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axelblaze posted:When it comes to worst movies no one needs to do anything that goes beyond haw they define a movie as. If you think a movie was the worst of the decade, then it should be on your list in this thread. We aren't looking for objectively bad movies because that would be dumb. The issue is that the notion of a “Worst Of” list creates the idea that a worst movie is a thing that exists. That’s to say that, while you’re right that there is no objectively-worst movie, there is also no such thing as a subjectively-worst movie. There are multiple ‘worsts’ - which is why we end up with all these statements full of qualifiers, like “Green Inferno’s well-made, but the message is stupid”. Other movies don’t count as ‘worst’ because they’re too obscure to be impactful, and so-on. You also get fixation on particular details - like, Jurassic World is a genuinely bad movie, but it was specifically brought down by studio editing that removed narrative context from around all the action scenes. (The infamous babysitter death scene was originally contextualized by the lovely older child character absolutely despising her and apparently fantasizing about her death - so he is ‘scared straight’ when it actually happens. Without that character’s specific libidinal investment in the babysitter, the scene is utterly pointless - but too expensive to cut.) So it's got possibly worst editing, but it's otherwise just a kind of mediocre Michael Bay riff. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 18:18 on Oct 30, 2019 |
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General Dog posted:Pretty rich that Pfister dropped that sick burn just as he was getting started on Transcendence, which I have not seen but is, by most accounts, pretty goddam terrible. Not by all accounts. Transcendence is an extremely good homage to 50’s sci-fi.
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General Dog posted:If I take my lowest rated of the decade and take out the comedies (highly subjective) and the DTV dreck (feels like cheating) See, this is part of the issue. There are these usually-unspoken premises that certain movies just don't count as movies, or are 'beyond criticism' and so-on. Like, I'll also go with Age Of Ultron and Jurassic World as being the worst - but in the specific category of mega-budget franchise blockbusters. I can't in good conscience say that they're worse than The Night Visitor or The Ghost Footage 2.
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Nov 4, 2019 18:43
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General Dog posted:I’ve heard about the notorious non-ending of The Devil Inside. Where does it actually cut off? After a lengthy documentary investigation, the protagonists (who are basically a team of ghostbustin’ exorcists) realize that Satan Himself is possessing this woman. They’re like “holy poo poo, this is out of our league! We need backup!” So they throw her in the car and rush towards a secure location, getting ready to perform the biggest exorcism ever and defeat Satan once and for all! Satan effortlessly manipulates everyone into fighting eachother. The driver, possessed, veers into oncoming traffic, and the crash kills everyone - except Satan, who escapes on foot. With no more footage, the movie cuts to black and displays the website of whoever ultimately completed the documentary. Basically, they never make it to the fireworks factory and the audience is pissed.
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Nov 5, 2019 05:41
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General Dog posted:I think the suggestion that we can just push button, install communism is insulting to the all the adults in the room. The movie is really complicated, so it’s understandable if you missed it, but what actually happens is that the revolutionary characters sacrifice themselves to steal the complex software that governs law enforcement, immigration, etc. That in itself just disruptively ‘opens the borders’, but it also triggers a police coup where those soldiers loyal to the revolution battle against counterrevolutionary forces. We don’t (yet?) have an Elysium 2 that focusses on the nitty-gritty of how the communist robots fight to secure the means of production in solidarity with the meek, but that’s already kind-of implicit.
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Dirty Harry 1 and Death Wish 1 are exactly like First Blood, in that the pop-culture versions of the characters have totally eclipsed what actually happens in the films. In Dirty Harry 1, we open with a badge honouring all the dead cops. But the film ends with Harry throwing the badge away, dishonouring all those who died for it. The moral of the film is that a ‘true’ cop would rather die than break the law, but Harry‘s hosed it all up. Like the message is straight-up that the only good cop is a dead cop. Likewise, Death Wish is a satire of liberalism. Kersey is a vigilante, yes, but he believes that he is protecting the good poors by literally beating the bad poors to death with a sack full of money. The big joke of the film is that he thinks killing is ok because he feels really bad about it afterwards.
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