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I went this route first on my playthrough. I was really confused when I finally got around to the right-side path, and Renju didn't show up - I had that pegged as a pretty important event. It all makes sense in the end of course (to a given degree of "sense" - this is Uchikoshi we're talking about). But that's what I expected coming into this. NeverHelm fucked around with this message at 15:32 on Apr 27, 2020 |
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Quite the whiplash compared to the other times we did this. The butterfly effect (AKA Uchikoshi narrative) at work?
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May 4, 2020 15:04
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TheMcD posted:I'll say this: It'll make sense in the end. This game will leave you guessing for quite some time before it really lets you in on the secrets, and we haven't gotten close to that point yet. Oh, I know - I've been through this before. It's fun seeing what theories people come up with, as I sit here in my Chair of Knowledge. I definitely had some theories of my own at this point, though they were fairly different from what is in this thread right now (likely because I went this way first). I wonder if someone will solve the mystery before the game confirms the answer. I know I didn't. NeverHelm fucked around with this message at 21:38 on May 4, 2020 |
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May 4, 2020 21:35
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Contractual Protagonist Stupidity claims another victim! Geez Date, you're a trained police officer who stares down Yakuza. You should have known better.
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That ice machine sends chills down my spine even now. It's scenes like this that make Mizuki my favourite character in this game. She's snarky, confident and ludicrously strong, but she's still a young, impressionable girl at times. Her VA actually streamed her playthrough of the game - Can't find it anywhere now though. Also: The only other place I had ever heard the word "Clione" before this was Zanki Zero. Considering they are from the same company, I imagine that's a deliberate reference. NeverHelm fucked around with this message at 22:14 on May 7, 2020 |
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May 7, 2020 21:56
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Sindai posted:I feel like the obvious twist here is that Ota was the one in the costume. The framing of the stream is definitely convenient for Ota if that were the case. But what about the other killings? There's nothing directly linking him to those. Sure, Mizuki called him to the first crime scene with her, but that is likely a coincidence. Not to mention he was the one who called it in to begin with, without which it might have taken a long time for the crime to be detected. However, Ota's does come up fairly often. He seems to always be near trouble. As they say: Where there's smoke, there's fire. TheMcD posted:You're just not thinking Uchi enough. Try this one on for size: Iris instigated this whole thing to paint herself as a victim to try and get the heat off her for Renju's murder. Ota, being completely devoted to Iris, goes along with it without questioning it. We've seen in other routes that Iris is manipulative at times and not entirely right in the head. The question is: Is she really crazy enough to remove her own eye to throw off police? I suppose you have to be a little crazy to be a serial killer, so it's not impossible.
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May 10, 2020 13:10
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I'm with Date here. I was starting to lose patience with Ota at this point. How did he even get a hold of that thing? Iris driving the victim's car alone after the time of death? Now that's suspicious.
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May 11, 2020 12:01
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This game isn't pulling any punches on Ota. Though it's hard to feel sorry for him, since he kinda made this whole scenario possible in the first place. Speaking of hits... That's an interesting looking knife the bear's got.
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May 13, 2020 14:28
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The "It Was All a Dream!" twist. what a classic
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May 14, 2020 00:13
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Yikes. Sadly not an uncommon tale for many children. The fact that Mizuki has become so well-adjusted in spite of all that is a testament to her character and Date's caring (if somewhat eccentric) guardianship.
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May 17, 2020 17:47
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That's some drat strong meds he's on. "I left my eye behind and became a carnival worker" is a pretty unique plan of action.
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May 19, 2020 14:30
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The killer is So. Raise your hand if you saw this one coming. I really feel for Boss here. She clearly wishes she didn't have to go along with this nonsense.
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May 21, 2020 15:27
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There's also the fact that a second analysis would reveal if Pewter had lied. If So was confident that they didn't have valid evidence, he would not need to resort to blackmail to get off the hook.
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Mecca-Benghazi posted:I’m suspecting a chain of killings (Renju got Shoko because ???, Iris got Renju because of tumor problems, and now So tried to get Iris and Ota). However, keep in mind that we are maybe halfway or so through the game. There's plenty more information out there to be found. And killers' mindsets are notoriously difficult to understand. NeverHelm fucked around with this message at 19:36 on May 22, 2020 |
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Aiba really took one for the team there. That bullet would have gone straight through his other eye and into his brain. These action scenes always seem so out of place compared with the rest of the game, what with their over-the-top anime logic and PORNO MAGs. But hey, at least we got So in the end! He's also Date's dad, apparently. Doesn't seem like he's a good parent figure either. There are a lot of those in this game. At least Date and Hitomi are alright. NeverHelm fucked around with this message at 17:26 on May 25, 2020 |
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This is my favourite part of the game, besides the true ending. Mizuki and Date's relationship feels very genuine and the voice acting really sells it. Also, I really like when VNs let you see another character's perspective for a bit.
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May 25, 2020 17:26
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Moments like these are worth every PORNO MAG in the world.
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May 27, 2020 22:14
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If you look past Iris still being hospitalized, how Date's probably lost his faith in his superiors at HQ and the implication he will be brooding over not uncovering the full truth for the rest of his life, this is a pretty good ending. Better than our first one, at any rate.
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May 29, 2020 22:58
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The first 8 minutes: No, Mayumi can't be the killer, it's impossible. Here's a detailed explanation of why that is. The final 10 seconds: "I did it." -Mayumi Matsushita
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Jun 6, 2020 23:21
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This scene hit me hard personally. Ota is an exceptionally written character in many ways. He reminded me of how I used to be, and I saw a lot of my own flaws in him. I was, as Ota says, a "piece of poo poo". To some extent, I still am. For this reason, Ota is a character I have conflicted feelings for. While I like to think I was not as bad as he was, I was not too far off. This game reminded me of why I decided to change. I didn't want to be Ota. Never let anyone tell you that all video games are mindless time-wasters. Sometimes, they can really change your life.
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Jun 8, 2020 14:48
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Surprise! The plot thickens. We know from the other branch that it is extremely likely So was responsible for the warehouse incident. Yet here he is, as a victim. Is this what would happen in the other branch, had we not caught So? Even Date seems to believe there might be more than one killer at this point... Another mystery: One part of that taxi driver's story we have no explanation for is why the van stayed in the Kabasaki district for so long. If the final destination was the warehouse, why head there first?
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Jun 11, 2020 09:10
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A nice, friendly family reunion. Hopefully things get better for them. Some big reveals from Aiba at the end. Wonder what people will make of that.
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+1 to the "What the heck is going on?" counter. This was my first route, and once I got to this point I thought I had a pretty good idea what was going on. I was wrong, obviously. I was missing all the pieces of the puzzle from other paths. I really like how every possible order you do the paths gives rise to different theories, as you reconcile your previous conclusions with the new evidence. For example, on the left path Iris is clearly doing some shady stuff - see the past few updates. But on her own route, she seems more like a misguided conspiracy theorist as a result of her brain tumor, begging for Date's protection. How do we reconcile these two narratives? Having seen this route first, my line of logic in the right side paths was completely different from the thread's.
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This branch is pretty grim. Seems Ota actually made a huge difference in the other path. As I've mentioned previously, this was my first branch - the information gained from Pewter definitely colored my line of thinking going forward. So far, the killer's plan is proceeding mostly the same as in the Ota/Mizuki routes, with the exception that they weren't stopped this time. NeverHelm fucked around with this message at 00:51 on Jul 6, 2020 |
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According to Pewter, the OCK is physically unable to feel love and affection. Which is exactly what #89 claims happened with Hitomi. Clearly, neither story is the whole truth. On the matter of Pewter's betrayal: Up until I got to that point myself, Pewter had been extremely helpful and, in this route, shared things even the Boss wasn't willing to tell me. I trusted him implicitly. Having him suddenly go behind my back like that for personal reasons was one of the game's coolest moments for me.
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So... I keep bringing this up, but this was the first "ending" I saw. Naturally, I was really suspicious of Boss going forward. Boss killing someone does seem a bit... out of character considering what we've seen from her so far. But coming off #89's Somnium, it's clear she's keeping secrets.
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Jul 15, 2020 16:32
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You just couldn't resist, could you Uchikoshi? Seriously, nobody would come up with that name on the spot. We could have saved a lot of trouble if we had known this earlier, Boss. Heck, not telling people that their job risks them getting bodyswapped almost seems illegal. But hey, "national security" trumps everything, right?
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For extra "oh crap": Consider the implications for this in the Mizuki/Ota branches.
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Jul 23, 2020 01:20
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The PORNO MAG strikes again. And Boss(?) is its latest victim.
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The culprit's calm demeanor throughout this seeuence is deeply disturbing. When killing no longer gave them the pleasure they sought, instead of, you know, not killing, they commited a complicated revenge plot/serial killing just to get those sensations back. What a loving psychopath. Also, Date is a Zero Escape-style SHIFTer or something. I'm not entirely sure how that works across multiple bodies, but considering the Psync machine is borderline magitech with our current knowledge I'm not going to start questioning things here. Oh, and this means that in the Mizuki path, the one in Iris' body is actually So - even after his original body dies. I'm really curious how that gets worked out post-ending. An aging career politician suddenly thrust into the body of his (now one-eyed) 18 year old internet idol celebrity daughter born from an affair, presumably forced to keep everything a secret for the sake of national security. On the bright side, at least he gets to live longer, assuming they deal with that tumor she has.
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Date's memory powers are so strong, he can even remember stuff that happened while he was unconscious in a different timeline. Seriously, what's up with that? The game doesn't seem to want to explain it, so we just have to speculate...
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