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Jose posted:starmer breaking a million FBPE brains here To try and be charitable (not that they deserve it), the Lib Dem's target seats are overwhelmingly Tory and a campaign to win those probably involves attacking Corbyn a lot more than attacking Tories. Though I still have no doubt the Lib Dems would accept Brexit and join a coalition with the Tories ahead of supporting Labour.
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RottenK posted:libdems want brexit, it's the only thing that keeps their poo poo party alive The Lib Dems wrecking things for Labour to make Brexit happen vs Farage wrecking things for the Tories to make sure Brexit never actually happens and ruins his grift.
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Nov 1, 2019 16:40
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ronya posted:https://labour.org.uk/press/rebecca-long-bailey-responds-pwcs-high-streets-report/ I can't find a link to it now but I definitely read a study that showed for any decrease in business rates, 100% of the cost saving ends up being passed on to commercial landlords. Which makes logical sense, rent & rates are combined fixed premises costs and if the tax element falls the other one will raise. I'm sure the system is bad and can be reformed, but this whole idea that it's rates that are driving shops out of business probably isn't true and serves more of as a convenient excuse for management to dodge the blame for running crappy shops.
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Nov 4, 2019 10:48
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I'm sure I could read back a few pages and find out but could someone tell me if Jo Swinson really killed squirrels? It definitely feels true
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Nov 19, 2019 12:27
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Unfortunate timing that the leaders debate now has to be entirely about Mauricio Pochettino
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Nov 19, 2019 20:53
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The reaction I’m seeing elsewhere among people who are not Corbyn fans is that Johnson embarrassed himself and Corbyn won. This thread is the only place I’ve seen meltdowns about how Corbyn did.
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Nov 19, 2019 22:06
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https://twitter.com/JasonGroves1/status/1197151013058367488 Think he just made this up on the spot? It's a massive policy announcement to just trot out in response to a random question. Suggests they're pretty worried about how last night went at least.
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Nov 20, 2019 15:03
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namesake posted:Reminder that raising tax free thresholds are sold as helping the very poorest when the very poorest are usually completely unaffected as they don't earn more than the threshold as it is now and it's instead a tax cut for the richest people who get the full benefit and without raising the other tax bands in £ bands or %s then you're making the tax system closer to a single band system which is less progressive. I think it would save me at least £500 a year if not more which is absurd, no policy that purports to help the poor should involve giving me a tax cut.
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Nov 20, 2019 15:37
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I cannot get over how terrible that Lib Dem rental deposit loan policy is. Let's ease the housing crisis by allowing renters to take out debt they can pay directly over to someone else and likely never see again. What the situation definitely needs is even more direct state subsidy of private landlords, that will help.
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Nov 21, 2019 08:17
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I met Prince Andrew once. In 20 seconds which didn't involve much more than a handshake and "what do you do then?" he managed to give the impression of being an absolutely unspeakable twat. He radiates whatever the antithesis of charisma is like a forcefield.
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Nov 21, 2019 11:32
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kustomkarkommando posted:Lmao the Tories have bought the domain Labourmanifesto.co.uk and made it into an attack page They seem unshakeably convinced that this sort of crap is effective campaign strategy, but I get the impression it's actively counter-productive. It just makes people think they're juvenile twats.
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Nov 21, 2019 12:14
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As a general comment, a lot of people still really have no conception of how much good public sector pensions are worth compared to the dogshit on offer in the private sector. You can gross the amount MPs are paid up by about 40% a year to get to the equivalent amount they'd have to earn in the private sector to account for the lost pension value. Arguably considerably more given the amount of market risk a private sector pension faces vs a government guaranteed one.
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Nov 21, 2019 16:26
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£80k is certainly enough for anyone to live comfortably without having to think about money as a day to day worry, but I hesitate to say it's rich because wealth is much more about assets than income. Wealth in the UK mostly comes from houses and pensions, not income. A computer programmer earning £90k a year at a startup in London is very likely to be materially less wealthy than eg. a local government worker earning £50k anywhere outside the south-east with a public sector pension and a four bedroom house. £80k per year might put you in the top 5% of PAYE earners, but you need £1.7m of assets to be in the top 5% of actual wealthiest. £262k is what it takes to be even in the top 50%.
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Nov 22, 2019 16:26
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Failed Imagineer posted:Wouldn't that include housing as an asset tho? I imagine a large proportion of 80ks have at least that in a house, or even just equity It does include housing but I don't think it's a fair at all to assume that the group of people earning that sort of PAYE income now has such a huge crossover with the asset rich. Being asset rich is much more a function of: a) being old enough to have bought a house before the 2006 or 2013 property booms b) working in the public sector (seriously those pensions are really, really, really valuable)
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Nov 22, 2019 16:37
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https://twitter.com/NickCohen4/status/1198211153194868746 If Boris Johnson wins a majority, it will be because the Labour Party is not sufficiently Tory to make Tories vote for them. Christ. These people are genuinely outraged that the Labour Party don't exist to just cancel Brexit and change nothing else.
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Nov 23, 2019 13:34
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What's the betting that "free hospital parking" involves just ordering the NHS Trusts to pay the private parking charges and not providing any increase in funding to cover it. Though I'm not a huge fan of the pensions intervention Labour are promising either tbh. With all the things that desperately need investment in this country, using £58bn as just a direct cash bribe to boomers doesn't seem like the most inspiring use of money.
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Nov 24, 2019 09:12
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thespaceinvader posted:Yeah, calling pensions a bribe to boomers is kind of... harsh? They didn't pay it over the course of their life though. Not aiming that specifically at WASPI women who didn't work, boomers in general didn't pay anything like enough tax to cover the various pension entitlements they granted themselves. The younger generations are paying for it, in the same way that they will spend literally their entire lives paying for everything that has been done over the last 10 years to shield boomers from suffering any financial consequences of the 2008 crash. Making posts like this makes me feel Tory and I hate it, but there is a lack of appreciation of the staggering extent of the wealth transfer that has happened from the young to the old over the last decade.
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Nov 24, 2019 09:43
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OwlFancier posted:I mean that's the nature of a pension... you stop working and are sustained by the labour of those younger than you. But the economics of it right now are completely broken. As a younger person you are not paying now for a system that will in turn be there to support you. You're paying for a very specific group of people to receive a level of benefit that no-one following them will ever receive. If you normalise for housing costs, the income of the retired is now higher than those in work, this is not a sustainable model. I think if most people were offered the chance to turn the NHS into the most swish, luxurious and perfect healthcare system there ever was for it's current users, with the proviso that it will completely vanish in 30 years they'd think that was stupid and selfish. But that's more or less the trade-off we're currently making with shovelling ever more money into boomer pensions.
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Nov 24, 2019 10:11
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To be clear I am in no way arguing for abolishing state pensions, just that changes to the system are absolutely going to be required and I'm not convinced by how much justice or fairness there is in putting £58bn behind this particular cause to protect this particular group from the effects of any changes. We're not talking piddly numbers here, that's about half the annual operating budget of the entire NHS. Doing this or not will have a genuinely material impact on Labour's ability to pursue other manifesto policies.
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Nov 24, 2019 10:50
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3 weeks out from the 2017 election Survation were still showing a 12 point Tory lead. Which is not to say you should dismiss polls, Survation were probably correct at that point. But more to say that polls are just snapshots of a few days prior and we've got evidence that large swings can happen in three weeks of campaigning.
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Nov 24, 2019 16:21
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Pesky Splinter posted:https://twitter.com/joswinson/status/1197952220844711936 It's genius. Give young people the chance to take on state backed debt to further subsidise the buy-to-let market. Leverage the nation's balance sheet to make sure house prices never fall. Boomers with property portfolios must be protected.
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Nov 24, 2019 16:25
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RockyB posted:Oh poo poo oh poo poo oh poo poo labour is going to nationalise us. Quick, let's set up an overseas holding company! That's sure to protect our physical assets that we can't loving move out of the UK. Ah yes, it's because of Corbyn we've decided to move to lower tax nations. Bad Corbyn, forcing us to do this thing we definitely wouldn't have done anyway. The idea that you can "redomicile" the entirety of the nation's energy infrastructure is a pretty good illustration of the absurdity of modern capitalism and how badly these companies need to be brought in line.
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Nov 24, 2019 18:16
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:What reaction are any of you phone canvassing getting? Our people are reporting bad reaction "how did you get my number" etc. Surely that's the default expectation? No-one likes unsolicited calls.
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Nov 24, 2019 21:32
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ThomasPaine posted:Have any of the papers come out backing parties yet or are we not doubt this this time round The Telegraph is still seriously considering their position.
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Nov 24, 2019 23:46
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sebzilla posted:https://twitter.com/joelgolby/status/1199321620059492357 I like that this article makes absolutely no bones about the fact that "register to vote" explicitly means "register to vote and then vote for Labour"
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Nov 26, 2019 15:09
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I'm not sure how much weight the anti-semitism accusations really carry with the electorate at this point, it's so transparently politically motivated. The danger is it allows the media to completely drown out any reporting on Labour's policies and ideas and that is fatal. I just read that Boris Johnson hasn't actually confirmed his appearance on Andrew Neill. I reckon he'll skip it entirely, it's way too much of a risk.
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Nov 27, 2019 09:44
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You missed this masterpiece of its kind of the Mail
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Nov 27, 2019 15:58
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Great brain genius Dominic Cummings updated his blog https://dominiccummings.com/2019/11...-foreign-votes/ It's seems extremely normal and not at all like deranged ranting
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Nov 27, 2019 18:35
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Chuff McNothing posted:30 tory seats within 5% Let's be realistic though, I am very sceptical that a single loving one of those Tories claiming they'll vote Lib Dem will actually do it on election day.
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Nov 27, 2019 23:08
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Today I got a leaflet with a bar graph saying "the Lib Dems got the most votes in your constituency in the last election, we can win here!" Kier Starmer got 70% of the vote here in 2017 and Labour have 32/33 council seats (with the last being Green) so wtf are they talking about?
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Nov 28, 2019 09:55
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If anyone does fancy political betting this new Yougov poll has the odds on a hung parliament out at 5/2 and beyond, which seems lovely to me.
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Nov 28, 2019 10:47
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The BBC is a lot more than news and most of it is still very good. I don't think you need to burn down the entire light entertainment division to say "hey please stop employing people who used to be active members of the Tory party in all your key news presenting and editorial positions"
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Nov 28, 2019 10:54
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OwlFancier posted:Oh no how will the world survive without lovely period dramas and doctor who. It's true, period dramas and Doctor Who are literally the only non-news output the BBC produces. The world would survive without a lot of generally good things, doesn't mean it would be a better place for it. Given the desire for sweeping nationalisation under a Corbyn government, I don't really understand the impulse to dismantle a massive and successful publicly run organisation. Let's nationalise everything except TV, privatise that as quickly as possible?
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Nov 28, 2019 11:07
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OwlFancier posted:Because the primary function of the BBC is to produce mindless crap and outright propaganda for the government. You could turn it into pravda if you wanted to, but it should be with the intent of burning it to the ground with everyone still inside the minute it looks like the tories might get their hands on it. The news department is mostly a disgrace and needs to be gutted, but the idea that Strictly Come Dancing and Celebrity Masterchef are all part of some deep-state Tory state propaganda exercise that cannot be allowed to exist under a Corbyn government is just deranged ranting.
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Nov 28, 2019 11:21
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https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1200392648667860992 Get 'em Jez
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Nov 29, 2019 13:35
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https://twitter.com/MayorofLondon/status/1200442684298661895 Treating the incident as though its terrorism-related as a precaution doesn't suggest anything suicide-vesty is likely.
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Nov 29, 2019 16:56
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I'm just reading the stuff from that press conference Boris did this morning. Nationalisation is the bad socialism... but state aid for companies failing as a result of Brexit is Really Good. The 2019 Tory Party is so odd.
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Nov 29, 2019 22:46
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Random thought: if the Tories do get a big majority, what are the chances Priti Patel actually tries to bring the death penalty back for terrorism offences? She would definitely do it if she could.
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Nov 30, 2019 15:10
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I'm enjoying the Lib Dem collapse but they still need to hold the line in some places, like Raab's constituency. https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1200855757362782209
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