaining about the ambiguity went in expecting something more like the much blunter The VVitch.

TheOmegaWalrus
Feb 3, 2007

by Hand Knit
Say it.

Mr. Wiggles
Dec 1, 2003

We are all drinking from the highball glass of ideology.
I thought I could share this very cool Christmas present from my wife here, amongst the only people who would get it.

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ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

The foghorn should’ve stayed blaring through the whole movie.

verbal enema
May 23, 2009

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ruddiger posted:

The foghorn should’ve stayed blaring through the whole movie.

the only reason in sad i cant watch this whenever i want is because his speakers are super loud snd bassy and that sounds needs to be theatre quality at all times

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

feedmyleg posted:

:yeah:

Also, listen to the soundtrack on Spotify. Played the Moby Dick boardgame while listening to it last week and it was ideal. So moody and atmospheric.

Now play it to Blood and Thunder

NienNunb
Feb 15, 2012

I got the score on vinyl for Christmas from my partner.

Big Mouth Billy Basshole
Jun 18, 2007

Fun Shoe

NienNunb posted:

I got the score on vinyl for Christmas from my partner.

I hope it's just the foghorn for an hour.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."
I was thinking

smallmouth
Oct 1, 2009

Maybe I missed it but I haven’t seen it discussed why there are a few shots where the characters are breaking the fourth wall and staring at the audience. Anyone have an idea why this was included?

Some general notes.

Another power structure is Thomas masturbates freely, but forbids Winslow from doing so. Winslow is repeatedly faced with this hypocrisy (the peephole scene, the nightmare of Thomas and the light, the dead bird in the cistern—Winslow then beats his own one-eyed seabird in defiance). Thomas is either repeatedly raping Winslow, or grooming him (this is another parallel with The Shining, as imagery in that movie suggest Jack sexually abuses Danny). Thomas has Winslow whitewash the lighthouse (never been in safer hands) and then drops him, Winslow waking up splattered in white paint.

Both men put on a brave face, but neither has experience with or interest in women. The rough statue of the mermaid is captivating to Winslow like woods porn to a middle-school boy—the mysterious form of a woman filled in with an imaginary lower half. Winslow asks Thomas if he’s ashamed to be with a woman. When angry with Thomas, Winslow rejects Thomas’ lobster and says if he had a steak (woman), he’d gently caress it. Thomas is literally hurt that Winslow doesn’t like his lobster (better than shrimp fishing). Thomas talks of a wife and children, but is full of bluster throughout—if it was true, it was likely a beard. Thomas’ real interest is in plying the younger men who work with him.

I agree with what someone mentioned earlier in that Winslow seems to change as a character when he finally rejects the arbitrary power structures we all play into and assumes his own violent power fantasy over Thomas—to his ruin.


Bums, farts, and penises. And liquor.

This movie is dark, and I love it.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
For a while I ignored this film because I thought it was the other lighthouse movie (what was it called anyway? It's impossible to find because this one exists now too). That one was pretty good too but a more normal thriller. I watched about half of this one before starting to fall asleep, but it wasn't the movie's fault because the first part was great. Definitely need to find some time to see the rest.

Vegetable posted:

I get that subtitles can sometimes disrupt the visuals but holy hell if there was an English language film that needed subs this was it. Alternatively the characters could have just been directed to speak in a comprehensible manner. I’m sure I would have enjoyed this more if I didn’t have to guess literally all of the dialogue.

Also Pattinson looks extremely similar to Daniel Day-Lewis here. Pity about his squeaky voice, though. Not everyone can have a commanding baritone.
It's not just the pronunciation, some of the dialog is also pretty weird by today's standards so even if I understood the words that were said, it could be still somewhat :wtf:

immortalyawn
May 28, 2013

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
People need to stop thinking to hard about films. Some films are just what they are.

Though, this is exactly the type of film you can overthink as well.

Either way its enjoyable. Its not a masterpiece just because you need to think at all.

sponges
Sep 15, 2011

Films don’t need to have themes or a conventional narrative to be worthwhile. That should be obvious and one shouldn’t have to state it on a film forum but here we are.

That post from Pick was a goddamn word salad.

Vintersorg
Mar 3, 2004

President of
the Brendan Fraser
Fan Club



The_Doctor posted:

I was thinking



It's this guy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kdbH40abnY

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."
I watched the Tom Baker Doctor Who story ‘The Horror of Fang Rock’ the other night, and that’s set in an isolated lighthouse with a foghorn playing through most of it. Fun stuff.

Drunkboxer
Jun 30, 2007

The_Doctor posted:

I watched the Tom Baker Doctor Who story ‘The Horror of Fang Rock’ the other night, and that’s set in an isolated lighthouse with a foghorn playing through most of it. Fun stuff.

Is that the episode where The Brigadier chugs lamp oil and cranks it?

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."
“Yer fond of me Rutan, ain’t ye? I seen it!”

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!

Fun Shoe
Holy poo poo, just saw this and loved it. Dafoe is at the top of his game, you absolutely do not need to understand every word he's saying to enjoy the hell out of the performance. I wish this was getting a UHD release because all the scenes with the deep shadows and candlelight are crying out for 4k/HDR.

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

On the other hand, I watched it with subtitles today and feel like I would have been miserable without them. I thought Dafoe was incredible, especially in the monologue, and got way more laughs out of this than I expected. Other than that, my first reaction was that the movie felt a little aimless to me beyond being an interesting and stylish novelty (which sounds more negative than how I mean it--style and novelty are great), but I think it's going to grow on me as I think and read about it more, even if it's not going to be one of my very favorite movies from last year.

NienNunb
Feb 15, 2012

They snubbed our boy Willem

smallmouth
Oct 1, 2009

Didn't fancy his lobster, I guess.

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Untrustable
Mar 17, 2009





ruddiger posted:

The foghorn should’ve stayed blaring through the whole movie.

I just watched it a bit ago and I feel like it did. I usually don't like the more abstract, but this movie was so good and the scene at the end with Thomas touching the light got so intense with my home theater system blasting that I thought I was gonna have to fast forward because it was so god drat terrifying.

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