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That Works posted:It's more $52 trillion compared to what's being spent currently than "need to come up with another $52 trillion" unless I am mistaken. $52 trillion is the total of estimated healthcare spending over ten years from private, state, and federal sources. The real number to look at is the $20.5 trillion in new federal spending.
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All of this healthcare stuff and how the winds will blow is very interesting to me, especially as someone who works for a company that helps hospital/chains to manage and lower costs through our services.
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Nov 1, 2019 17:17
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we also really need to ramp up residency funding if we're ever going to hope to actually let people see a physician
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Nov 1, 2019 17:35
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Also I just want to address this point from the article that redneck nazgul posted because lolquote:All companies have to do to avoid rather large head tax charges is spin off workers into independent contractor status or spin them off into firms with less than 50 employees that they then contract with for services. Do we seriously think that Wal-Mart or General Motors are going to dissolve their companies into countless >50 person entities to avoid costs that they're already paying, under a rule that already exists? Like there seem to be issues with the employer aspect of Warren's healthcare plan, but this is the dumbest possible critique and should not be taken seriously.
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Nov 1, 2019 17:37
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Jobs in healthcare are the epitome of bloat and bullshit. When I worked for a hospital system to make a vendor purchase I had to fill out 8 short pages of web forms on their slow-rear end server, just so someone else on the administrative end could do the same thing, before someone else could physically call and make the purchase with the vendor. The problem is that too many people are dependent on these bullshit jobs and the ruling class would rather have people doing useless tasks than just give out UBI. Healthcare, and other associated bullshit bureaucratic jobs are a jobs program. Some anthropologist (lol) has written about this phenomenon https://www.newyorker.com/books/under-review/the-bullshit-job-boom
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Nov 1, 2019 17:40
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Also I just want to address this point from the article that redneck nazgul posted because lol You subcontract everything to a temp agency that uses independent contractors. Many service industries have been doing this for a long time. Its very common for call centers for example. Even within the auto industry temps are used on the line a lot of places and all they'd have to do there is to switch agencies to get the total cost of employees down.
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i could see them going the independent contractor route amazon does a shitload of it so it's definitely feasible for a large corp to do
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Nov 1, 2019 17:41
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Any kind of real healthcare reform would have to address the independent contractor bullshit that large (and smaller!) corporations do all the time. e: Also we need to address companies abusing part time workers to avoid giving benefits.
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Nov 1, 2019 17:43
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GM doesn't directly employe everyone involved with their vehicle manufacturing, almost all the parts are made by other companies with their own rules etc. This is true for most major manufacturing places.
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hobbesmaster posted:You subcontract everything to a temp agency that uses independent contractors. Except there are limits to how much you can do this, and many companies are already doing this to the greatest possible degree they can get away with. Which means that it's disingenuous to suggest that every company will immediately start doing this (As though they weren't already) and that it's a fundamental flaw in the plan when the >50 employee rule already exists and has existed for half a decade.
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Nov 1, 2019 17:46
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Thousands want breed of ‘hero’ dog in al-Baghdadi raid Cue thousands of dogs ending up in shelters or euthanized because assholes think they’ll look like ~oPeRaToRs~ showing up at the dog park with a grossly undertrained Belmal to go along with their Oakleys and Grunt Style shirts 
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Nov 1, 2019 17:47
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You don't build those caveats into a system like this unless you want it to fail. Unless you're going to address the independent contractor thing, actually define a small business beyond "Has less than 50 employees", and say "If you're employed by a company, you're employed by them, none of this 39.75 hours and you're still part-time", this plan is going to fail. It doesn't matter how many people Google or GM employ/convert over to independent contractors because the problems are structural and it's a tragedy of the commons situation: Eventually, companies will start gaming the system and paying less, which means that everybody else pays more until it breaks and we go back to where we are today if we're lucky. This entire plan is built to fail because it's first and foremost a "I'm not gonna raise your taxes!" plan. Coming up with numbers is a secondary concern, actually having something that would work wasn't in the equation. None of this is in any way better than a payroll system.
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pantslesswithwolves posted:Thousands want breed of ‘hero’ dog in al-Baghdadi raid Malligators are awfully niche breed and are not for the average owner. This will end badly like every thing trump touches.
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Nov 1, 2019 17:57
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People went and bought poo poo tons of Dalmatians because of a movie and it didn't go well because surprise surprise they're really active and perhaps not the best for families with kids. There are already too many people who are too stupid to have regular pets.
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pantslesswithwolves posted:Thousands want breed of ‘hero’ dog in al-Baghdadi raid this already happens with GSDs, so... yep. I guess the bright side is that if i want to adopt a belgian malinois soon they'll be available
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Nov 1, 2019 18:07
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"taxes are killing me" I scream as I pick up my $7000 operator dog in my $83k truck and drive to my McMansion oh yeah Im just some dumb middle manager in Ohio who cosplays as a rancher because im the most fragile motherfucker alive
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Nov 1, 2019 18:09
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redneck nazgul posted:This entire plan is built to fail because it's first and foremost a "I'm not gonna raise your taxes!" plan. yup, and we heard it before https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MW44jsYi0g
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Casimir Radon posted:People went and bought poo poo tons of Dalmatians because of a movie and it didn't go well because surprise surprise they're really active and perhaps not the best for families with kids. There are already too many people who are too stupid to have regular pets. Im so happy most of Kedah's extra energy gets spent in her spread eagle DEATH FROM ABOVE! leaps onto the bed a dozen times to get me moving after i wake up and she wants breakfast. That and knocking my phone out of my hamd when i take too long dealing with work email before getting up Stravag fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Nov 1, 2019 |
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Proud Christian Mom posted:"taxes are killing me" I scream as I pick up my $7000 operator dog in my $83k truck and drive to my McMansion oh yeah Im just some dumb middle manager in Ohio who cosplays as a rancher because im the most fragile motherfucker alive These people should be getting dogs as lazy as they actually are. A Malinois is waaaay too high strung for most people. Get a Tibetan terrier instead, they were bred for the sole purpose of keeping monks warm. Or better yet get a mutt from the pound.
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Nov 1, 2019 18:20
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The Deadspin staffers are doing "gently caress you, I quit" the right way. Heroes. https://twitter.com/tomgara/status/1190309837952946176?s=19 https://twitter.com/thechrisws/status/1190306629817909250?s=19
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pantslesswithwolves posted:Thousands want breed of ‘hero’ dog in al-Baghdadi raid at least they are SLIGHTLY less of a handful than a husky i guess but gently caress's sake
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Proud Christian Mom posted:"taxes are killing me" I scream as I pick up my $7000 operator dog in my $83k truck and drive to my McMansion oh yeah Im just some dumb middle manager in Ohio who cosplays as a rancher because im the most fragile motherfucker alive
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Slim Pickens posted:These people should be getting dogs as lazy as they actually are. A Malinois is waaaay too high strung for most people. Get a Tibetan terrier instead, they were bred for the sole purpose of keeping monks warm. Mals are not good pets, no. I mean, if you trail run a few times a week, don't have kids, and can dedicate endless hours of training to keeping one in line, sure. That said, if I had a grow op of my own to run, I'd have 3 mals to run the inside of the fence all night. They'd have a little guard dog shack with heat and AC. They learn quickly who to recognize and will eat the rear end in a top hat out of anyone they don't know or instructed to let alone. I met lots of mals when I worked at that dog supply warehouse. Awesome dogs.
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Huskies aren't that much of a handful if you aren't an idiot. Sled dogs can be pretty rammy, but they're perfectly good family dogs if you can handle them. Ours is turning 5 in December.
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Casimir Radon posted:Huskies aren't that much of a handful if you aren't an idiot Well we are talking about a dog choicebecause of tv/movies
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Nov 1, 2019 18:42
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There's a bunch of great Pyrenees dogs where I am and they seem awesome. A big fluffy dog that's kinda lazy and gentle
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redneck nazgul posted:You don't build those caveats into a system like this unless you want it to fail. Politicians don't campaign on policies they don't want (usually). Warren isn't proposing this because she somehow wants to cripple Medicare for All, she's clearly doing it because she wants to campaign on not raising taxes on the middle class. This is politics, not rocket science.
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Lets check in on the most effective Speaker the GOP has had in decades https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1190316225030737920
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I've owned labs for most of my life and if I ever get another dog, I'll probably get another lab. Love those big dopey bastards.
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Vasudus posted:I've owned labs for most of my life and if I ever get another dog, I'll probably get another lab. Love those big dopey bastards. https://twitter.com/TheGoldenRatio4/status/1190005819301085195 Edit: actual news, great that we're respected and feared in the Mideast https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1190031023058440192 Nick Soapdish fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Nov 1, 2019 |
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Politicians don't campaign on policies they don't want (usually). Warren isn't proposing this because she somehow wants to cripple Medicare for All, she's clearly doing it because she wants to campaign on not raising taxes on the middle class. This is politics, not rocket science. Well, hopefully she'll campaign in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania this time because this is sounding awfully familiar.
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Vasudus posted:I've owned labs for most of my life and if I ever get another dog, I'll probably get another lab. Love those big dopey bastards. Every Lab I've ever met has been a dopey gently caress. I love it. We have an extremely intelligent German Shepard/Beagle mix. She would have been an amazing working dog if people hadnt spent her first 7 months abusing the poo poo out of her. We also have a super dumb Pit mix. She is probably the 2nd dumbest dog I've ever met, but will love you to death. 11/10, mo' dogs, mo' betta.
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My wife and I are convinced that retrievers are actually one dog consciousness shared across multiple fluffy, dopey bodies. I’ve had a few labs and now have a golden. They are all the same personality with nearly identical habits.
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am i missing somethng, those are golden retrievers also i love luca more than anything in this world, everyone* should have a white shepherd *he's big and strong as gently caress, so be prepared for that
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Never buy purebreds. They're all medical timebombs waiting to go off anyway.
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Counterpoint
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Madurai posted:Never buy purebreds from a puppy mill. They're all medical timebombs waiting to go off anyway. Edited for accuracy. A good breeder does genetic testing and can provide the results to you. Also Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retrievers are the best. Edit: Mutts can be a host of genetic disorders too. Less frequently, but still.
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redneck nazgul posted:Well, hopefully she'll campaign in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania this time because this is sounding awfully familiar.  Warren has her issues, no doubt, and the things you criticized about her M4A policy have some merit behind them but acting like she's Clinton 2.0 is disingenuous as gently caress.Casimir Radon posted:Huskies aren't that much of a handful if you aren't an idiot. Sled dogs can be pretty rammy, but they're perfectly good family dogs if you can handle them. Ours is turning 5 in December. I grew up with huskies (or rather a family friend that watched me for long periods of time had a bunch that they mushed) and I love them. If you know what you're doing, they're great dogs. Still, my wife (she's a vet) refuses to let me get one unless we end up moving to Canada, and even then, it's not a given. They can be really hard to manage. They are great dogs but too many dipshits get them (and BelMals, German Shepards, etc) without bothering to understand the amount of work and training that you need to put into owning that breed of dog. I do think huskies are on the lower end of how much training and work you need to keep them, but it's still massively more work than a lab or a pittie.
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Border collies are stupid simple to train and are super affectionate, generally. Also great with kids. Just a mutt with mostly collie genes would be easy to train.
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