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Bloody Emissary posted:Dang, I didn't manage to catch up with the LP in time to post my biggest theory before it got virtually confirmed. I had the exact same theory after Iris branch  We saw how Date got dragged more and more into Iris delusions in a positive feedback loop when he believed her, so I expected that even regular syncing can have problems with personality bleed-throughs, let alone staying past the limit. So I assumed that Date's lack of memories was due to a Psync that's gone wrong. In Mizuki's branch we both know that So has enough power to order the police and refers to Date as his son so So having enough power to cover up the original murders and what happened to Date afterwards is within his power. quote:Dependent theories: I think that Renju is already dead at the beginning of the story, if the killer always switches a body and then kills it to hide his secret then Renju was already taken over by Saito in either branch. The question is why he tried to get #89 out of prison, but I assume it's because he couldn't switch with Iris. Since in Iris' branch we know that Iris ditched 'Renju' rather than get in the old warehouse. Agreed on the brain medication. quote:I mostly went along with the ride for the murders themselves, so most of my theories were small and quickly proven or disproven, but I do have one that's probably going to be confirmed once we get back to that locked branch: the victims have their left eyes removed because it's a side-effect of using the prototype Psync machine. Iris' left eye was suddenly missing after Date's last Psync with her during the Naix route—I remembered Pewter's (or was it Aiba's?) explanation of how the Psync machine connects to the people in the machine through nanothreads going into their eyeballs, and, well...unless somebody somehow pulled her eye out of its socket during the Psync, without interrupting it, the most plausible explanation is that a flaw in the prototype causes the Psyncee's left eye to get destroyed during the Psync process. Plausible, especially since we know the person who carved the eyes was Rohan rather than Saito. So Saito has no real reason to carve out the eyes. quote:Dependent theories: On the third bullet point, we saw Hitomi meeting with So in the Iris dead end branch, and since 'Renju' was still alive at that branch I'm pretty sure it was Hitomi herself. Also in general Saito appears to try to get his original body back and tries to work a chain to make him Psync with Date (see Boss in the current route), So has power over the police and Iris is So's daughter so Saito probably tries to possess her to get at So probably*. But in Iris branch Date is already attached to Iris and Saito can leverage Date's attachment to lead him to where he could take over his body and kill him (And in the Iris branch, Pewter is an unwitting dupe who tries to help his lover that was already killed). One problem that I think of is that why did everything start to happen now and why was Saito outside prison since there's no way Shoko could psync with #89/Falco while he was in prison. My theory is that Rohan had Saito's will, Rohan and Saito were apparently pretty tight and that Shoko had connections to the Kumakura. If Rohan was the one who carried Saito's mind and then switched with Shoko then it would make sense for him to start outside prison and have the ability to actually do stuff. It also makes #89/Falco claim that he knows who the killer is ring true because if he spoke to Shoko after Saito possessed her he knew that the killer was body-switching around and since we saw Boss in his somnium I'd guess that he was also a psyncer (and we know that Date got his memories scrambled with #89/Falco, so #89/Falco should know it too). The big hole in this theory is that #89 is almost certainly in his original body (since his Somnium fitted perfectly), so who is Date? And where is Rohan's mind? * Saito also appears to have a tendency to incriminate his new body and then needing to quickly switch to a new one in Mizuki's branch. He switched to Iris and then was quickly implicated at the murder of Renju, then he switched to So but got wounded during his grandstanding so he needed to quickly switch bodies again. I'd guess that's why So's body was in pieces, to hide the fact that he had a leg wound.
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Bloody Emissary posted:Unrelatedly, another small detail that bugged me since it appeared: the video in serial-killer-"Iris"'s Somnium that showed a blue figure kissing So. The body shown as the camera pans up to So's face is clearly female. When we went through the other branch of that Somnium, I noticed that it was the body of the fourth victim of the Cyclops Serial Killings—the only one we see in that branch as a Somnium reenactment and not a video on a TV screen. We know now that the one actually doing the killings was Saito, and Rohan just took the eyes out of the corpses afterwards. So the red figure watching the murders would be Rohan and the blue figure would be Saito...why is not-Iris' memory of the fourth victim so much clearer than the others, and why was her body combined with So's face in the other branch? I can't see any reason why Rohan would make that association, but Saito overlaying the face of his father on one of his victims seems more plausible, so is not-Iris actually Saito? If we take Pewter's assertion that Saito was only able to feel satisfaction by killing exceedingly literally, it may be a representation of Saito feeling 'love' by killing one of the victims. The mashing of So's face and kissing is an artifact of the fact that Saito just mashed together parental love and lust because he never felt either. It's a pretty big stretch admittedly.
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Aug 24, 2020 22:05
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It does seem kinda designed to waste your time with repeated map checking and repeatedly having to go through doors, each having its own mini-scene. And since the timing seems strict you don't even get the ability to poke around experimentally and see what happens (and get goofy dialogue).
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Aug 27, 2020 14:46
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Why didn't Aiba just text to Pewter "Hey your lover was killed by #89, stop helping him"?
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Sep 1, 2020 21:00
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TheMcD posted:Do you think he'd believe her? He's literally trying to delete her existence right now. Can't she just send the video of what's currently happening to prove her word? It's not like Date and Aiba have a grudge against Renju and want to see him killed. And Saito confessed to everything in the video.
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Sindai posted:Date adopted her and now he's going to marry Hitomi so she can be Iris's little sister. And then Aiba comes back thanks to mumblequantum mumbleparallelworlds mumble and they all live together happily ever after. That's my prediction. Aiba could theoretically come back if anyone bothered to physically backup her data during the last 6 years, no quantum parallel nonsense required Honestly, thus far I don't really like the epilogue, primarily because I don't really care for Iris, and it feels that she steals Mizuki's screen time and relevancy to bolster her own.
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Thanks for the LP TheMcD. I already said my feelings on Iris, so I will counterbalance it by saying that I really liked the resolution of Mizuki's route with her Psyncing with him and proving to him that she loves him as her pseudo-parental figure. My favorite Somnium though was Mayumi's which I feel was the most emotional of all the Somnium's explored in the game (And the branch ended with Ota's resolution to be a better person and take better care of his mom).
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