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Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

https://twitter.com/KateMaltby/status/1190266710810648576
My god, it's beautiful.

# ¿ Nov 2, 2019 01:16

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# ¿ May 9, 2024 21:27

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1190554559321645057
Don't think I've ever been in more of a :thermidor:

mood than after reading the quotes in this, goddamn.

# ¿ Nov 2, 2019 16:37

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

https://mobile.twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1191772096915001344
jesus gently caress

# ¿ Nov 5, 2019 19:27

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

The stupidest (though not the most monstrous) thing about what Rees-Mogg said is that if he really was a Very Clever Fellow who lived on a high floor in Grenfell, he�d have known that shelter-in-place was a proven strategy that had worked for every major high-rise fire up to then (and would probably have worked at Grenfell too if someoene hadn�t coated the exterior with napalm), and he�d have stayed in his flat until it was too late, chiding his neighbours who made a run for it as easily-panicked idiots.

But no, he�s a Clever person, so of course he would have done the Correct thing, even if what that thing was is something we can only know in hindsight, based on knowledge he couldn�t have had at the time.

# ¿ Nov 5, 2019 20:47

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

https://mobile.twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1192802098473324544
If it were me, I might want more than a single Yougov poll a month out from the election before declaring Vindication for Winner Boris, but I suppose I�m just a lowly dumbass and not a highly paid expert political commentator.

# ¿ Nov 8, 2019 16:48

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

God bless the Graun and the inexplicably huge, hi-res images of Joris they use as article headers (expand at your own risk):

# ¿ Nov 9, 2019 00:21

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:

i was reading the grenfell report earlier, it goes out of the way to mention the gas pipes not being a reason for the fire spread despite earlier indications. they still had the pipework exposed and not boxed in months after the refurb though, but that's decorative and more a sign of shoddy workmanship than changing the hazard of it all. nothing about the pipes being in the stairwell (i do vaguely recall that mentioned at the time), and the report does praise a specific engineer for cutting the supply which was the fuel source after everything else had failed around it

mentioned it elsewhere but the stage 1 report - despite the news articles trying to flay the fire department - is more focused on the control room being understaffed and procedures for staying on the line until the person is rescued not adding up to the amount of calls coming in. keep in mind stage 1 focuses on night of fire and response, meaning the inquiry can't say what lead up to them being in that state until stage 2

there was also communication issues on the ground between fire/police/ambulance (they were deciding if was a major incident of not 30m between each other but not telling anyone else). no sharing of info between the control room personnel of the status of each room (and it not getting fed back to ground crew). they were unprepared for dealing with a high-rise that should have had compartmentalisation failing and no one with authority was making the call to call off the stay-put order (~50m after the fire started is the judgement in hindsight of the paper when the fire was clearly out of control, but stay-put was called off over 1.5h later)

the main point of the inquiry is in stage 2 though, this seemed aimed at delving into the minute-by-minute response of a crisis scenario and it's not surprising that things didn't go to plan

that's just off memory though so have a read of vol. 1 and 4: https://www.grenfelltowerinquiry.org.uk/phase-1-report

This is from a couple of days back, but thanks so much for the link to the report, I've been going through it since it was posted (it's massive). I know we've all (justifiably) focused on the owners and all their monstrous neglect that caused this to happen, but ever since the fire I've kept coming back to this interview with a distraught survivor about how he was rescued by firefighters but his brother who was with him in the same flat was left behind:
https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/875437370178285568
Several hundred pages into the report there's a description of the failed evacuation of the 14th floor. It's apparently being left for the follow-up inquiry to go into in more detail, but it sounds like there was a really bad gently caress-up and people were essentially left behind to die:

# ¿ Nov 9, 2019 07:39

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

crispix posted:

If we lose this election we lose everything, don't we?

More or less, but hey, in the long run:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlOxHjqRQOo

# ¿ Nov 9, 2019 09:01

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

Oh, another thing from the Grenfell report - Whirlpool trying to convince the inquiry that instead of a fault in their fridge-freezer, the initial fire was caused by someone throwing a lit cigarette from the upper floors that bounced into the 4th floor window and ignited hypothetical inflammable substances on the floor:

# ¿ Nov 9, 2019 09:51

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

Very glad to hear that Britain's economic juggernaut is firing on all cylinders!

:shepface:

# ¿ Nov 11, 2019 00:13

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

Gonzo McFee posted:

https://twitter.com/DTraynier/status/1193946002144813056?s=19

You ever realise you're in a simulation of reality designed to test how much you'll take before you call bullshit

Crispin James Alan Nevill Money-Coutts, 9th Baron Latymer (born 8 March 1955) is a descendant of Thomas Addis Emmet, Irish Nationalist, and Thomas Coutts, Banker. In 2003, Money-Coutts inherited the title Baron Latymer from his father, Hugo Money-Coutts, 8th Baron Latymer (1926�2003). He was educated at Eton and Keble College, Oxford.

He is a retired International Private Banker. He has three children: journalist and novelist Sophia, celebrity agent, Rosie and the British magician Drummond Money-Coutts.

# ¿ Nov 11, 2019 20:12

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

Ms Adequate posted:

I have read both these articles and the mind reels and boggles, barely able and utterly unwilling to take in the information presented.

The trite thing to say would be this woman is bonkers, and I'm trying not to because I know some people with mental illness consider it damaging to use it as such shorthand; but it doesn't matter here as this goes far beyond mere mental disturbance, and would slander us honest bedlamites. It's like she's from an entirely alien reality where every single thing about human psychology, childhood development, and even the simple definition of "kindness" are vastly, incomprehensibly different. It isn't even 'opposite', it's all entirely unmoored from any frame of reference.

https://twitter.com/Miss_Snuffy/status/1193987690754117633
she genuinely seems to believe that anyone under the age of 18 is an Elemental Mischief Demon who must be forcibly held down and vigorously hammered into the shape of a Proper Responsible Adult, lest they destroy civilized society

so of course she's a nationally respected education thought leader, what could be more natural

# ¿ Nov 12, 2019 05:10

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

Chuka Umana posted:

You can't make a child work if they don't want to. I don't think people can comprehend the fact you cannot discipline a child into being more productive.

Well yes, that's because the child is infected with Original Sin, obviously :rolleyes:

.
https://twitter.com/Miss_Snuffy/status/1193576793867005952

# ¿ Nov 12, 2019 05:26

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

Apraxin posted:

God bless the Graun and the inexplicably huge, hi-res images of Joris they use as article headers (expand at your own risk):

They keep doing it, why do they keep doing it?!?

# ¿ Nov 13, 2019 02:45

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1195110530056409089
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1195111987329536000
Wow, what a great analogy!

# ¿ Nov 15, 2019 01:47

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

Gonzo McFee posted:

https://twitter.com/nadinebh_/status/1195698233647009792

# ¿ Nov 16, 2019 21:17

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

Jose posted:

https://twitter.com/BeardedGenius/status/1195816050706800642?s=09

https://twitter.com/Coth_1888/status/1195819254056194050

# ¿ Nov 16, 2019 23:16

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

Pilchenstein posted:

Absolutely rattled lol

https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1195835913957457926
How is the Mail even real?

# ¿ Nov 17, 2019 00:02

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

Jose posted:

Lmao

https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1195961819610918913?s=19

quote:

Referring to one recent call to Johnson, she says: �He heard my voice. And I knew it was him. And he hung up. He said �Yes, hello� and I simply asked: �Why did you block me?� I wasn�t calling to cause problems, I merely just wanted a simple ... acknowledgement for what had happened.�

On another occasion, shortly after Johnson became prime minister, Arcuri says she was very keen to speak to him because she had heard that reporters were contacting her friends.

�When I expressed the interest to want to speak to him, I was told: �There are bigger things at stake�, and I was brushed off as if I was one of Kennedy�s girlfriends showing up to his White House switchboard, you know, here to do my, you know, calling. And I felt so disgusted and humiliated that I was told: �Bigger things are at stake; never mind you, he�s too busy for you�.�

Arcuri said that, when she tried his personal phone on yet another occasion, she was summarily passed to someone who spoke to her in a language she believed to be Chinese.

Starting to think the PM might be a spineless, self-obsessed arsehole!

# ¿ Nov 17, 2019 16:46

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

The only advice I can give about the polls (advice that I'm too dumb to follow myself) is to try not to spend time thinking about them, because there's so much contradictory information that you can go mad tying yourself in knots:

:ohdear:

all the polls show substantial Tory leads

but they showed the same margins at this point in 2017 and it meant gently caress all in the end

:ohdear:

but the polls were showing swings to Labour at this point in the 2017 campaign

but the 2017 polls were rebounding from historic lows, the initial gap to the Tories was much bigger

:ohdear:

but surely we'd see some movement in at least some of them by this point

but the methodology that at least some of them are using is questionable at best and other have vested interests in showing a big Tory victory

...and on and on and on. If they're still showing a 15 point gap in two weeks it's probably time to feel bad, but even then I still wouldn't be sure.

# ¿ Nov 17, 2019 21:39

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

OwlFancier posted:

Well yeah we've all got some kind of brain at the moment but like, I'm trying to imagine what that's gonna do when we start regressing back to remembering times we didn't believe something happened 50 years ago which was also yesterday.

It's gonna be like buzz aldrin was actually the first one on the moon but he defected to the soviet union and the CIA covered it up because he uncovered the secret moon paedophile conspiracy that's why he died.

# ¿ Nov 19, 2019 18:40

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

Ratjaculation posted:

(currently) 78/22 to JC is good, but 9 years of Tories and still 22%... we don't deserve to float anymore.

https://mobile.twitter.com/YouGov/status/1196898105440034816

# ¿ Nov 19, 2019 22:12

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

Normal mugs for Normal people.

# ¿ Nov 21, 2019 00:37

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

big scary monsters posted:

Surprising that Rachel "I don't look like a typical Jew" Riley doesn't see any problem with that t-shirt.

Not gonna post it here coz I know the thread hates posting rando twitter lunatics just to get mad at them, but I went down the rabbit hole and found the person who made the shirt for her (and apparently one for Obermann too).

Their genuine, heartfelt position seems to be that because he was part of a left-wing challenge to the board of one of the UK anti-apartheid groups in he mid 80s, Corbyn participating in that protest was actually him demonstrating his racism and �nearly destroying the anti-apartheid movement�. Therefore the T-shirt is cool and morally righteous.

It�s... fascinating, in its own way.

# ¿ Nov 21, 2019 03:05

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

winegums posted:

https://twitter.com/bbcquestiontime/status/1197651546940608514

Richard Burgon isn't a great communicator. He really just could've stuck to the topic here instead of crowbarring in stuff about billionaires. Or flat out said "if you're on 80k, you'll be paying an extra �8 a month so people don't die on the streets, so kids don't go to school hungry, so grannies aren't dying of urosepsis on trollies in hospital corridors. If that's too much for you to pay, just loving abstain from the vote you utter oval office".

The audience guy was a moron and really handed this to Burgon by flat out denial of reality and he still kinda flubbed it.

*belligerent idiot who�s misunderstood the tax system and his own immense financial privilege digs in heels as everyone tells him he�s wrong*

Beeb: Audience Member Accuses Labour of Lies Over Tax Policy

Taking hope from the replies almost universally dunking on him though.

# ¿ Nov 22, 2019 01:58

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

Pochoclo posted:

Look I understand that homeless people are freezing to death out there but I will have to pay an extra dozen quid a year so it's impossible to say whether it'd be good or bad *swims in gold coins*

I think a significant portion of people would unambiguously say that paying an extra dozen quid a year to stop homeless people freezing to death would be bad. gently caress, based on the dog license fee guy from the Boris clip this morning, there's more than a few who'd pay extra if it meant more homeless people freezing to death.

# ¿ Nov 22, 2019 02:30

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

The latest Ashcroft focus group write-ups are out, if anyone fancies staring into the abyss:

quote:

Labour�s promise of free broadband for all had cut through to an unusual degree, albeit to what might charitably be called a mixed response. Many of these previous Labour voters thought it sounded like an odd sort of priority: �I might nationalise certain essential things. But I�m not desperately sure I would nationalise wi-fi;� �There are people sleeping in cold homes, kids without warm clothes, families on the breadline. I just don�t think this is top of the list;� �I work six days a week to provide my family with the necessities to live with. Broadband is a luxury, not a necessity. You have to work for it, you don�t get given it. If you don�t want to graft or pay your dues, that�s cool, but don�t expect to get it for free.�

They also tended to see it as a transparent bribe, and not a particularly believable one: �It�s trying to go after first-time voters, because for teenagers, wi-fi is everything. So for people who haven�t looked into it and haven�t paid taxes, if they�re going to have something like that for free it�s a vote winner;� �The government is paying, so we are;� �It would be like two megabytes a second, then you have to upgrade;� �Nothing is going to be free. Is it unlimited? It will be something like, the broadband is free, but the router is five thousand pounds. They�re going to make the money back somehow;� �Next they�re going to promise you three years of Greggs or something.�

Some also worried about what state-run broadband would actually be like: �Slow. Unreliable;� �They�d be able to listen down every Alexa in every house;� �It screams �state-owned internet� to me. It�s not going to be North Korea, but it does scream �control�; �It would be like Big Brother, with all your personal details and social media profiles and everything else. Would you want that in a government-owned business?�

# ¿ Nov 22, 2019 18:03

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

https://mobile.twitter.com/jon_trickett/status/1197932035421200384
After Brexit and (especially) Trump it feels incredibly odd to be on the other side of �polls are skewed, media are biased, every conventional wisdom saying he�s doomed is just wrong, he�s going to win because his ground game is in our hearts�.

# ¿ Nov 22, 2019 19:31

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1197970464955604992
This aged well from all of ten minutes ago

# ¿ Nov 22, 2019 21:17

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

OwlFancier posted:

https://twitter.com/PaulDock93/status/1197947792876027904

I only know bobby sands turtleneck but I like the look of the fisherman/extra from Zulu cosplayer.

Not gonna post his name in case it�s wrong, but there�s a convincing-looking tweet thread about the bottom-right guy being an extreme ulster nationalist bandsman who of course has been invited on QT several times.

# ¿ Nov 22, 2019 23:26

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

https://twitter.com/Berlin4Labour/status/1198219688469250049
Someone show this to Mark Francois, maybe it'll give him an aneurysm.

# ¿ Nov 23, 2019 18:25

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

twoot posted:

It fills me with cringe to watch comrades (and there have been a lot of them this last week) get conspiratorial about polling companies. It's not worth it. They are individual snapshots of public opinion that are worthwhile only to observe trends if you are a supporter of a particular party.

It probably doesn't help that the media puts them front and center and portrays them as objective truth, which is absolutely loving maddening. Here's the Observer on the Opinium poll from today:

quote:

The Conservatives have taken a commanding 19-point lead over Labour with less than three weeks to go before voters head to the polls, according to the latest Opinium poll for the Observer.

The news comes as Boris Johnson launches the Tory election manifesto on Sunday, a moment seen by many Conservative MPs as the most dangerous of the campaign. It was Theresa May�s botched manifesto in 2017, which included an unpopular social care policy dubbed the �dementia tax�, that played a major part in the collapse in her poll ratings.

The Tory share of the vote now stands at 47%, with Labour on 28% and the Lib Dems falling back to 12%. Also struggling is the Brexit party, which has collapsed to 3%. Underlying the Tory lead is the party�s success in attracting support from Leave voters: three-quarters of them say they would vote Conservative.

'If the election is held today, the Tories will take 47% of the vote. They have won over 75% of Leave voters.'

# ¿ Nov 24, 2019 00:31

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

Meanwhile...
https://twitter.com/danbloom1/status/1198574204494503939
:psyduck:

# ¿ Nov 24, 2019 17:41

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

https://twitter.com/danbloom1/status/1198658820022640645

:shepface:

# ¿ Nov 24, 2019 18:48

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Apparently it's worse than the last couple of elections. I do know our local branch had similar a few months on a local members only canvas.
So does it help, hinder or make no difference to votes for Labour do you think?

Dunno whose on your lists, but I�ve seen some (US) studies that found non-targeted the phone canvassing close to the election had a detrimental effect where you ended up calling a lot of lower enthusiasm supporters of the opposing party, who were like �oh cool thanks for reminding me why I hate you bastards, I�ll be sure to go out and vote against you now�

# ¿ Nov 24, 2019 21:59

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

Chuka Umana posted:

What should I be taking from these poll numbers today? It seems like Labour isn't closing the gap.

You should take away that the polls are showing a big Tory lead, a few weeks out from the election; that�s about it.

I�m not as blase about dismissing them wholesale as some people are, but the gap is the same as it was at this point in 2017... although Labour haven�t closed the gap from start of campaign at the rate last time around... although most polls from right before Election Day then ended up being off by 5 to 12 points.

They�re open to whichever interpretation your hopes and fears want to project. If you want Labour to win they mean you should go and campaign, donate, whatever you think you can do, and they�d mean the same thing if they were showing Labour 20 points ahead.

# ¿ Nov 24, 2019 22:21

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

OwlFancier posted:

It has to be a parody
https://twitter.com/YuppieLAD/status/1198699847395815425

It HAS to be.

Look at all my dollars I printed out on dad's work printer.

Edit: yes it is, already posted

# ¿ Nov 25, 2019 03:15

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

USPol, but Trump just called a surprise news conference and I�m getting unmoored from reality watching it:
https://mobile.twitter.com/jeffmason1/status/1199019645656862721

# ¿ Nov 25, 2019 18:57

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

xtothez posted:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/labour-campaigner-assault-arrest-election-hellaby-rotherham-yorkshire-a9216646.html

Something something momentum thugs...

https://mobile.twitter.com/tomedwardsbbchw/status/1199009976305496066
Took me a minute to realize this was two separate incidents :smith:

# ¿ Nov 25, 2019 19:09

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# ¿ May 9, 2024 21:27

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

# ¿ Nov 25, 2019 23:52

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