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Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

Just want to repost this so it doesn't get lost in last month's thread

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Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

Collateral posted:

This thread obsesses too much over the lib dems. They are conversely pathetic laughable but dangerous and could be the doom of the country. It's like something I remember Eco writing about.

Look to the bright side and stop staring into shadows.

I'm very much of the opinion that nobody should underestimate the Lib Dems. They will only crash and burn if enough pressure is put on them from activists and Labour. They will likely get a lot of funding from the neoliberalist remain camp. That in itself will not be insignificant, but it will be bolstered by additional funding from those who have jumped ship from the Tory party out of disgust at Johnson.

Will they overtake Labour? Absolutely not. But if left unchecked they could be a spoiler which prevents Labour from being the largest party or have a majority.

On that topic, I'm unsure if excluding the Lib Dems from the debates will be good for Labour. If the Liberals spin it as an underdog tale for them it might increase their support especially among Remain voters. That said, it could be beneficial for Corbyn to go straight against Johnson and make the Party's case without being interrupted and told he is a Brexit enabling monster or whatever. Corbyn will be framed by Johnson as the main force for Remain in the one on one debate.

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

TwoShanks posted:

So since I'm posting tonight can someone give me some pointers to resources on trans support? My spouse is trans and will be starting transition soon (ftm) but I can't find much for partners of trans people. Also are there any good British socialist songs (other than Billy Bragg)?

Depending on your area, there might be some local support groups. Don't know where you're based, but if you're on the island of Ireland I can likely point you both in the direction of a close one!

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

I've lurked for years now. Only occasionally posted. Trying to change that now, especially with all the poo poo surrounding Brexit and the upcoming election!

Thread is good, post more.

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

Ms Adequate posted:

Your avatar pleases me immensely :allears:


Sometimes I go to YGO events because I'm a trash nerd and take my Skull Servant deck. It works sometimes! (It doesn't)

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

OwlFancier posted:

Nicola Sturgeon is more likely to be the next prime minister than swinson is.

Sturgeon and the SNP are almost guaranteed to have more seats than the Lib Dems in 2020.

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

https://twitter.com/eilidhmax/status/1191386724464824320?s=19

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

Former Canada person here who wants to move back. The place is really weird because, as already said, people don't really engage politically but they also have this weird culture of putting lawn signs up in support of a party or candidate? I was there for the federal election that saw Trudeau get in and was visiting during the last provincial election in Ontario which saw Ford (Basically Canadian Trump) become Ontario's Premier (First Minister).

I never experienced any doorknockers, any fliers outside generic main three parties, and there is little to no engagement with your local MP or MPP, which as someone who comes from Ireland is REALLY weird. Seems like for the most part candidates are parachuted in and are rarely from the constituency, let alone live in it.

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

bessantj posted:

I have no trouble believing that if JRM found himself inside Grenfall, at any time, he would have been out of there in a flash. then burnt his clothes. And bathed in bleach.

Also UKMT stop me being terribly uninformed re: Brexit. Has the NI border issue been sorted out?

The can of the hard border has been kicked from whenever Brexit happens under the current deal to about 2024. The assumption is that something will be found by then or Stormont will vote to continue the border in the Irish Sea.

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

Jedit posted:

The Lib Dems have been evil for a century. The Tories have been evil for at least 400 years.

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

PittTheElder posted:

Also getting back to 'Canadian politics is weird, MPs seem to do nothing in their community' chat, which I would agree is completely correct, can some of you UKers explain what exactly makes up Constituency Work over there? It sounds like generally better representation than we get, where if MPs are in the community it's just for simple photo ops and to cozy up with the local chamber of commerce.

Not UK, but Irish. Our TDs (MPs) are expected to field a lot of local issues, even if it isn't their job in the slightest. I did some work for Gerry Adams a few years back in his office and the bulk of our work was helping people apply for medical cards (how you access free healthcare in Ireland), applying for social housing (which was sadly the most common issue), "I booked a holiday and didn't realise my passport was out of date, can you help fast-track it?", and a decent amount of foreign nationals looking for help with dealing with the social systems and didn't know who else to turn to.

Officially, nearly all this work was delegated down to local councilors because that was their department. However, you would never say that to anyone, regardless of how banal their issue is. A lot of people are just confused or annoyed with the system and even someone just listening to them vent can help a lot.

Something else we dealt with, though this could be just because Adams was party leader at the time, was people calling to bring forward issues that they wanted mentioned in the Dail (House of Commons). Some of it was vague and not all that insightful ("Bring up how bad the HSE (Health Service Executive) is" was a common one.), but others were more policy focused and were noted down.

This is exclusively an Irish phenomenon, and more of note for especially rural areas, but TDs are expected to go to local functions and champion local causes. One independent TD who is a member of the Cabinet, Shane Ross, has made huge amounts of noise around the closure of his local police station, and made reopening it part of an agreement to him supporting government. They are also expected to go to funerals of even remotely significant people in the area. There has been plenty written about how Irish TDs are expected more than any other nation to be involved in their local constituencies. Its such a stickler for local people that the office of Minister for Foreign Affairs is seen as a way to exile a rival. It doesn't matter how well you do in office, your constituency will more often than not reduce your vote share or vote you out entirely because you are busy traveling and not helping the locals with their issues.

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

Guavanaut posted:

Does he officially deny it? :dadjoke:

You do see it as well in the British extremities, especially the non Tory ones, that's how Lib Dems managed to get and hold seats in Cornwall, Shetland, Orkney, and the Scottish Highlands before Clegg spaffed it all up the wall.

In the dim dark hours of parliament dot tv you'll definitely see random backbenchers going on about the hospital they were at in Truro and how it's unacceptable. Police and Crime Commissioners have taken over some of that for some cities though.

I actually never met him while I was there so he can legitimately deny it!

Absolutely. I'm not trying to imply that no other country does it, but rather how expected it is at all levels of government here. It's only really the Taoiseach who gets a pass at not bringing up their local whatever.

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

jabby posted:

drat what the gently caress has changed with the news?

Watched the News at 10, not only did they show clips of both Johnson and Corbyn but they actually mentioned the guy resigning over the rape trial and then pointed out that all the Tories spending pledges don't actually reverse the cuts they made since 2010.

It's like all the sucking up to the Tories was just to lull them into a false sense of security. Is this.. is this what a normal media is like?

Purdah!

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

josh04 posted:

Noel Edmonds screaming "none of you are free from sin!" at a different group of perverts every week.

Deal or No Deal was already a show.

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

OwlFancier posted:

He actually used his time machine to travel to south africa and also 1991.

His TARDIS (Time And Racist Dimensions In Space)

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

Any time I read the phrase "skills wallets" I hear it in my head in the exact same cadence as the Liz Truss video.

"Next week I'll be heading to Bristol to open up new Skills Wallets :D"

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

Wales and Scotland aren't nations, no. You're all British. You all share a common economic life, a common national language and a national character. Next you're going to pretend Cornwall's a nation.

The way this argument scans, you are also calling for a renunification of Great Britain and Ireland then? 95% of us here speak English and we have a similar economic life.

This argument can be expanded in any way. United Kingdom of Great Britain and the United States, because both speak English and have similar economies. What are you even on about?

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

All your questions and more answered here:
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1913/03a.htm

Except for the bit about America which Stalin was incorrect about. America is not a nation. It's a settler colony. But regardless the UK and US do not have common economies or national characters.

I have read this and it's a poor representation of what a nation is. To assume a nation must share a common trait of language, economy, or "values" is the argument of the right-wing blood and soil. And yes, I realise that I am saying this about Stalin.

The definition of what the nation is and who it's people's are cannot be distinctly defined. It is inherently a loose fitting that is subject to constant change.

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

Diet Crack posted:

Wonder who Chuka will defect to now

Tories

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

29,000 tweets in 18 months and I can confirm every single one has more emojis than letters

But enough about my Twitter account.

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

Gonzo McFee posted:

On top of all that it's made Piss Leslie have a normal one on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/ChrisLeslieMP/status/1195106815471734784?s=19

He'd also oppose building homes for the homeless because he's a landlord bastard.

I love the apparent idea that building social housing is non-ideological.

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

Can someone just tell Boris to shut up next time he brings up Brexit. Literally turn off his camera and microphone.

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

This tweet of hers is loving sending me

https://twitter.com/RachelRileyRR/status/1197330916198273024?s=19

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

Just realized that she whited out the name of that account while still posting all their details. What was that supposed to achieve?

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

Seen a bunch of Irish journalists review Labour's manifesto. Nearly all I've seen have commented on the public ownership of water, rail, and buses* saying that it's what we have here. Some others have said that any increase in personal taxation is basically in line with what we pay here. It really is wild seeing media types criticise it for not being left enough!

*We don't have private water companies but the one utility is semi-private. We don't pay for water, but the government did attempt to charge for water use a few years back. Mass demonstrations and massive amounts of people refusing to pay stopped that. Also, we do have a nationwide public bus service that is massively underfunded and was almost about to be privatised completely a few years ago, but those plans seem to have been dropped.

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

Seeing a lot on social media about how bad Jo; did. Anyone have any clips on hand?

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

ThomasPaine posted:

it's honestly worth watching the whole thing, it's like a well put together tasting menu that becomes more than the sum of its parts.

I wish I could, but iPlayer doesn't work outside of the UK and 90% of the VPNs I've attempted to use still cause issues with it. Is it on YouTube?

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

XMNN posted:

lol that I genuinely can't tell if this is a joke or not

https://twitter.com/jeffmason1/status/1199021076443017216?s=19

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009


Remember two weeks ago when she thought the Lib Dems could get a majority.

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

Failed Imagineer posted:

If I smooth out my brain I can somewhat understand what it means to be an apathetic non-voter. But I absolutely cannot understand someone who makes the effort to vote but also doesn't remember who they voted for.

To be fair, I can understand it to an extent. I legitimately cannot remember who I voted for (kinda) in the European elections. I know which candidates I ranked high but I don't recall in what order I put them in. It didn't help I technically voted for everyone just so I could put Peter Casey last on my list.

I know it's different in the UK or any FPTP election, but I still think it the rationale can hold over if you voted for a minor party or independent candidate that doesn't exist anymore.

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

Failed Imagineer posted:

I could remember the entire order of who I've voted for in every Irish and European election because I have a very specific ranking of politicians I hate and STV allows me to exercise that hatred to its fullest legal extent

See, I remember who I wanted to vote against and can tell you exactly who I ranked lowest (Casey, Renua, Fine Gael, Fianna Fail) but the lack of any real inspiring candidate that stood out makes it harder to remember who I actually wanted in.

I remember wanting to put the PBP candidate as my 1 vote but I was conflicted because of their advocation for Leave in NI during the referendum. I definitely understand their left-wing criticisms of the EU and don't exactly disagree, but I feel as if any Lexit argument was ultimately allying themselves with an overly racist group. I also especially think that advocating for Brexit on the island of Ireland is a tone deaf decision which ignores the border issue. I think I still ranked them high, but not first. Might have went Sinn Fein as a left leaning but also pro-EU (at the moment). Rationalised it as voting for the same bloc that PBP would be in anyway.

I also remember giving the Green candidate a high enough vote because of her great performance in the debates. That was exclusively because of her own attitudes and less of my support of the Irish Green Party who are almost a parody of a urban centric centerist Green Party.

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Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

https://twitter.com/rubot/status/1199657966158405633?s=19

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