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Air Skwirl posted:Storm has had a mini and a (short lived) ongoing before and Jean Grey has had at least two minis, so they're good choices for X-Men solo books. I think most of the Claremont era X-Men could hold their own in an ongoing with the correct writer because he was so adept at adding an internal narrative while all of these big things were happening around them so there's a poo poo ton to draw from. It's strange that if you look back at the history of the line, the most successful X-Men solo books (aside from Wolverine, obviously) are Cable, Deadpool, and... Gambit, maybe? It seems odd that the really big-name, widely-beloved Claremont-era characters aren't the ones who can sell a comic. I guess if you want to do an X-Men spin-off, it's safer just to add another team book. Fans in the 80s might have supported a Kitty Pryde or Nightcrawler title, for example, but Excalibur probably did better numbers than either character would have alone.
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Didn't the Emma Frost or Mystique book run surprisingly long?
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Dawgstar posted:Are you counting Young Jean as a mini or an ongoing? Mini, also there might be some others I missed, that was just off the top of my head.
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Gaz-L posted:Didn't the Emma Frost or Mystique book run surprisingly long? The Emma frost book is insane on what a missed opportunity it was. The covers were all porntastic while the inside was all a coming of age story that might have been a hit with the female demographic.
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Dawgstar posted:Are you counting Young Jean as a mini or an ongoing? It was technically an ongoing, in the sense that it had the same structure as every other book of its era: First six-issue arc establishes the premise of the book, second six-issue arc is a tie-in to something nobody cares about, third six-issue arc doesn't exist because everybody stopped buying it during the second arc. I haven't read it since it came out but I seem to remember teen Jean dying pretty violently in the third-to-last issue of her own ongoing and it's about OG Jean from that point. Gaz-L posted:Didn't the Emma Frost or Mystique book run surprisingly long? At some point in the last five or six years I read every issue of that Mystique book and I can't remember a thing about it aside from the fact that there was a guy whose mutant power was just that he was like a foot tall and he drawn to look vaguely like David Boreanaz, which is appropriate for when it was coming out I suppose. Solo books are a bit of a hard sell I'd guess given how much of the appeal of the X-Men is that there's seventeen thousand of them and you want them bouncing off of each other. It doesn't mean you can't have a recurring cast in a solo book... but at that point you might as well just put X-Men in the title and triple your sales. I mean, there's no reason you couldn't have called X-Men Red a Storm solo except for marketing.
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X-Man being one of the longer running solos when so much of it is incomprehensible is wild.
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Rochallor posted:It was technically an ongoing, in the sense that it had the same structure as every other book of its era: First six-issue arc establishes the premise of the book, second six-issue arc is a tie-in to something nobody cares about, third six-issue arc doesn't exist because everybody stopped buying it during the second arc. I haven't read it since it came out but I seem to remember teen Jean dying pretty violently in the third-to-last issue of her own ongoing and it's about OG Jean from that point. The final issue opens with Young Jean waking up in what she thinks is hell, and the rest of the issue has her traveling through a bunch of alternate worlds inside the White Hot Room before confronting the Phoenix Force and reconstructing her body back on Earth. Adult Jean Grey appears on the very last page of the issue. Extermination (the mini-series that sends the young X-Men back to their own time) starts a few months later, though Young Jean continues to appear in X-Men Blue (and then Extermination) after that point. In terms of long-running X-Men solo books: there really aren't that many! Outside of Wolverine/Deadpool/Cable*, I believe the only ones to ever last longer than a year are: 25 Issues - Gambit (1999-2001) 24 Issues - Mystique (2003-2005) 21 Issues - Magneto (2014-2015) 18 Issues - Emma Frost (2003-2005) 17 Issues - Gambit (2012-2013) 16 Issues - Bishop: The Last X-Man (1999-2000) 13 Issues - Quicksilver (1997-1998) A weird asterisk to this is the 2012-2014 X-Men Legacy volume, which despite the title was essentially a Legion solo book that ran 24 issues, but it was also branded as an "X-Men" book, not a Legion one. * I am including X-23, Daken, X-Man, Agent X, Soldier X, and other "branded as Wolverine/Cable/Deadpool books despite not having the 'main' character in them here Edge & Christian fucked around with this message at 12:35 on Apr 15, 2024 |
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Rick posted:X-Man being one of the longer running solos when so much of it is incomprehensible is wild. I bought every issue back then.
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Edge & Christian posted:42 Issues - Dazzler (1981-1986) This one is truly incomprehensible, at least with X-Man you could assume some people were picking it up because of the title. They really tried to make Dazzler happen huh
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Since she was in just a couple X issues beforehand, it seems more like she wasn't an X solo book really. Like they say it was a joint Marvel project with a record company at first, she was doing her own thing. It is funny since I'm now in the 170s on X-Men, and indeed Dazzler has pretty much just disappeared other those couple cameos. I could use some Dazzler content, looks like that'll happen more in the 200s.
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Edge & Christian posted:In the case of the Jean Grey solo book, it was eleven issues and roughly two arcs/trades, the first one about Young Jean being very afraid of becoming Dark Phoenix and trying to find ways to avoid it, and the second arc dealing with the fact that the Phoenix Force is back and wants her as a host. In the second to last issue she fights off the Phoenix Force and it burns up her leaving a skeleton, because the Phoenix just decides to resurrect (adult) Jean in the concurrent "Phoenix Resurrection: The Return of Jean Grey" mini-series. Ms marvel isn't on this list
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I'm finally almost at X of Swords. Anyway, just finished Marauders #10 where Emma mindwiped a whole ship of bigots and poo poo. I was just thinking...it be a very weak argument, but loopholes and technicalities are the essence of rules and laws - what if a telepath just mind-fried a human, or even a bunch of humans? They're not dead, you have not violated the stricture against "kill no man." I'd be kind of shocked if no comic goes into this over the next several years of the Krakoa Era.
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NikkolasKing posted:I'm finally almost at X of Swords. Anyway, just finished Marauders #10 where Emma mindwiped a whole ship of bigots and poo poo. Lol. Lmao. Also are you reading new mutants.
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Rochallor posted:This one is truly incomprehensible, at least with X-Man you could assume some people were picking it up because of the title. They really tried to make Dazzler happen huh It's also context. Much like how in the 50s TV seasons were like 40 episodes, then 25 by the 80s and now you're luck to get 12 a year, back in the day any random solo title ran for 5 years unless the sales figures were literally 0.
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Dazzler was also, according to Tom Brevoort, the first Marvel comic sold on the direct market and the first issue sold somewhere in the 400k range
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site posted:Ms marvel isn't on this list
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Edge & Christian posted:She hasn't had a comic book that ran more than 12 issues since joining the X-Men. If that's the case Dazzler didn't join the X-Men until AFTER her solo wrapped so she also wouldn't count.
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Cartridgeblowers posted:If that's the case Dazzler didn't join the X-Men until AFTER her solo wrapped so she also wouldn't count.
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Edge & Christian posted:She hasn't had a comic book that ran more than 12 issues since joining the X-Men. Didn't you know, she was always a mutant
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Synthbuttrange posted:Lol. Lmao. Not really. I think i red 1 issue. I guess I can go back and read the Hickman ones as suggested once I get up to issue 12 of Marauders, X-Men and Excalibur.
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New Mutants' Hickman/Ayala was really good (Brisson's issues were ok but nothing spectacular) but I bailed hard when Anders took over.
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So why did Hickman leave? Seeing where Moira ended up feels like some things got botched. Would have loved to see a Claremont like run from him.
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Shageletic posted:So why did Hickman leave? Seeing where Moira ended up feels like some things got botched. Would have loved to see a Claremont like run from him. got bored
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Shageletic posted:So why did Hickman leave? Seeing where Moira ended up feels like some things got botched. Would have loved to see a Claremont like run from him. I was under the impression that it was because the rest of the X-writers wanted to keep playing in Krakoa far longer than Hickman had planned, so he stepped back to let them cook.
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Yeah Hickman had plans to accelerate the fall of Krakoa to move more into some of the other stories he had planned but others wanted it to stay for a while. Krakoa was only supposed to be like the first act of whatever story he had to tell. In his own words:Hickman posted:When I pitched the X-Men story I wanted to do, I pitched a very big, very broad, three-act, three-event narrative, the first of which was House of X. […] as a three-year plan. I was also pretty clear with all the writers that came into the office what the initial, three-act plan was so no one would be surprised when it was time for the line to pivot. During the pandemic, when the time came for me to start pointing things toward writing the second-act event, I asked everyone if they were ready for me to do that, and to a man, everyone wanted to stay in the first act. The reality was that I knew I would be leaving the line early. So after Inferno, I’ll be leaving to go work on my ‘Next Big Marvel Thing’
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He was too expensive to just be doing the X-Men title without it being an event. If the Krakoan age was going to be extended he had to move on to something else.
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I am really glad it turned into what it did. We got some bangers from it
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Apr 16, 2024 19:08
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Yeah, I'd love to see what Hickman had planned, but it would have meant we didn't get books like Hellions or Immortal X-Men, and I don't want to give those up.
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I wouldn't trade X-terminators for anything.
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X-factor was the best krakoa book, I can't believe we lost it for the 2nd marauders volume.
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It was definitely the coolest concept that immediately disappeared and they never did anything with
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Oh so he would have ended it earlier. Then I'm glad that didn't happen! I was just really pleased at something that changed the status quo so much.
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Leah Williams really was snakebit in the X books. Her's were some of my favorite books, but they barely made it off the runway before they'd get shut down. X-Terminators was fantastic and different.
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Open Marriage Night posted:He was too expensive to just be doing the X-Men title without it being an event. If the Krakoan age was going to be extended he had to move on to something else. Thank goodness he was able to pull out incredible hit G.O.D.S. to make up for that
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Endless Mike posted:Thank goodness he was able to pull out incredible hit G.O.D.S. to make up for that I don't know if Marvel wanted some fresh IP or if Hickman demanded that he get to do some weird poo poo. I want to call GODS a mess, but I'm sure HIckman has spreadsheets and stuff that make sense of all the disparate elements. It's an interesting book, but I'm waiting to see how it all comes together.
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Dead X-Men #4 was fun. We get to see Orbis Stellaris dominion attempt, which wraps up how all 4 tried to ascend. I am convinced that part of the issue was originally intended to be in X-Men Red if it had more time. Fall of the House of X #4, wow Xavier is a jerk. What the gently caress man. Also kinda curious why Xavier is wearing different costume in this than in Rise? Am I misunderstanding when Rise takes place?
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Codependent Poster posted:G.O.D.S. is great though I'm enjoying it, but it's a bit of a mess and I have a hard time imagining it's selling anywhere near what X-Men is (though looks like #1 was the second-highest selling book when it came out, so maybe it's doing better than it seems?)
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Endless Mike posted:I'm enjoying it, but it's a bit of a mess and I have a hard time imagining it's selling anywhere near what X-Men is (though looks like #1 was the second-highest selling book when it came out, so maybe it's doing better than it seems?) Well I mean sales figures for a #1 will have more to do with the track record of the creative team (and speculator bullshit) than the actual quality of the work, won't they? I wouldn't say I'm enjoying it so much as I am reading it and going "hm" every so often.
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I've been reading through the decimation era of X-Men, about 10 mike carey issues of X-Men left before I start Messiah Complex. In general it feels like there are a lot of strong on-goings during this time, with X-Factor and New X-Men being highlights for me. Is this era as unpopular as I'd thought? Sure there is some requisite-for-the-time moral grayness but I kinda dig these stories.
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