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Gatts posted:Why did he need the rock as opposed to anything else available to him? Is there a symbolic meaning to using that? His fortune to bash the head in of his competition? Or could it be it depends on how you see other people and your interpretation, i.e. if you give benefit of the doubt/think there's good in people vs not. The rock is the most obvious symbol in the movie, it’s symbolic value is made explicit in the dialogue of the film. It symbolizes the pursuit of wealth. So, here we have a member of the lower class ready to bash another member’s head in with a symbol of the relentless pursuit of wealth. It’s great.
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Ogmius815 posted:The rock is the most obvious symbol in the movie, it’s symbolic value is made explicit in the dialogue of the film. It symbolizes the pursuit of wealth. So, here we have a member of the lower class ready to bash another member’s head in with a symbol of the relentless pursuit of wealth. It’s great. That is a good reading that does make sense, yeah.
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Ogmius815 posted:The rock is the most obvious symbol in the movie, it’s symbolic value is made explicit in the dialogue of the film. It symbolizes the pursuit of wealth. So, here we have a member of the lower class ready to bash another member’s head in with a symbol of the relentless pursuit of wealth. It’s great. And that pursuit of wealth bashed him in the head instead It floats, suggesting maybe it was hollow, a hollow promise of wealth maybe (might be a stretch but maybe that’s also why he survives) Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 04:20 on Feb 17, 2020 |
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Steve Yun posted:And that pursuit of wealth bashed him in the head instead Did it float? I just thought it was sitting on top of some other rocks. When I see the movie for the second time tomorrow, I’ll watch out for that.
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Feb 17, 2020 04:24
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I just finished watching it and it did not float.
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Just finished "Knives Out". Not sure how this movie is "more leftist/more American flavor of leftists" than Parasite.
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Feb 17, 2020 07:34
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punk rebel ecks posted:Just finished "Knives Out". Not sure how this movie is "more leftist/more American flavor of leftists" than Parasite. "Knives Out" functions on the premise of the leftist hero winning by not lowering herself to the level of manipulation done by the murderer and manipulators among her, providing a hopeful example for decent human beings getting society out of the horrible mess they we are in without a campaign of deceit , only using dishonesty purely as a necessary tool rather than any instrument of vengeful catharsis. The protagonist of Knives Out wins by being a fundamentally good person and that message, while very wonderful imo, is in stark contrast with the message of Parasite.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:"Knives Out" functions on the premise of the leftist hero winning by not lowering herself to the level of manipulation done by the murderer and manipulators among her, providing a hopeful example for decent human beings getting society out of the horrible mess they we are in without a campaign of deceit , only using dishonesty purely as a necessary tool rather than any instrument of vengeful catharsis. The protagonist of Knives Out wins by being a fundamentally good person and that message, while very wonderful imo, is in stark contrast with the message of Parasite. A lot of the film was kind of dumb being honest. Why would the housekeeper meet with someone she thinks is a murder in secret and not tell anyone and not carry a gun? Why would the witness to seeing Ransom earlier have their testimony hold any weight if they also thought that the nurse was Ransom too? I also dislike that the rear end in a top hat of the family was the murderer. It just fits too nicely and there wasn't much of a build up to "whodunit" after the halfway point of the film.
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might wanna take it to the Knives Out thread
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Parasite shitpost: does anyone else chuckle at Geunse and think of it as Goonse where's your ring Goonse did you pawn it for an account?
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:… Great insights. Determining a parasite in society places a primacy on the immediately seen which belies the unseen abstractions that lead to the unknowing usage of slave labor in our everyday lives. The seen/unseen dichotomy is reflected in the three respective living situations and leads to the elites reframing themselves as godlike “Job creators.” The unseen can be things that simply fade into the background, like the usage of cell phones throughout the film that require industrial labor to acquire lithium from Bolivia or the precarious Chinese workers who assemble them and use hazardous chemicals to wipe out any trace of human contact. The husband living in the bunker doesn’t provide labor directly to the Park family, but indirectly as part of a social class, though also through the love he shares with his wife. Parasite depicts the underclass women as highly dependable and strong, whereas the men are emasculated and lost as they fail to meet society’s standards as to what a man should be. The rich wife’s listlessness inspires no real love from her husband as they sexually fantasize about being different people. This recalls that, despite the claims of women gaining equality/liberation through employment, underclass women have always worked.
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KVeezy3 posted:The husband living in the bunker doesn’t provide labor directly to the Park family, but indirectly as part of a social class, though also through the love he shares with his wife. Parasite depicts the underclass women as highly dependable and strong, whereas the men are emasculated and lost as they fail to meet society’s standards as to what a man should be. The rich wife’s listlessness inspires no real love from her husband as they sexually fantasize about being different people. This recalls that, despite the claims of women gaining equality/liberation through employment, underclass women have always worked.
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Please expand or post preferred sources if you can, I'm interested in learning more. I literally know nothing of the 3 things you've listed, and obviously not surprised how universal this concept is. EDIT: Oh I didn't realize that you had posted actual documentaries, thank you! KVeezy3 fucked around with this message at 01:14 on Feb 18, 2020 |
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KVeezy3 posted:Please expand or post preferred sources if you can, I'm interested in learning more. I literally know nothing of the 3 things you've listed, and obviously not surprised how universal this concept is.
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KVeezy3 posted:The husband living in the bunker doesn’t provide labor directly to the Park family, but indirectly as part of a social class, though also through the love he shares with his wife. It’s more that, as a funny-horrific nightmare distillation of the Kims, Mr. Gook is so desperate to be exploited that he makes himself into a 24/7 motion sensor to ‘earn’ his fraction of a fraction of a housekeeper’s salary. That’s the joke of his elevating Mr. Park into a quasi-religious icon alongside Abraham Lincoln and Nelson Mandela: in ‘allowing’ Mr. Gook to work for scraps, Mr. Park has unwittingly liberated him from... even further debasement? From death, I guess? There are a few important things going on here. First is that Mr. Gook is a sexist. As you hint at, he credits Mr. Park for providing the food actually earned through the labour of Mrs. Gook (and the labour of the programmers at the company, etc.). There’s a sort of mini-arc in how Mrs. Gook’s death finally spurs her husband to leave the basement - except that he doesn’t learn anything, and goes to his death perceiving her as simply an intermediary between himself and Mr. Park. Of course, he’s also obviously mentally ill - but Mr. Gook’s sexism is part of how the film thankfully doesn’t romanticize poverty. The second point is in how little Mrs. Gook actually makes. Despite the fact that she’s presumably ‘well-compensated’, and doesn’t pay rent or even buy most of her own food, she can barely afford to furnish the bunker. The Gook’s debt is so severe that they are nonetheless extremely poor. Mrs. Gook’s personal belongings, however ‘classy’ and professional-looking, fit into two small suitcases. Being fired immediately condemns her to homelessness. And that is why reads like Ogimus’ up there are so shameful. The assertion that the Kims are ‘dressing for success’ because they have ‘middle-class aspirations’ is putting an ideological spin on the fact that both the Kims and Mrs. Gook are actually subject to extreme classist violence. They are forced to buy expensive clothes (and spend time learning English, etc.) to present as ‘middle-class’, purely to escape crushing poverty. On an unrelated note: the reason that the “buy me drugs” scene is so humiliating to Mr. Kim is that he had sex with his wife on the same couch while, implicitly, fantasizing about being rich. That’s part of why his attitude changes even before the sewage flood. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 03:24 on Feb 18, 2020 |
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It is true the reason they dress up is to present themselves as “worthy” of a sort. Like the whole “Make yourself presentable, dress for success in a pricy suit so you can interview well to make yourself look like you’re not a dreg of society” thing. Appearances matter and it is an investment to even give yourself a shot
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:On an unrelated note: the reason that the “buy me drugs” scene is so humiliating to Mr. Kim is that he had sex with his wife on the same couch I'm sorry what
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AnonSpore posted:I'm sorry what The joke where Mrs. Kim is lying on the Parks’ couch, and then sits up to reveal Mr. Kim lying beside her.
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Why do you call him Mr Gook
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Feb 18, 2020 07:19
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The housekeeper's name is 국문광 (Gook Moon-gwang) and usually one side of a married couple takes the other's family name
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AnonSpore posted:The housekeeper's name is 국문광 (Gook Moon-gwang) and usually one side of a married couple takes the other's family name Not in Korean culture. Traditionally, Korean women keep their family names after their marriage, but their children take the father's surname. If you look at a married Korean woman's passport, it will list their surname as something like "Choi (wife of Kim)". The Kim family in the movie: Kim Ki-taek, father of the Kim family Kim Ki-woo (Kevin), son of the Kim family Kim Ki-jeong (Jessica), daughter of the Kim family Park Chung-sook, mother of the Kim family The Choi family in the movie: Park Dong-ik, father of the Park family Park Da-hye, daughter of the Park family Park Da-song, son of the Park family Choi Yeon-gyo, mother of the Park family kimcicle fucked around with this message at 08:08 on Feb 18, 2020 |
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lol https://twitter.com/TheQuint/status/1226907302126505985 https://twitter.com/DesiSage/status/1227161447173541888
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Lol, loving conservatives https://twitter.com/koryodynasty/status/1227465194017824769?s=21
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So my local art house movie theater, the Jacob Burns Film Center, has posted some Q&As with Bong Joon-ho that they recorded when he came to visit over the years. Note that these videos run between 30 to 50 minutes each. Snowpiercer The Host Memories of a Murder Mother Also Binging with Babish just posted of video on how to make Ram-Don
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Alan Smithee posted:Parasite shitpost: does anyone else chuckle at Geunse and think of it as Goonse More like 
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:It’s more that, as a funny-horrific nightmare distillation of the Kims, Mr. Gook is so desperate to be exploited that he makes himself into a 24/7 motion sensor to ‘earn’ his fraction of a fraction of a housekeeper’s salary. That’s the joke of his elevating Mr. Park into a quasi-religious icon alongside Abraham Lincoln and Nelson Mandela: in ‘allowing’ Mr. Gook to work for scraps, Mr. Park has unwittingly liberated him from... even further debasement? From death, I guess? I have a friend who worked at an Amazon warehouse while Jeff Bezos was visiting, and he remarked how everybody treated him like an actual god. This informed my initial reading of the light switch monitoring as a sanity-saving maneuver to be an active subject in the world, but the process necessarily fetishizes Park as a deity who creates his material reality. Then he prays to him in the way that people thank God over the dinner table. Though in retrospect, my take doesn’t consider why it would take this particular expression, as yours does by accounting for desire. What you’ve written here, in addition to your previous point about how he’s presented as a fanatical North Korean, brought to my mind an article about how, in North Korea, many of the men take government jobs as they are seen as more prestigious, but actually puts them in financial debt. The women work the illegal market and end up becoming the breadwinner in the family which ends up flipping the gender dynamics on a large scale, but the sexism is still there, as the men still commit a large amount of spousal abuse.
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punk rebel ecks posted:Just finished "Knives Out". Not sure how this movie is "more leftist/more American flavor of leftists" than Parasite. The comparison I’ve liked and been using: Parasite is anti-capitalist. Knives Out is Woke Capitalism.
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thefncrow posted:The comparison I’ve liked and been using: A weirdly common sentiment seems to be, roughly, "Capitalism sure would be great without all these capitalists running around ruining things"
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Feb 18, 2020 23:08
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I worked as a private driver/chauffeur for a year way back when. I was extremely triggered every time Me. Kim turned his head to look back at his passenger. Doubly so when he turned his entire body.
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I meant to post this with the Knives Out comment but forgot, a really good bit of analysis of the use of English, and how that relates to what Parasite has to say about colonialism: https://tropicsofmeta.com/2020/02/17/reading-colonialism-in-parasite/
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That’s brilliant. I laughed a lot at the fact that so much of Korean these days is filled with a English loan words but tying them all to capitalism is some next level stuff
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SolarFire2 posted:I worked as a private driver/chauffeur for a year way back when. I was extremely triggered every time Me. Kim turned his head to look back at his passenger. Doubly so when he turned his entire body. Yeah I was genuinely relieved when Mr. Park told him to keep his eyes on the road.
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I saw this for the second time Monday. I really wish I hadn’t because now it’s getting an IMAX release.
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Per the discussion a few weeks back about the indigenous imagery, here's a fun take I haven't seen fleshed out like this before: Parasite and Neo-Colonialism https://tropicsofmeta.com/2020/02/17/reading-colonialism-in-parasite/amp/?__twitter_impression=true An excerpt so you can get the flavor: quote:As Korea’s present colonizer, the United States is implicated throughout Parasite. No single character exemplifies Americanness definitively. Rather, Americanness is an aspirational status. The United States’ presence is thereby marked by its absence, which paradoxically illustrates the totalizing nature of its hegemony. This is most immediately established through the use of English.
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thefncrow posted:I meant to post this with the Knives Out comment but forgot, a really good bit of analysis of the use of English, and how that relates to what Parasite has to say about colonialism: https://tropicsofmeta.com/2020/02/17/reading-colonialism-in-parasite/ mary had a little clam posted:Per the discussion a few weeks back about the indigenous imagery, here's a fun take I haven't seen fleshed out like this before: Parasite and Neo-Colonialism This is probably one of the most difficult aspect to translate in an American remake (because, while it may have universal themes, it was still consciously written in a Korean context).
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I just realized, would it have been that big of a deal if the Moon's sent the picture of all of the Kim's together in the basement being that the Park's weren't even aware they had a basement? They wouldn't know it was their house that they were at.
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It wasn't a photo, it was a video of all four of them together, and the kids referring to their parents as mom and dad. That's a little stickier to wriggle out of.
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YggiDee posted:It wasn't a photo, it was a video of all four of them together, and the kids referring to their parents as mom and dad. That's a little stickier to wriggle out of. Oh I see. I thought it was a picture.
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