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Serf
May 5, 2011


ahh that new thread smell

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Serf
May 5, 2011


Addamere posted:

I once observed this in the wild while I was in Chicago

chicago style deep dick

Serf
May 5, 2011


euphronius posted:

why are they worried about paying for it lmao

just print money

warren is concerned with appealing to professional brainiacs and republicans

Serf
May 5, 2011



yep. but warren is too dumb to understand that the old ways are dead

Serf
May 5, 2011


i currently pay more for healthcare than i do in taxes. and i still don't have the time off needed to go to the doctor, so raise my loving taxes president bernie

Serf
May 5, 2011


Hatebag posted:

Yeah it sounds like it requires contributions from employers to have enough money. What a goddamned load! Why the gently caress should my employer have any goddamned thing to do with my healthcare? Just tax the fuckin rich

almost like its a bad plan because technocrats are bad at politics

Serf
May 5, 2011


Hatebag posted:

:thunk: it's a wonk work

that's why its only ever been bernie baby

Serf
May 5, 2011


are we going to add a payroll tax to pay for the foreverwar? or are we allowed to endlessly print money with no complaints for that

Serf
May 5, 2011


accepting the framing of "how will you pay for it" is just shooting yourself in the foot

Serf
May 5, 2011


brugroffil posted:

does bernie's plan cover dental and vision too because that's a neat and good feature

you bet your rear end it does

Serf
May 5, 2011


brugroffil posted:

why are you against corporations lol

ftfy

Serf
May 5, 2011


euphronius posted:

ikr

although if the paying for it involves huge structural taxes on accumulated wealth I guess that’s a little better

luckily bernie is the only person in the race with an actual wealth tax

Serf
May 5, 2011


paying for the plan that doesn't even include mental health care lol

Serf
May 5, 2011


brugroffil posted:

none of these plans from Warren or Sanders or gently caress even lovely centrists like Harris or Buttigeig have any chance of passing the 117th Congress anyway

then what's even the point

Serf
May 5, 2011


Kurtofan posted:

The family is twlking about the joker god help me

tell them its a leftist movie

Serf
May 5, 2011


Epic High Five posted:

There's a big list of stuff he can do on day 1 by fiat that are all super popular and will gain him the public support he needs to browbeat and threaten the succ into getting in line or being defeated humiliatingly next round

That's the official plan in fact. I don't know what Warren's is

her plan is to win and then be obama 2.0, but with even less stuff getting done

Serf
May 5, 2011


SpiderHyphenMan posted:

Mental health care is covered but by all means continue obsessing over a blurb on a website.

no its not dumb gently caress

Serf
May 5, 2011


brugroffil posted:

it's why I don't really give a poo poo about the primary in-fighting and will just vote Bernie come March!



also it's good to have energetic and enthusiastic advocates like Bernie trying to take lead of the party because he can then rail against a lovely and broken system that will hopefully lead to change in the near future. I am an idiot who still has some threads of hope for electoralism and the ability to fix our broken country though, your opinions may differ

exactly. vote for bernie, poo poo on warren and all others

Serf
May 5, 2011


deadwing posted:

Lmao I love trump, better than expected job numbers com out and he adds nearly 200k to number for literally no reason


Trumc

its almost like nothing matters

Serf
May 5, 2011


brugroffil posted:

Sanders would also have a wide range of foreign policy things he can do day 1 with zero say from Congress and he's substantially better than Warren there.



If Warren were somehow able to implement her whole platform it'd be the most radical leftward shift in this country since FDR, maybe even bigger than the New Deal. It'd still only be a half-measure for what we really need though! Sanders would be like 3/4 of the way there? I'm not sure if anyone is calling for fully nationalizing our energy infrastructure and spending hundreds of billions on renewables and energy storage R&D day 1

https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1188541919485399040?s=20

Serf
May 5, 2011


brugroffil posted:

At least on the face of it this seems like a good political move by Warren because her team managed to thread the needle of getting a M4A plan that doesn't raise "middle class" taxes so maybe pundits/moderators can finally shut the gently caress up with their idiot right wing talking point questions in every debate or interview

well, no they're going to rightly point out that it is still a tax on the "middle class" because of course its going to be. she should do like bernie and reframe the question about what we justify paying for already

Serf
May 5, 2011


brugroffil posted:

she's done that already though I think? pundits whine after every time she is asked the question and she responds Bernie-like along the lines of "it's going to be cheaper overall" rather than falling into the idiot trap of only caring about the [taxes] line in your paycheck and not the [health insurance premiums]

i've yet to see this

Serf
May 5, 2011


brugroffil posted:

I don't think her plan has any room for private insurance at all?

well unless you want mental health care services

Serf
May 5, 2011


brugroffil posted:

that's weird because it's come up in every debate so far and then idiot media whines about it and jerkoffs like MAYOR PETE!!!! try to attack her on it

yeah, weird

Serf
May 5, 2011


fits my needs posted:

isn't she supporting the lady that resigned for banging her staffer or something along with nancy

well she's supporting the woman who got revenge porn'd and nancy pelosi's stance was "never take nudes"

Serf
May 5, 2011


Elephanthead posted:

oh well I guess we just keep letting everyone not have healthcare libs are owned.

no, we'll go with the guy who has the plan that covers mental health care

Serf
May 5, 2011


brugroffil posted:

GOP: SOCIALISM IS EVEIL AND WILL DESTROY AMERICA AND WILL NEVER BE ACCEPTED IN THE HEARTLAND!!


https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1190259726258450432

there have been "welfare farmers" who intentionally mismanage their own crops and get paid for as long as i've been alive. now its just less deliberate self-sabotage and more everything is loving falling apart lol

Serf
May 5, 2011


a.lo posted:

it’s the democrats

the democrats would find a way to stop isis by being incompetent

Serf
May 5, 2011


SpiderHyphenMan posted:

There's a difference between good faith criticism/genuine concern, as EHF has shown, and trying to tear down someone you see as a threat rather than a potential ally, as Serf has shown.
In conclusion c-spam is a land of contrasts.

lol shut the gently caress up idiot. warren is a fair-weather friend and should be treated as such. sorry my posts rule and make you cry

Serf
May 5, 2011


sucks that the best people in american politics are an old man who survived in a tiny corner of the world for decades and a bunch of young women who are only just getting started on trying to fix this poo poo

Serf
May 5, 2011


brugroffil posted:

can confirm that serf is, in fact, a good and cool poster

appreciate the congrats

Serf
May 5, 2011



getting flashbacks to an rpg session that i ran from this past weekend

Serf
May 5, 2011


if there's one thing we can safely say its that polls mean nothing

Serf
May 5, 2011


WarMECH posted:

americans love socialism and socialist policy they just dont like the word socialism also americans are idiots

more and more people are even shedding their aversion to the word socialism. i do still get plenty of funny looks when i tell people i'm a communist tho

Serf
May 5, 2011



no

Serf
May 5, 2011



absolutely not

Serf
May 5, 2011


Marx Headroom posted:

Yet you participate in society. Curious! I an very intelligent.

literally saw someone saying you can't critique a game's depiction of capitalism because video games and computers wouldn't exist without capitalism

Serf
May 5, 2011


fits my needs posted:

don't got $40k in the bank comrade

at this point, who does?

Serf
May 5, 2011


Marx Headroom posted:

almost everything good and enriching exists despite capitalism

also tetris was created under socialism

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Serf
May 5, 2011


Addamere posted:

He's making fun of me getting a payout from the VA for my disability.

oh well that sucks. sincerely, enjoy your cash and the respite it gives you

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